(13-04-2012, 09:55 PM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]FG can increase progesterone so much that it lowers LH. That's why I take just enough FG to prevent estrogen dominance symptoms.
Because of Testim, LH and FSH DO NOT regulate my Hormones .... on my typical dosage of Testin my LH is < .2 (that's less than .2) The bottom end of the normal range is 7 ...
My hormones are managed solely by the amount of Testim that I use. I can pretty much put my Total T anyplace that I want. Once I have the correct amount of T all of my other levels are within normal range.
ALSO .... there is no such thing as stalling for me ..... no LH changing as other hormone levels change ... so no stalling
Karen
You said before that you think β-Sitosterol might not be 5a-reductase inhibitor. Why?
I think you also said hops has 10-20 times as much xanthohumol as 8-pn. I guess that explains why you don't like it as a phytoestrogen topical. I do still wonder how much 8-pn it contains total. I still don't get why it caused swelling for me, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that it was coincidence. I only used it topically for 2 days because it smelled worse than any other topical I have ever tried.
Good morning Karen,
I agree you can't stall because of the testim, and you can get all the progesterone you need from fenugreek. Just make sure you have a plan, for when your body needs cortisol to heal an inflammation. You may need corticosteroid medication. As long as you have no inflammation, low cortisol is an advantage: if you can keep insulin low too, your waist will slim.
Morning Isabelle,
I'm trying to setup a regiment using Testim, Hops, FG and Licorice Tea.
1st thing in the AM I have my Coffee
and I have Hops mixed with water. Into the shower, part of which is shaving my chest which I find so "warming" when it feels nice and smooth. So it's about 30 minutes after my Hops with Water and I apply my Testim. This has allowed the Hops to partially get absorbed in prep for the Testim.
I'm still trying to work out how much Hops to have with water. I called Natures Answer (they make my Extract) and they told me that their extract has 2000 mg of Hops Strobile in 2 mL (56 drops) I've tried everything from 30 drops to 110 drops. Any suggestions on how much hops? The purpose for the water/hops is to block 5 alpha-reductase, reduce DHT, and set the stage for Free T to be converted to Estradiol instead of DHT.
OK ... I've been also taking Fenugreek capsules ... as much as three times a day. I started with 1 in the morning and 1 at night. They are 610 mg per capsule. I have had as many as 2 in the AM, 3 at lunch, and 2 at night ... total 7 = 4,270 mg. What's you thoughts on how much FG to take .... I don't want to take so much as to interfere with anything else going on.
Later in the day I've been mixing some puffed rice with vanilla greek yogurt and adding Hops to that mix. Purpose of that one is to add phtyo-estrogens. Do you think that "mix" is a decent one to force digestion? I like the taste allot. I guess on that one I could pretty much use as much Hops as I want until I get symptoms of ED ... I do feel slight headaches every once in awhile.
And then there the Licorice Tea ... no real plan for that ... I tend to use 2 bags so it's nice and strong ... the brand that I use DOES contain DGL so I believe it's the right one for NBE .... what are you thoughts on the use of Licorice and it's effects. I'm going to read over all of my past notes on Licorice and make sure I undertsand all that it does.
I'd welcome any comments/advice .....
And thanks .... Karen
Hi Karen,
I used to make hops tea from between 1,500 and 2,000 mg when I was 180 lbs, and it's proportional to body weight. You're getting enough when your skin is no longer oily.
I use 2,500 mg of fenugreek. Correct for body weight. You have enough when it stops the headaches. Because you can't stall, there is no upper limit. I used 10,000 on the day of a party for swelling.
The hops recipe looks fine, especially the yogurt. I aim for a constant dose of hops, 3,000 mg, and adjust all the other doses on the basis of symptoms. You can also start low and increase over time, as long as you increase the fenugreek proportionally.
Both fenugreek and licorice affect blood pressure. Because the fenugreek dose depends on the hops dose, you have only licorice left to steer your blood pressure. Licorice contains phyto-estrogens, phyto-progestins, anti-androgens, and it increases prolactin. Without testim, you'd stall on 4,000 mg.
In the table below, E is estrogens, P is progestins and progesterone, T is testosterone and DHT, and L is prolactin:
E P T L
+ 0 + 0 testim
0 0 - ? hops tea
0 + 0 + fenugreek
+ 0 - + hops digested
+ + - + licorice
You can work with a base load of testim and licorice, and adjust hops tea, fenugreek, and digested hops for androgen symptoms, estrogen dominance, and growth. Swelling will be resulting, unless you would find that the effects of fenugreek and licorice on prolactin are very different relative to their progestinic effects. In that case, you could steer swelling by adjusting licorice.
(14-04-2012, 03:03 PM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]The hops recipe looks fine, especially the yogurt. I aim for a constant dose of hops, 3,000 mg, and adjust all the other doses on the basis of symptoms.
Thanks Isabelle
Lets say I wanted to use Hops with Water as an Anti-androgen .... and again Hops with puffed rice/Yogurt to add phtyo-estrogens.
Here's what I did today ....
Got up at 4:30 AM and I made coffee.
5:13 AM … I took 84 drops of Hops in Water (3000 mg of Hops) ... Anti-androgen
5:36 AM … I took 1 FG Capsule (610 mg)
7:23 AM … 2 FG Capsules (1220 mg)
7:25 AM … 1 VERY Squeezed Tube of Testim
10:15 AM …. Dripped 85-90 drops of Hops on puffed rice and then mixed them with Yogurt (3000 mg of Hops again) ... phyto-estrogens
Karen
You're playing rough
Cell growth cycles and cell division are a matter of hours in some tissues. At those doses, make sure you eat three or four meals a day. You need a good multivitamin too, possibly several capsules during the day.
The timing between the anti-androgen and the testim looks OK. But by the afternoon, you may feel depressed, if the estrogens from aromatization of the testim come up at the same time as the digested hops. How are you feeling?
Hi .... I'm actually feeling fine.
No headaches, no depression, went for a 3 mile bicycle ride this afternoon .... too much on the Hops? Huh?
Karen
Adding this ... I do feel a little "warm and glowey"
What do you think? More like 56 drops with water (2000 mg) and later on in the day 56 drops with cereal/yogurt? (total of 4,000 for the day)
The FG OK?
K
