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(06-05-2012, 01:57 PM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]This looks like an endocrinology 101. I already asked my daughter if I could borrow her books at the end of the year

I try to post things that are for everyone that reads your program thread ... there's always so much info here that I try to add anytime that I can ... probably lots of times it's kinda elementary for you.

Karen

Good morning Karen,

I actually learned quite a bit, reading through it. I think I've been reading too many recent journal publications lately, and neglected the textbook stuff.

Anyway, I'm going out to get some exercise. Already did some gardening this morning, because of all the ice cream this week-end

I'm glad you found it helpfull .... I'll check for the DHT article when I get to work. If I have it I'll get it to you somehow.

Last night was an interesting night. Around 3:30 PM I opened up 5 FG Capsules (3050 mg) and dumped it into yogurt ... for something that smells so sweet it sure doesn't taste sweet

Around 5:30 PM I applied a 1/2 tube of Testim ... at 7:00 PM I drank 5,000 mg Hops in water.

Yesterday morning I only had 2,000 mg Hops in Water (remember that this is an alcohol based extract) Over the course of the day my boobs seemed to deflate so by late afternoon they were noticably smaller when I cupped my hands over each of them.

At 8:00 PM I hadn't yet felt anything from the FG in Yogurt ... I settled in for the night around 9:00 PM ... still nothing.

Well last night was filled with dreams ... I slept fairly well ... and woke up around 4:00 AM (my usual time time to get ready for work) Well when I woke up I felt warm and flushed. My boobs were fuller and SO SOFT and bouncy. When I cupped my hands over them they felt larger than they ever have before. I'm not thinking that any of this is permanent ... just swelling that would go away if I stopped. BUT they felt so nice. I admired myself in the mirror ... I'm sure by a womans standard they were "bumps" but to me that were "breasts"

So the question is what was the trigger .... or was it a combination. Did the FG in Yogurt take a long time to get into my system? (I would think it should have been faster than if I had taken capsules) or was it the Hops or was it the Testim/Followed by the Hops.

Here's what I am thinking .... I'm thinking the 5,000 mg of my Hops Extract is the right amount for me. Whether it's weaker than some other forms, or cause I'm big, not sure, BUT 5,000 mg seems to be the "line" to go over. I don't think it was the FG .... the effects of FG usually doesn't last that long with me ...

BUT I need to try some things to isolate it ... My plan is this ... eliminate everything except Hops and Testim. Take 5,000 mg of Hops extract each time .... once in the AM before work, and a second an hour or two after diner. Use maybe 1 1/2 tubes of Testim and split it into two applications, each one I would take along with the Hops in water. And let's see what happens. I know 10,000 mg of Hops seems like allot BUT I don't think it's the same as what you take AND I'm big.

Talk to you later, you Ice cream junkie

Karen

No wonder I couldn't find it .... it's the "Secrets About DHT" .... not "The Truth About DHT" .....

http://slawomirambroziak.pl/english/secrects_of_dht/

Karen

Thank you Karen,

It'll take me some time to read and digest it.

Just be careful with those amounts of hops. Because it's a hydroalcoholic extract, you're not likely to get depressed, but without any fenugreek, I can see the estrogen dominance symptoms coming.

(07-05-2012, 03:09 PM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you Karen,

It'll take me some time to read and digest it.

Just be careful with those amounts of hops. Because it's a hydroalcoholic extract, you're not likely to get depressed, but without any fenugreek, I can see the estrogen dominance symptoms coming.

I know ... I'm planning on watching for them and once I determine how much causes what I'll add FG in slowly

Here's what I am watching for

• Decreased sex drive
• Bloating (water retention)
• Breast swelling and tenderness
• Headaches
• Mood swings (most often irritability and depression)
• Weight and/or fat gain (particularly around the abdomen and hips)
• Hair loss
• Foggy thinking, memory loss
• Fatigue
• Trouble sleeping/insomnia

Karen

Hi Karen,

That looks like a good list.

I read the DHT secrets before, but it's a good thing to remind me of the one but last paragraph right now: it says isoflavones block aromatase. I'll have to be really careful to keep my soy dose low.

Isabelle,

Do you know how progesterone helps with Estrogen Dominance. Does it just raise progesterone levels higher so the ration between progesterone/estrogen is smaller OR does it add to the total sex hormones and start to lower LH which in effect will lower the estrogen levels .... OR maybe does both.

I'm already feeling some of the symptoms ... I'm going to go with Testim and 5,000 mg og Hops agai tonight and see what happens.

I'm suspecting the symptoms will get worse or at the least, continue ... so if I add progesterone and it's affect on LH is what's supposed to be what fixes it, then it obivously won't help me since LH doesn't regulate anything with me.

Karen

Hi Karen,

It just increases the ratio. I'd have to take a lot more fenugreek than hops before I notice down-regulation.

Isabelle,

Here's a tough one that maybe you can help me with.

I took a look at the "Steroidogenesis Chart" just to make sure what I thought was true was .... since my LH is close to "0" because of my Testim, and Testim contains "No Progesterone" I think it's safe to assume that my Progesterone Levels would be fairly low. As I block DHT and my Estradiol goes up, it won't take very much to get me to Estrogen Dominance since my Progesterone is low to begin with.

So what do I do? I could start off with some amount of progesterone ... I have some of John Lee's ProgesterAll Cream .... I could apply a specific amount every day to begin with ... or I could start with an amount of FG Capsules everyday to start? On top of that apply a Tube of Testim everyday ... and THEN increase Hops little by little until I see signs of ED? If that sounds logical then How much FG? Or How much Cream?

Also whats a few good signs to know when progesterone is at the right amount (figuring I start with one tube of Testim and add FG until I see the signs) Labido is always a tough one for me ... I guess I'm always looking to jump on some fine looking woman

Karen