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(01-09-2015, 09:42 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2015, 04:16 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2015, 03:29 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]

(31-08-2015, 10:40 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting this..about P.

''Your breasts needs progesterone as well as estrogen to grow. It is progesterone that activates estrogen receptors so that estrogen can bind to them. Progesterone is also the hormone responsible for building up fat stores in the breast.''

Absolutely true, the combined therapy is like a bio-directional response, for instance free T (the bio-active T) decreases by two-fold by the combined E and progesterone.

The effect of combined oral contraception on testosterone levels in healthy women: a systematic review and meta-analysis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24082040

The current literature review and meta-analysis demonstrates that COCs decrease circulating levels of total T and free T and increase SBHG concentrations. Due to the SHBG increase, free T levels decrease twice as much as total T. The estrogen dose and progestin type of the COC do not influence the decline of total and free T, but both affect SHBG. The clinical implications of suppressed androgen levels during COC use remain to be elucidated.

Another similar study states a higher result from staggering dosages (orally). Imo this suggests a cyclic approach to lower androgens. Which btw androstenedione is the androgen culprit in GG's........not DHT.

contraceptives containing ethinylestradiol and gestodene or norgestimate upon androgen parameters and serum binding proteins.

Abstract
The effect of a triphasic oral contraceptive containing ethinylestradiol and gestodene (EE/GSD) on various serum hormonal parameters was compared with that of a monophasic formulation containing 35 micrograms ethinylestradiol and 250 micrograms norgestimate (EE/NGM). Blood samples were collected from 46 women on days 2, 11, and 21 of the preceding control cycle and of the third, sixth and twelfth treatment cycle. There was no significant difference in the influence on any hormonal parameter between both formulations. Both EE/GSD and EE/NGM caused a time-dependent suppression of serum dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate (DHEA-S) by 20-30% (p < 0.01) and a reduction of 5 alpha-androstane-3 alpha, 17 beta-diol glucuronide by 50-60% (p < 0.01) during each treatment cycle, while androstenedione levels were reduced by 25% (p < 0.01). There was also a significant decrease in the levels of total testosterone by 30-35% (p < 0.01) and free testosterone by 60% (p < 0.01), while sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) was increased by 200-240% on days 11 and 21 (p < 0.01). During the pill-free interval the SHBG levels were reduced to a certain degree but remained elevated by 100% as compared to the pretreatment values. The serum levels of corticosteroid-binding globulin (CBG) which is known to be influenced only by the estrogenic component of combination pills, increased significantly by 170% (p < 0.01) during each treatment cycle. During the pill-free interval of 7 days, the CBG levels decreased but were still elevated by 90-100% as compared to the control cycle. Similarly, the serum levels of cortisol were significantly elevated by 110-140% (p < 0.01) during treatment with both preparations. The results demonstrate a profound suppression of androgen levels and peripheral androgen metabolism.

I think we just busted the freaking door wide open.

Thank you Lotus, thats some great additional info. Ha ha that door better be open and stays open..then all we have to do is walk out of there with our bigger boobs:p

Are you btw aware of the essential(but rare)mineral Boron/borium? It can help us a lot, its an good/if not essential add to vit D. Helpful for calcium/magnesium metabolism and also plays a role in our hormonal housekeeping, namely testosteron and estrogen.(also helps body with forming estrogen)
I started taking it for my jaw, but appaerently it has many more benefits as well for NBE.

Hi Hannah,

Yes, I do remember boron, Peggy has a thread with great info on boron/borax. This idea about using a triphasic phase approach would tie in to the 21 day cycle plan.

I'm not suggesting using (pharma) synthetics on this approach, it would involve a couple nbe staples (coconut oil/green tea) and a few other things. No crazy ideas of 4x the recommended amount, we don't need anyone to develop hypoglycemic shock or develop a toxic liver.


Thanks Lotus, good thread of Peggy..here it is:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21183

No you are totally right about the toxic liver, this round I took PM only for 6 days because I felt it was enough(some stool symptoms, fluor yellow pee.-just to much supplements) So took a break from some of them.

I am still not sure how to divide my program since my menstrual cycle became very unpredictable after taking licorice root tea/spearmint. Its very hard to decide which days if your cycle length differs from 21-28 days.
But its def triphasical!

I understand,

I'm concerned about a low thyroid person taking something like fenugreek in high amounts, I don't give a shit what anybody says, it's a recipe for disaster and puts them in a hypoglycemic state. And oh btw, what suppresses the thyroid?, phytoestrogens.

I think body temp and pulse rate will be keys to growing boobs in the future. breast growth from edema or water gain (swelling) isn't healthy at all (and no, I'm not talking about pumping). Maybe it's a few tweaks to the PM dose, for instance: lowering PM and adding low dose vitex and with 2-3 tabspoons of Coconut oil (which C.O. will help raise the thyroid level lowered by PM).

(02-09-2015, 04:59 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]I understand,

I'm concerned about a low thyroid person taking something like fenugreek in high amounts, I don't give a shit what anybody says, it's a recipe for disaster and puts them in a hypoglycemic state. And oh btw, what suppresses the thyroid?, phytoestrogens.

I think body temp and pulse rate will be keys to growing boobs in the future. breast growth from edema or water gain (swelling) isn't healthy at all (and no, I'm not talking about pumping). Maybe it's a few tweaks to the PM dose, for instance: lowering PM and adding low dose vitex and with 2-3 tabspoons of Coconut oil (which C.O. will help raise the thyroid level lowered by PM).

Done.

(02-09-2015, 04:59 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]I understand,

I'm concerned about a low thyroid person taking something like fenugreek in high amounts, I don't give a shit what anybody says, it's a recipe for disaster and puts them in a hypoglycemic state. And oh btw, what suppresses the thyroid?, phytoestrogens.

I think body temp and pulse rate will be keys to growing boobs in the future. breast growth from edema or water gain (swelling) isn't healthy at all (and no, I'm not talking about pumping). Maybe it's a few tweaks to the PM dose, for instance: lowering PM and adding low dose vitex and with 2-3 tabspoons of Coconut oil (which C.O. will help raise the thyroid level lowered by PM).

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Oh fuck man, I did not knew that about phytoestrogens and suspressing the thyroid!!
Thanks you so much for the advice Lotus, I'm glad I'm already taking C.O!


My dose is 600mg but not for all days, I often just take 300mg. I think I'm on the safe side with that though I felt sudden clumsy and sweaty couple of days ago, I was carrying my son and it happened in minutes, I got white spots before my eyes, I quickly placed my son on the couch got rid of my pants!!!! Because I became super sweaty, then I threw up. Got it ice cold, dressed myself again and everything was back to normal. This all happened in about 10 minutes..
But after reading the symptoms of Hypoglycemia, I think this could've been it I have to mention that I was just awake for an hour or so, I didnot eat yet and neither took any supplements that day. And I just had my first round with about 6 days of PM. And had a good cleanse bout 1-2 months ago.
At that moment I thought some other things could've been the cause as well..It does not neccesarily have to be Hypoglycemia ofcourse. But I keep it in mind and I think Ill lower the PM to 300mg.

Here signs and symptoms of Hypoglycemia:

Shakiness, anxiety, nervousness
Palpitations, tachycardia
Sweating, feeling of warmth (sympathetic muscarinic rather than adrenergic)
Pallor, coldness, clamminess
Dilated pupils (mydriasis)
Hunger, borborygmus
Nausea, vomiting, abdominal discomfort
Headache
Central nervous system[edit]
Abnormal thinking, impaired judgment
Nonspecific dysphoria, moodiness, depression, crying, exaggerated concerns
Feeling of numbness, pins and needles (paresthesia)
Negativism, irritability, belligerence, combativeness, rage
Personality change, emotional lability
Fatigue, weakness, apathy, lethargy, daydreaming, sleep
Confusion, memory loss, lightheadedness or dizziness, delirium
Staring, glassy look, blurred vision, double vision
Flashes of light in the field of vision
Automatic behavior, also known as automatism
Difficulty speaking, slurred speech
Ataxia, incoordination, sometimes mistaken for drunkenness
Focal or general motor deficit, paralysis, hemiparesis
Headache
Stupor, coma, abnormal breathing
Generalized or focal seizures

Hannah, very likely PM did that. POM

Hannah,

Take a look see at the amount of unsaturated fats in your plan. Safflower oil is the worst thing for NBE, no nutrients and too much tryglecersides. Omega 6's can cause blood vessel constriction (migraines too). And if the thyroid is low, estrogens won't get processed efficiently because of the increased omega 6's. In other words, have a higher omega 3 ratio, it helps to fight off inflammation. CO will help with the free radical's, green tea too.

(02-09-2015, 04:15 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-09-2015, 04:59 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]I understand,

I'm concerned about a low thyroid person taking something like fenugreek in high amounts, I don't give a shit what anybody says, it's a recipe for disaster and puts them in a hypoglycemic state. And oh btw, what suppresses the thyroid?, phytoestrogens.

I think body temp and pulse rate will be keys to growing boobs in the future. breast growth from edema or water gain (swelling) isn't healthy at all (and no, I'm not talking about pumping). Maybe it's a few tweaks to the PM dose, for instance: lowering PM and adding low dose vitex and with 2-3 tabspoons of Coconut oil (which C.O. will help raise the thyroid level lowered by PM).

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Oh fuck man, I did not knew that about phytoestrogens and suspressing the thyroid!!
Thanks you so much for the advice Lotus, I'm glad I'm already taking C.O!


My dose is 600mg but not for all days, I often just take 300mg. I think I'm on the safe side with that though I felt sudden clumsy and sweaty couple of days ago, I was carrying my son and it happened in minutes, I got white spots before my eyes, I quickly placed my son on the couch got rid of my pants!!!! Because I became super sweaty, then I threw up. Got it ice cold, dressed myself again and everything was back to normal. This all happened in about 10 minutes..
But after reading the symptoms of Hypoglycemia, I think this could've been it I have to mention that I was just awake for an hour or so, I didnot eat yet and neither took any supplements that day. And I just had my first round with about 6 days of PM. And had a good cleanse bout 1-2 months ago.
At that moment I thought some other things could've been the cause as well..It does not neccesarily have to be Hypoglycemia ofcourse. But I keep it in mind and I think Ill lower the PM to 300mg.

Here signs and symptoms of Hypoglycemia:

Shakiness, anxiety, nervousness
Palpitations, tachycardia
Sweating, feeling of warmth (sympathetic muscarinic rather than adrenergic)
Pallor, coldness, clamminess
Dilated pupils (mydriasis)
Hunger, borborygmus
Nausea, vomiting, abdominal discomfort
Headache
Central nervous system[edit]
Abnormal thinking, impaired judgment
Nonspecific dysphoria, moodiness, depression, crying, exaggerated concerns
Feeling of numbness, pins and needles (paresthesia)
Negativism, irritability, belligerence, combativeness, rage
Personality change, emotional lability
Fatigue, weakness, apathy, lethargy, daydreaming, sleep
Confusion, memory loss, lightheadedness or dizziness, delirium
Staring, glassy look, blurred vision, double vision
Flashes of light in the field of vision
Automatic behavior, also known as automatism
Difficulty speaking, slurred speech
Ataxia, incoordination, sometimes mistaken for drunkenness
Focal or general motor deficit, paralysis, hemiparesis
Headache
Stupor, coma, abnormal breathing
Generalized or focal seizures

Shit be careful with these bloody evil herbs. Remember what hapened to me, and i kept thinking, "what if i had been drving my girl at the time..."

(02-09-2015, 04:31 PM)pom19 Wrote: [ -> ]Hannah, very likely PM did that. POM

Thanks Pom, I really hope not since the big 3 to 6month stash I bought of it. I'll have to see if this round goes better. But I got kind of lost in my program on about when since my cycle is so irregular.

(02-09-2015, 06:14 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]Hannah,

Take a look see at the amount of unsaturated fats in your plan. Safflower oil is the worst thing for NBE, no nutrients and too much tryglecersides. Omega 6's can cause blood vessel constriction (migraines too). And if the thyroid is low, estrogens won't get processed efficiently because of the increased omega 6's. In other words, have a higher omega 3 ratio, it helps to fight off inflammation. CO will help with the free radical's, green tea too.

Okay good info mate, well I have to purchase a new oil then. I eat well(nuts and fish once a week) so get some O3's from that. But think I'm pretty high on the O6 intake too

Fruits help with free radicals as well right..

Oh and I btw dont use safflower oil..I mentioned it once but I meant sunflower oil. Thats a good oil too right?

(02-09-2015, 07:48 PM)ELLACRAIG Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-09-2015, 04:15 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-09-2015, 04:59 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]I understand,

I'm concerned about a low thyroid person taking something like fenugreek in high amounts, I don't give a shit what anybody says, it's a recipe for disaster and puts them in a hypoglycemic state. And oh btw, what suppresses the thyroid?, phytoestrogens.

I think body temp and pulse rate will be keys to growing boobs in the future. breast growth from edema or water gain (swelling) isn't healthy at all (and no, I'm not talking about pumping). Maybe it's a few tweaks to the PM dose, for instance: lowering PM and adding low dose vitex and with 2-3 tabspoons of Coconut oil (which C.O. will help raise the thyroid level lowered by PM).

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Oh fuck man, I did not knew that about phytoestrogens and suspressing the thyroid!!
Thanks you so much for the advice Lotus, I'm glad I'm already taking C.O!


My dose is 600mg but not for all days, I often just take 300mg. I think I'm on the safe side with that though I felt sudden clumsy and sweaty couple of days ago, I was carrying my son and it happened in minutes, I got white spots before my eyes, I quickly placed my son on the couch got rid of my pants!!!! Because I became super sweaty, then I threw up. Got it ice cold, dressed myself again and everything was back to normal. This all happened in about 10 minutes..
But after reading the symptoms of Hypoglycemia, I think this could've been it I have to mention that I was just awake for an hour or so, I didnot eat yet and neither took any supplements that day. And I just had my first round with about 6 days of PM. And had a good cleanse bout 1-2 months ago.
At that moment I thought some other things could've been the cause as well..It does not neccesarily have to be Hypoglycemia ofcourse. But I keep it in mind and I think Ill lower the PM to 300mg.

Here signs and symptoms of Hypoglycemia:

Shakiness, anxiety, nervousness
Palpitations, tachycardia
Sweating, feeling of warmth (sympathetic muscarinic rather than adrenergic)
Pallor, coldness, clamminess
Dilated pupils (mydriasis)
Hunger, borborygmus
Nausea, vomiting, abdominal discomfort
Headache
Central nervous system[edit]
Abnormal thinking, impaired judgment
Nonspecific dysphoria, moodiness, depression, crying, exaggerated concerns
Feeling of numbness, pins and needles (paresthesia)
Negativism, irritability, belligerence, combativeness, rage
Personality change, emotional lability
Fatigue, weakness, apathy, lethargy, daydreaming, sleep
Confusion, memory loss, lightheadedness or dizziness, delirium
Staring, glassy look, blurred vision, double vision
Flashes of light in the field of vision
Automatic behavior, also known as automatism
Difficulty speaking, slurred speech
Ataxia, incoordination, sometimes mistaken for drunkenness
Focal or general motor deficit, paralysis, hemiparesis
Headache
Stupor, coma, abnormal breathing
Generalized or focal seizures

Shit be careful with these bloody evil herbs. Remember what hapened to me, and i kept thinking, "what if i had been drving my girl at the time..."

Yes, so dangerous! I was walking on the stairs with my son when the white spots came before my eyes. But it could've been just low blood sugar not beeing caused by the herbs. My hubby past away a while ago after eating out(in a bad restaurant) he had a scratch on his face because he fel with his face against a brick wall The white wall still looks dirty from it ha ha.