(18-05-2012, 08:35 AM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]I just use teaspoons and tablespoons to measure the herbs, weigh a bag and make a note when I start it, and back-calculate the dose when it's empty. For seeds and powders, one teaspoon is a good starting dose. For hops, I use a tablespoon. For goat's rue, I have a 5 ml measuring spoon that came with the maca. It's the size of an egg spoon.
Each to their own, I know, but I still don't understand why you don't get a small, mg, electronic scale
I got one from e-bay for about 6 GBP. ( something like thsi one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200g-x-0-01g-LCD-Digital-Pocket-Weighing-Mini-Scales-Includes-Batteries-UK-/140755247624?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item20c5aaa208 It has a tare facility, so you just put a small plastic pot on it, push the tare button and add the herbs or whatever, and take them in your favourite way. That way you know what you are actually taking now, not approximately what you did take a couple of months ago.
Thank you Pansy Mae,
I had been looking for a scale like that, but I just couldn't seem to find any that would allow me to mix my evening porridge as fast as I make it now. For the way you use it though, all the herbs in one small plastic pot, the 200 g * 0.01 g would work, and that's both precise and fast. I wasn't thinking any further than using the same stoneware or porcelain bowls I use now. That would have required me to buy the 500 g * 0.1 g, which is still 10 % error on my flax and black seed doses.
Anyway, my first estimates are way more off than 10 % now. Today I finished my first bag of black seed. I was planning to use 1,000 mg. But in reality, I used 250-100=150 g in 13+30+19=62 days: that's 2,400 mg a day. The 100 g is what I gave to my daughter. I weighed it on an old 1,000 * 5 g mechanical diet scale, which isn't too precise either.
I'll keep the dose at 2,400 mg for now. That dose works. The first two weeks, I lost weight on it. After starting L-arginine, I put on some of the weight again, but the NBE growth I got in return is disproportionate. I'm switching to the more expensive black seed from
www.jacob-hooy.nl right now, but I'll go back later to the one I've used so far, from
http://www.amazingoriental.com/
to double check if there's a difference between the two.
(19-05-2012, 12:57 AM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]I'll keep the dose at 2,400 mg for now. That dose works. The first two weeks, I lost weight on it. After starting L-arginine, I put on some of the weight again, but the NBE growth I got in return is disproportionate. I'm switching to the more expensive black seed from www.jacob-hooy.nl right now, but I'll go back later to the one I've used so far, from http://www.amazingoriental.com/
to double check if there's a difference between the two.
Hi Isabelle,
How expensive is your Black Seed? I'm assuming that you are buying the actual seed itself?
I've been trying to find it in the UK and it mainly seems to be available in cold pressed oil form, here.
There are one or two capsule suppliers but the only loose seed supplier I can find wants £5 for 325g which at 2.4g a day is only a couple of weeks worth!
Also, am I correct in thinking that your L-arginine is intended to boost HGH? I'm currently trying GABA again for that effect - I wasn't convinced when I tried it before and I'm still not!
Hi Pansy Mae,
I buy the whole black seed, yes. They cost € 10.50 for 300 g at
www.jacob-hooy.nl or € 1.75 for 250 g at
http://www.amazingoriental.com/
The latter business wholesales to Chinese and Indian restaurants. Turkish shops have black seed too, because it's the black grains they put on Turkish bread. And the moroccan community here in the Netherlands know quite a lot about it, but the most asked question on their web fora is where to buy it. The problem is that it goes by a lot of confusing names. In Latin, it's nigella sativa or nigellae, and both of the above businesses label it as black cumin.
I don'n know about L-arginine yet. The conclusion in idreamofD's thread was that it may do other things on top of increasing HGH, but it works. It increases nitric oxide, which inpires play, rather than release. So I do a lot more massage these days. I'm also motivated to take it correctly, in large doses (2 * 5 g) far away from meals. It increases my appetite, and started carb cravings. Since I've been using it, I also have a tendency to use more maca, goat's rue, and hops.
The measurements I get from the combination of black seed and L-arginine are more from waist slimming than from bigger breasts. My band size decreased, and my waist sits higher up near my ribs, so my ribcage looks more V-shaped than it used to be. That adds to the difference between my bust and underbust sizes.
I just got my Menohops with Soy. Here's what appears on the label
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INGREDIENTS PER CAPSULE
Hops extract (Humulus lupulus) standardized at hopein 200 mg
8-prenylnaringenin 200 μg
Soy extract (Glycine max) standardized at isoflavones 50 mg
soy isoflavones 20 mg
Excipients: dicalcium phosphate, gelatin, magnesium stearate, silicium
dioxide, coloring capsule: iron oxide and titanium dioxide
Packaging
90 capsules
Recommended use
1 capsule daily or as recommended
Precaution
Must not be used in case of pregnancy or history of hormone dependant cancers.
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For those that may be wondering here are links to the Excipients (binders or carriers)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicalcium_phosphate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_stearate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_dioxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_oxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide
I took 1 capsule a little while ago. I thinking of taking 1 per day for a week. After the first week going to 1 Capsule plus 2,000 - 3,000 mg of Hops extract in Yogurt ... and seeing if any signs are different than before. I had stopped every thing except Testim for the past 5 days.
We'll see ...
Karen
Thank you karen,
Good luck with the Menohop. Be careful to avoid eating too much other soy foods with it. The USDA
http://afrsweb.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Pla...lav_R2.pdf
lists 200 mg isoflavones in 100 g soy meal. So one Menohop capsule is equivalent to 10 g soy meal. Eve M used 1 g.
(19-05-2012, 08:26 PM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]Be careful to avoid eating too much other soy foods with it. The USDA
lists 200 mg isoflavones in 100 g soy meal. So one Menohop capsule is equivalent to 10 g soy meal. Eve M used 1 g.
Hi Isabelle,
Could you explain in a little more detail. It surely wouldn't be uncommon for someone to consume 10 g of soy meal (approx 1/3 of ounce) per day. Is your concern "stalling" or something else?
Karen
Good morning karen,
One of my concerns is stalling, yes, so that won't be a problem for you. Another is the breakdown of isoflavones in soy: it's mainly genistein and daidzein. Daidzein becomes equol if you have the right intestinal bacteria, so that's useful in NBE. I never read genistein helps, and some on the forum think it's counter-productive. I'd have to read some scientific work about the effect of pure genistein. 5-10 % of total isoflavones in soy is glycitein, which is also a weak phyto-estrogen.
Sellers of an expensive red clover supplement, Promensil, claim that the lack of biochanin A and formononetin in soy make it less effective than red clover in relieving menopause symptoms. I'd have to read up on the NBE effect of that too. Red clover is not necessarily a better NBE supplement for everybody: it's 50/50 phyto-estrogens and phyto-progestins. So in my case, I could stall on the phyto-progestins while I still need to maximize estrogens to grow longer milk ducts. You, on the other hand, could just use the phyto-progestins to grow glands and alveoli at the same time.
Finally, soy was one of the first NBE foods I experimented with ten years ago. It's great for smooth and shiny skin, but other than a little softening of the areola, it didn't do much in NBE. I must admit that this was before I learned about the importance of the right dose and of patience, so I may have used it in the wrong way, or not long enough.
Isabelle,
Thank you so much for your reply!
I think that I am going to add Goat's rue to my routine...Can I take it the whole cycle???
I found 1 seller on Ebay that sell's it in 1 pound....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251027729773
or should I start with 2oz?
http://global.ebay.com/Goats-Rue-2oz-pow...39080/item
I also wanted to ask you....
I am now taking SP,WY and FG - Each 575mg * 3 times a day = 1,725 per day.
I am also drinking GreenBush bust tea 2 bags * 3 times a day.
I massage with GreenBush's Fenugreek extract before going to bed.
I am now on my 3rd day of my cycle and I am taking the herbs since I started my 2nd part of my cycle last month. (so it's about 15 days now)
I don't have any growing pains or anything....should I ramp up my intake of the herbs? to 575*4 times a day = 2,300????
Thanks for your help!!!!
(20-05-2012, 10:30 AM)Isabelle Wrote: [ -> ]Good morning karen,
One of my concerns is stalling, yes, so that won't be a problem for you. Another is the breakdown of isoflavones in soy: it's mainly genistein and daidzein. Daidzein becomes equol if you have the right intestinal bacteria, so that's useful in NBE. I never read genistein helps, and some on the forum think it's counter-productive. I'd have to read some scientific work about the effect of pure genistein. 5-10 % of total isoflavones in soy is glycitein, which is also a weak phyto-estrogen.
Sellers of an expensive red clover supplement, Promensil, claim that the lack of biochanin A and formononetin in soy make it less effective than red clover in relieving menopause symptoms. I'd have to read up on the NBE effect of that too. Red clover is not necessarily a better NBE supplement for everybody: it's 50/50 phyto-estrogens and phyto-progestins. So in my case, I could stall on the phyto-progestins while I still need to maximize estrogens to grow longer milk ducts. You, on the other hand, could just use the phyto-progestins to grow glands and alveoli at the same time.
Finally, soy was one of the first NBE foods I experimented with ten years ago. It's great for smooth and shiny skin, but other than a little softening of the areola, it didn't do much in NBE. I must admit that this was before I learned about the importance of the right dose and of patience, so I may have used it in the wrong way, or not long enough.
Thank you Isabelle,
Exactly what I needed. Sometimes I'm not sure of the reasons and knowing them helps me understand and build some knowledge of my own .... also gives me some help in investigating further ...
Like I said ... Thanks
Karen