So, white peony is a pro-aromatase, it's estrogenic and it's good for women with PCOS (who have high testosterone). The right white peony for NBE is called paeonia lactiflora (Bai Shao Yao). 

White peony almost sounds like the answer to everything! It's anti-inflammatory, it's good for cramps, it's purifying. It converts testosterone into estrogen, therefore it's estrogenic and it lowers testosterone. Why take anything else for NBE, right?? Though it has been mentioned on the forum, it seems there aren't many people who have reviewed it. Is there anyone who has taken/is currently taking it? Have you experienced any side effects? 

Something strange that I noticed: many sources state that it's safe to take for 4 weeks. This site specifically says that white peony should not be taken for more than 4 weeks at a time (I wonder why):

http://www.vitaminsestore.com/peony-root...nd-dosage/

hello everyone im 19 years old female and ive been trying to grow my breast since 2 years and ive reached 33.5 inches once and now im at 32.3\4"
and i now decide to take herbs.

heres my list :

maca 500 mg (100 capsules )
dong quai 1000 mg (90 capsules )
saw plametto 160 mg (60 capsules )
vitamin C 1000 mg
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i think ill take them once everyday in the morning in empty stomach and after 2 weeks ill take them twice, one in the morning and one at night.
what am i wondering about is when should i start ? third day of my period ? cause im really confused.
I hope my list is enough but if anyone thinks i should add something or remove anything please tell me :3

thank you so much in advance you are all amazing and you guys give me so much hope <3

Hi all!

I am fairly new to the whole NBE thing. For the past couple of weeks I have been googling NBE and have read a lot of information that has caused my head to spin. I stumbled across this site a couple days ago and have been reading quite a few threads. Throughout my reading, I have seen fenugreek pop up possibly more than any other supplement. I picked up a bottle of fenugreek at the store. I will start by taking 610mg, 3 times a day. I have read this is within "normal" range to start. Is this corect? I just took my very first pill!

However, I have read taking fenugreek alone may do very little. I realize every body is different and I will go through some trial and error of my own, but I was wondering which combination of herbs is generally most common/most effective with fenugreek. 

I know I will need an anti-androgen. I was considering saw palmetto. But, I was curious if fennel can be substituted as I feel fennel has less possible side effects.

Other than adding an anti-androgen, what else should be added? I would like to keep my intake of pills at 3-4. No more.

If it helps: 28 years old. I am an A cup. Typically I fall between 120-130lbs. About 5'7. 

Sorry for being such a newbie. Any tips help! 

I took a saliva hormone test and the results said I was low in estrogen and low in progesterone. I have PM and PC already, but haven't tried them together in the past because I gave up when this stuff was stressing me out too much, and I switched birth controls. I also hadn't had a hormone test and decided I needed to do that before I spent anymore time and money. I also have fenugreek at home which seemed to do something for a little while, then I'm not sure what happened, I just stopped feeling all the tingles and stuff. Would PM and PC together be the best route to try now? What's your favorite?

Topical products that contain phytoestrogens by brands like Sublime Bust, Ainterol and Naturaful  have got me thinking....

If we ingest phytoestrogens, we know how they work (well, more or less) but when it comes to breast enhancing creams, serums and sprays that you apply on your breasts, how do they work, precisely? 

I've done some research and read many threads on the forum and what I've gathered is that the phytoestrogens in the breast topicals don't go directly to your breasts, making them bigger. You cannot target where the estrogen will go. Estrogen and progesterone creams work by entering your body (even through the skin on your wrist). So why do these topicals have to be applied on the breasts (that's how they're being sold, right)?? 

If I start rubbing some breast enlargement serum that contains pueraria mirifica on my right toe, my toe's obviously not going to become Kim Kardashian (curvy/feminine). Or do breast lotions work because there are actual glands/receptors in the breasts that the phytoestrogens stimulate? Still, there are some butt creams that contain phytoestrogens that promise bigger butts but I highly doubt that the phytoestrogens are going to work only in the butt area! I believe that's not how hormones work.

Many women have said that their butts also grew from taking PM orally (some women actually have said that the only thing that grew was their butt) so I'm wondering: does it matter where we apply topical phytoestrogens?? My logic is telling me, if we apply topical phytoestrogens on our stomach, it will still affect the rest of our body (i.e. boobs and/or butt). What are your thoughts?

Just curious about what you all think about results from herbs-based/massage programs (no pumping)..  Does this give permanent results if the program is kept up for several months after your goal is achieved? Or do you have to keep taking herbs forever to keep the results?? All my research is yielding conflicting info about this. Some articles say that herbs only cause temporary swelling that will always just deflate after stopping the regimen.  

Can any of you give testimony to having permanent results from herbs?

Have any of you heard of this product?:

http://www.boustise.com/shop-boustise.html

These are the ingredients in the serum:

De-Ionized Water, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Leaf) Gel, Vegetable Glycerin, Tamarindus Indica Seed Extract, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Punica granatum (Pomegranate) Seed Oil, Dictyopteris Oil, Commiphora Myrrha (Myrrh), Calophyllum inophyllum (Tamanu) Oil, Centella Asiatica Extract, Dioscorea Villosa Root Extract, Niacin, Quaternized Wheat Protein, Chamomilla Matricaria Flower Extract (Chamomile), Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-3, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3, Steareth-20, Polysorbate- 20, Carbomer, Fragrance, Mica, Titanium Oxide Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol

What do you think? It seems like a pretty "natural" product...apparently it contains "fat trapping binders".

Hello everybody.   If anyone has any advice for this I'd greatly appreciate it.
I am estrogen dominant and high testosterone.  My doctor has me on vitex although I heard on here 500 mg would be better to take than 1000 mg. Any clarifications on this would be great.  Currently I am supposed to be taking vitex and progesterone cream at 20 mg.  I take both of those, but I also added more to my program and am now unsure whether I should or not.  I have read that it is best to stick with that for 6 months and then add to it.
I have added saw palmetto, licorice root, spearmint, fenugreek, primrose oil, red maca, gingko biloba, kelp, msm, multi vitamin, fish oil, flaxseed oil, GI fortify (for stomach problems), probiotics, iron supplement, vitamin d3, 5 htp.
Sometimes I have been doing chicken feet broth but lately have not made it and mean to make more.
My concern is that I'm adding too much too soon... mainly with the herbs like licorice root, spearmint, fenugreek, saw palmetto, and red maca. I know that a few people have grown just on vitex but not sure how long I should test this before adding anything else.  If any of you can help me decide what the best thing to do is I'd really appreciate it.

After doing some research I found out that beta sitosterol (a plant sterol found in certain foods and herbs) is a 5-AR inhibitor and can lower DHT. Sounds like it could be good for NBE especially for those who want to block DHT. Instead of taking anti-androgenic herbs, one could simply take beta-sitosterol pills, I suppose (or you could just take a phytoestrogen that contains it, like aguaje or pueraria mirifica). I'm wondering though if beta-sitosterol has any effect on estrogen? Some sources claim that it boosts estrogen but there seems to be conflicting info. Anyone  know more about beta sitosterol and has anyone taken it?

All you need is:
1 cup of FG sprouts 
A dash or two of:

• Anise
  
• Basil
  
• Fennel
  
• Licorice
  
• Caraway
  
• Dill
  
• Lemongrass
  
• Marjoram
  

Boil it in two cups of water let it cool and add honey and lemon juice (for taste).
Drink one or two cups a day.

The key of it is FG so don't worry if you can't get a hand of some ingredient but make sure FG is there.