(04-10-2015, 10:42 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 09:41 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:49 AM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:44 AM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2015, 04:01 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Pom and Ella. I'm very happy too!!
Hope I can keep on gaining.
Missb:
Thanks hun<3 I'm very happy with my gainings though its very little in comparison to my end goal. I saw your pics btw and you look GREAT!!
Can you tell me what you eat on one day as example for me? I follow a very healthy diet and read you dont.. maybe I should follow your diet for a while I can use some extra curves!
Pc is treating me quite alright..though it fooled my body previous cycle since it lenghthened my cycle with 14 DAYS!!!!! So me thought I was pregnant after 38 days no menstruation where as I normally get it every 24-28 days..
That made me think of using pc earlier in my cycle instead of only luteal.
So I'll have to wait out the outcome this round while using it from day 7 to day ...? ? 
Do you still cycle it? without getting messed up?
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23128&pid=161071#pid161071
wow o_O 14 days! that is intense.. did you just start it? your body could just be getting used to it.. last month I thought I was preggo too, my period was 7 days late :O I think it might have been PC but it didnt happen this month.. so i'm not sure if its from PC..
I did the same thing, I used to a bit earlier and I used a bit more, I think that is why this month my boobs were huge! give it a try, see how it works for you-- don't do it too early though, you still want it to follow your cycle. I still cycle my PC.. but it makes my boobies so nice I was wondering it if it would be good to use all month haha but ella said that wouldnt be a good idea because it would mess up my cycle. I think she is right, but idk what to do :/ I need/want more progestrone! lol
Yes I'm no expert on pc cream but a lady whos been selling it for many years and lots of training said to take last part of your cycle.
I'm almost tempted to try a teeny bit again, the shortness of breath thing during the night happens randomly, I cant really attribute it to pc where I thought that was the culprit.
I WONDER though what would pc cream do if you are already low in ESTROGEN? Would it push it further down or more raise/balance the existing...
Thats a question I have with every herb...But I just dont know the anwer on it.. and the article doesnt really gives us a steady answer on it. I read the whole article you posted.. Its a good article though sometimes reading makes me confused even more..thats a bit what the article did to me..Though it again says how important healthy foods(vitamin supplements) and healthy fatty acids are for a good natural hormonal system.
And I wanted to remind you about boron/borium for natural estrogen production.. And vitamin D ofcourse.
I think if we always keep such things like foods and vitamins in our minds and dont overdo it with the herbs-pc cream that we do best we can to support our natural hormones and make them least likely to get fucked up..
Unfortunately nothing is set in stone
I btw was just massaging my breasts with coconutoil when suddenly some hard ''lump'' or milkcanal occured and it was so freaking painful it felt pinching.
Luckily it is gone now but it really got me scared.
Thats why i(totally dif subject) dont use fenugreek oil and such on my breasts, never did. But now even more a no go.
Yet the article confuses me too BUT I think the take away message was balance of e and p. Not to isolate and try raise one or the other on its own... But yeh I got that too 're importance of vitamens and food based building blocks of hormones. Il be honest I'm SHIT scared of e Dom after reading that..
You explained that well bout the message! And scary indeed bout e-dom, but when you'l become e-dom due to herbs you just do a detox..But if you are natural high in e you might have a problem indeed! Makes me wonder if there's something like an anti-estrogen..
Okay not scary anymore, there are anti-estrogens available:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=anti+estrogen&oq=anti+estrogen&aqs=chrome..69i57.4041j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
(04-10-2015, 11:28 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 10:42 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 09:41 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:49 AM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:44 AM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23128&pid=161071#pid161071
wow o_O 14 days! that is intense.. did you just start it? your body could just be getting used to it.. last month I thought I was preggo too, my period was 7 days late :O I think it might have been PC but it didnt happen this month.. so i'm not sure if its from PC..
I did the same thing, I used to a bit earlier and I used a bit more, I think that is why this month my boobs were huge! give it a try, see how it works for you-- don't do it too early though, you still want it to follow your cycle. I still cycle my PC.. but it makes my boobies so nice I was wondering it if it would be good to use all month haha but ella said that wouldnt be a good idea because it would mess up my cycle. I think she is right, but idk what to do :/ I need/want more progestrone! lol
Yes I'm no expert on pc cream but a lady whos been selling it for many years and lots of training said to take last part of your cycle.
I'm almost tempted to try a teeny bit again, the shortness of breath thing during the night happens randomly, I cant really attribute it to pc where I thought that was the culprit.
I WONDER though what would pc cream do if you are already low in ESTROGEN? Would it push it further down or more raise/balance the existing...
Thats a question I have with every herb...But I just dont know the anwer on it.. and the article doesnt really gives us a steady answer on it. I read the whole article you posted.. Its a good article though sometimes reading makes me confused even more..thats a bit what the article did to me..Though it again says how important healthy foods(vitamin supplements) and healthy fatty acids are for a good natural hormonal system.
And I wanted to remind you about boron/borium for natural estrogen production.. And vitamin D ofcourse.
I think if we always keep such things like foods and vitamins in our minds and dont overdo it with the herbs-pc cream that we do best we can to support our natural hormones and make them least likely to get fucked up..
Unfortunately nothing is set in stone
I btw was just massaging my breasts with coconutoil when suddenly some hard ''lump'' or milkcanal occured and it was so freaking painful it felt pinching.
Luckily it is gone now but it really got me scared.
Thats why i(totally dif subject) dont use fenugreek oil and such on my breasts, never did. But now even more a no go.
Yet the article confuses me too BUT I think the take away message was balance of e and p. Not to isolate and try raise one or the other on its own... But yeh I got that too 're importance of vitamens and food based building blocks of hormones. Il be honest I'm SHIT scared of e Dom after reading that..
You explained that well bout the message! And scary indeed bout e-dom, but when you'l become e-dom due to herbs you just do a detox..But if you are natural high in e you might have a problem indeed! Makes me wonder if there's something like an anti-estrogen..
Okay not scary anymore, there are anti-estrogens available: https://www.google.nl/search?q=anti+estrogen&oq=anti+estrogen&aqs=chrome..69i57.4041j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
I hear you 're the anti estrogens but doesn't this dude talk about the balance of them both.. I'm afraid if you reduce say estrogen then progesterone levels might stay the same ? It's like do we address it in a way where we use an adaptogen ?? Like the adatogen will lower and raise in a way that's more natural?
Tell you what I have to go up to the health shop this week and a naturopath works there so I'l ask what works best to get a natural balance instead of raising or lowering one of the two. That's why I wonder why some advise against pc cream. Cause it builds up in the body which isn't good either.
FFS why aren't bloody hormone tests cheaper grrrr
(05-10-2015, 12:24 AM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 11:28 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 10:42 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 09:41 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:49 AM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ]Yes I'm no expert on pc cream but a lady whos been selling it for many years and lots of training said to take last part of your cycle.
I'm almost tempted to try a teeny bit again, the shortness of breath thing during the night happens randomly, I cant really attribute it to pc where I thought that was the culprit.
I WONDER though what would pc cream do if you are already low in ESTROGEN? Would it push it further down or more raise/balance the existing...
Thats a question I have with every herb...But I just dont know the anwer on it.. and the article doesnt really gives us a steady answer on it. I read the whole article you posted.. Its a good article though sometimes reading makes me confused even more..thats a bit what the article did to me..Though it again says how important healthy foods(vitamin supplements) and healthy fatty acids are for a good natural hormonal system.
And I wanted to remind you about boron/borium for natural estrogen production.. And vitamin D ofcourse.
I think if we always keep such things like foods and vitamins in our minds and dont overdo it with the herbs-pc cream that we do best we can to support our natural hormones and make them least likely to get fucked up..
Unfortunately nothing is set in stone
I btw was just massaging my breasts with coconutoil when suddenly some hard ''lump'' or milkcanal occured and it was so freaking painful it felt pinching.
Luckily it is gone now but it really got me scared.
Thats why i(totally dif subject) dont use fenugreek oil and such on my breasts, never did. But now even more a no go.
Yet the article confuses me too BUT I think the take away message was balance of e and p. Not to isolate and try raise one or the other on its own... But yeh I got that too 're importance of vitamens and food based building blocks of hormones. Il be honest I'm SHIT scared of e Dom after reading that..
You explained that well bout the message! And scary indeed bout e-dom, but when you'l become e-dom due to herbs you just do a detox..But if you are natural high in e you might have a problem indeed! Makes me wonder if there's something like an anti-estrogen..
Okay not scary anymore, there are anti-estrogens available: https://www.google.nl/search?q=anti+estrogen&oq=anti+estrogen&aqs=chrome..69i57.4041j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
I hear you 're the anti estrogens but doesn't this dude talk about the balance of them both.. I'm afraid if you reduce say estrogen then progesterone levels might stay the same ? It's like do we address it in a way where we use an adaptogen ?? Like the adatogen will lower and raise in a way that's more natural?
Tell you what I have to go up to the health shop this week and a naturopath works there so I'l ask what works best to get a natural balance instead of raising or lowering one of the two. That's why I wonder why some advise against pc cream. Cause it builds up in the body which isn't good either.
FFS why aren't bloody hormone tests cheaper grrrr
Yeh ask them, I'd like to know what they would advise for that..I also think when you raise one that maybe the other hormones react on it by raising theirselves.. But on the other hand if that would happen in our bodies then taking bcp wouldnt work. So I think that raising one hormone will just raise one hormone in general. Maybe there takes more conversion place..But I think if you do yourself a program your body cant keep up making more estrogen because you take progesterone in luteal..
It doesnt sound logical. I think taking pc can make you more balanced if you use it right...
But I am personally more afraid that taking for example an phytoestyrogen will suspress you natural E and that PC cream will suspress natural P..
Hear ya bout the hormone tests.. they should be just as easy as an pregnancy test..especially for us. i would make nbe lots easier
(04-10-2015, 09:30 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:44 AM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2015, 04:01 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Pom and Ella. I'm very happy too!! Hope I can keep on gaining.
Missb:
Thanks hun<3 I'm very happy with my gainings though its very little in comparison to my end goal. I saw your pics btw and you look GREAT!! Can you tell me what you eat on one day as example for me? I follow a very healthy diet and read you dont.. maybe I should follow your diet for a while I can use some extra curves!
Pc is treating me quite alright..though it fooled my body previous cycle since it lenghthened my cycle with 14 DAYS!!!!! So me thought I was pregnant after 38 days no menstruation where as I normally get it every 24-28 days..
That made me think of using pc earlier in my cycle instead of only luteal.
So I'll have to wait out the outcome this round while using it from day 7 to day ...? ?
Do you still cycle it? without getting messed up?
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23128&pid=161071#pid161071
wow o_O 14 days! that is intense.. did you just start it? your body could just be getting used to it.. last month I thought I was preggo too, my period was 7 days late :O I think it might have been PC but it didnt happen this month.. so i'm not sure if its from PC..
I did the same thing, I used to a bit earlier and I used a bit more, I think that is why this month my boobs were huge! give it a try, see how it works for you-- don't do it too early though, you still want it to follow your cycle. I still cycle my PC.. but it makes my boobies so nice I was wondering it if it would be good to use all month haha but ella said that wouldnt be a good idea because it would mess up my cycle. I think she is right, but idk what to do :/ I need/want more progestrone! lol
Yes it was extremely late, therefore I provided some information in my thread about PC cream is beeing used for people with a short luteal phase(when you have a short luteal it is likely that its hard to get pregnant etc.) But what I mean to say is that PC is known for lengthening luteal phases.
It was my first round with PC so maybe it takes some habituation, I'll update about this month. Though this month I'm using it differently, last month I did pc for day 14-21(stopped 3 days before possible menses but only got menses on day 38
)
And this round I've already started on day 9(straight after my ovulation) till 14 days after.
Lol, I have great swelling too.,.straight after applying it! Its really hard to hold yourself in with it after seeing such nice results, I'd almostly rather like to massage with it instead of taking a pea sized dot! Haha but I'm not doing that, I even only take it once a day..Maybe I'll increase it later but for now this seems to be enough for me..
What if we could make ourselves P-dominant with it? Anybody heard about that..rofl.
Lol actually the more I used the bigger I noticed they got haha but don't over dose on PC, I believe it is true that you can become P dominant :/ so stay within the means of the pea sized amounts, maybe add a bit more but not too much. I wouldn't worry though, as long as you're cycling PC, and not over lapping it out of luteal, you should be fine. Make sure to cycle the areas on your body where it goes!
& ella, I noticed that the more I used PC the more my body got used to it-- so I think that could be why you're sleeping better on it
when I first used it, I was really dizzy, now I don't have any issues with it.
(06-10-2015, 07:49 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 09:30 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2015, 03:44 AM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2015, 04:01 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Pom and Ella. I'm very happy too!! Hope I can keep on gaining.
Missb:
Thanks hun<3 I'm very happy with my gainings though its very little in comparison to my end goal. I saw your pics btw and you look GREAT!! Can you tell me what you eat on one day as example for me? I follow a very healthy diet and read you dont.. maybe I should follow your diet for a while I can use some extra curves!
Pc is treating me quite alright..though it fooled my body previous cycle since it lenghthened my cycle with 14 DAYS!!!!! So me thought I was pregnant after 38 days no menstruation where as I normally get it every 24-28 days..
That made me think of using pc earlier in my cycle instead of only luteal.
So I'll have to wait out the outcome this round while using it from day 7 to day ...? ?
Do you still cycle it? without getting messed up?
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23128&pid=161071#pid161071
wow o_O 14 days! that is intense.. did you just start it? your body could just be getting used to it.. last month I thought I was preggo too, my period was 7 days late :O I think it might have been PC but it didnt happen this month.. so i'm not sure if its from PC..
I did the same thing, I used to a bit earlier and I used a bit more, I think that is why this month my boobs were huge! give it a try, see how it works for you-- don't do it too early though, you still want it to follow your cycle. I still cycle my PC.. but it makes my boobies so nice I was wondering it if it would be good to use all month haha but ella said that wouldnt be a good idea because it would mess up my cycle. I think she is right, but idk what to do :/ I need/want more progestrone! lol
Yes it was extremely late, therefore I provided some information in my thread about PC cream is beeing used for people with a short luteal phase(when you have a short luteal it is likely that its hard to get pregnant etc.) But what I mean to say is that PC is known for lengthening luteal phases.
It was my first round with PC so maybe it takes some habituation, I'll update about this month. Though this month I'm using it differently, last month I did pc for day 14-21(stopped 3 days before possible menses but only got menses on day 38)
And this round I've already started on day 9(straight after my ovulation) till 14 days after.
Lol, I have great swelling too.,.straight after applying it! Its really hard to hold yourself in with it after seeing such nice results, I'd almostly rather like to massage with it instead of taking a pea sized dot! Haha but I'm not doing that, I even only take it once a day..Maybe I'll increase it later but for now this seems to be enough for me..
What if we could make ourselves P-dominant with it? Anybody heard about that..rofl.
Lol actually the more I used the bigger I noticed they got haha but don't over dose on PC, I believe it is true that you can become P dominant :/ so stay within the means of the pea sized amounts, maybe add a bit more but not too much. I wouldn't worry though, as long as you're cycling PC, and not over lapping it out of luteal, you should be fine. Make sure to cycle the areas on your body where it goes!
& ella, I noticed that the more I used PC the more my body got used to it-- so I think that could be why you're sleeping better on it when I first used it, I was really dizzy, now I don't have any issues with it.
I never had any issues with pc an beeing dizzy or sleepy but maybe thats because im stoned sometiems lol. But what I do always wonder when I put on the cream, should it be a flat pea sized dot or a 3d/round pea sized dot like a real pea?
I always do a bit in between..more a flat one then a round dot just like on the pea sticker..
I have to cycle a bit more though now I've only putted it on me neck, my inner arms,wrists and ofcourse breasts my fav place to put it:p
Oh yeh on top of all the drinking my workmates got me stoned the other night too. At that I'd drunk so much though I had no idea what stoned felt like. I was too off my face at that point. Just since you mentioned stoned. But yeh driving to work this morn I felt wasted. Might be the pc cause I just kept sleeping this morn where as I usually get up early.
(06-10-2015, 09:40 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh on top of all the drinking my workmates got me stoned the other night too. At that I'd drunk so much though I had no idea what stoned felt like. I was too off my face at that point. Just since you mentioned stoned. But yeh driving to work this morn I felt wasted. Might be the pc cause I just kept sleeping this morn where as I usually get up early.
ha ha lol you sound so funny there. Your workmates really got ya. You were ''strunk''. Its so weird that pc caused you that and with me nothing...I'd almostly want to ask did you used the whole tube or what? But we all are just so different with our hormones and stuff..
(06-10-2015, 10:36 PM)Hannah14 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2015, 09:40 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeh on top of all the drinking my workmates got me stoned the other night too. At that I'd drunk so much though I had no idea what stoned felt like. I was too off my face at that point. Just since you mentioned stoned. But yeh driving to work this morn I felt wasted. Might be the pc cause I just kept sleeping this morn where as I usually get up early.
ha ha lol you sound so funny there. Your workmates really got ya. You were ''strunk''. Its so weird that pc caused you that and with me nothing...I'd almostly want to ask did you used the whole tube or what? But we all are just so different with our hormones and stuff..
Might do the opposite today! But yeh only used say one eighth of a teaspoon
I do a 3d pea size amount, remember to cycle where you put it
I find myself putting a little bit more on than I am suppose to, it makes them swell even more-- but I feel like thats why I got the issue with the break through bleeding, idk why because as far as I am concerned I feel like E is what causes break through bleeding, but maybe excess P did something with my E. hmm.
(11-10-2015, 10:55 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]I do a 3d pea size amount, remember to cycle where you put it I find myself putting a little bit more on than I am suppose to, it makes them swell even more-- but I feel like thats why I got the issue with the break through bleeding, idk why because as far as I am concerned I feel like E is what causes break through bleeding, but maybe excess P did something with my E. hmm.
Hmm sounds complicated..only thinking about changing my program again gives me headaches..the thing is we never actually really know what we are doing here..Hope the ovulation bleeding or whatever we call it will be incedentally for us so we can continue using pc..since it works pretty good for me atm