Hold on ladies im not getting this!!! Ive read that fenugreek acts like estrogen!! Ugggh forreal ppl should I just switch to pm????
Good morning Prettymama and Susan,
Fenugreek does not act like estrogen.
FG increases prolactin (for lactation), so it causes swelling, but real growth follows much later.
FG increases insulin (drops blood sugar and releases some testosterone from SHBG).
FG increases insulin sensitivity (for waist slimming).
If you use fenugreek, you have to combine it with something that increases estrogen:
Wild Yam works well if you've breastfed. It blocks the breakdown of estrogens to 16α-hydroxyestrone.
PM is phyto-estrogen.
Hops is both phyto-estrogen and anti-androgen. It's best if you are young, prone to acne, post-menopausal, or male.
If you don't use hops, you need an anti-androgen. For women, spearmint tea, peppermint tea, or stinging nettle root should be enough. SP is stronger, and more popular on the male NBE forum.
Susan,
I am copying Eve's program, but had to make some changes:
- replaced the soy by maca because thyroid trouble is common here in the sea dunes.
- not using the barley grass: I get too much anti-androgen from the hops already.
- I get folic acid from multis and dark green leafy vegetables, instead of from beremeal.
Goodmorning Isabelle,
Wow now that was explained nice..
How are your titas doing..
mine are holding at about 32 1/2, I am gald to be back on PM..makes me feel better
Hey Susan, good morning too
32 1/2 is nice! Keep at it!
Felt shoots twice today, both while active:
05:00 4,000 mg maca root powder in water
06:00 shoots during massage
07:00 low blood sugar: dizzy when I was getting up (is FG too much?)
83.5 kg (had 2 chocolate cornet ice creams yesterday night)
bust 103 cm, down 2 cm = almost 1"
under 97 cm
waist 95 cm
hip 101 cm
one whole meal sandwich (for blood sugar) with cottage cheese and lettuce
light housekeeping activity, office activity
09:00 4,000 mg FG in cottage cheese
office activity
12:00 shoots during 3.5 km (2 miles) walk in the dunes, so FG is enough
14:00 2 eggs
office activity
nap
16:00 no shoots during massage
18:00 beer yeast and vitamin C
19:00 salad ham, cheese, lettuce, tomatoe
21:00 hops in lemonade
Im thinkin pm works faster though..what do you girls think about me takin maca,pm,teas,massage?....or I could do maca fenugreek..wy.massage...i kinda like my first plan w pm...
Hi Susan,
Yes, the ice cream, hadn't thought about that. I have no ice cream today, see if blood sugar is better tomorrow morning.
Hi Prettymama,
Agree with Susan. A little while ago, many people were convinced PM shouldn't be mixed with anything...
Ok its official I think im gonna do pm and maca starting next week...and pm massage along w protien shakes
..im gonna try.it and by the end of september I will give yall my results
Well nb is out for me...w a job and my babies id have nooooo time..lol I massage well enough though
Congratulations Prettymama!
Good luck with the program