Hmm I started at the low dose again (I should have asked sooner) and my head was hurting a little like it used to when I started BC it went away after I ate even though I did eat when I took the pills. so I think for right now I'll just keep at low dose and ramp up in a week, I'm not sure if its the pills or just my wack hormones! I even get hot flashes once in a while but that's been going on since 2007 and I'm only 25. Flaxseed might be causing the swelling but maybe its just the massage I really don't even know. I was all for the flaxseed oil because its good for you in so many ways. I hope the chiyomilk works! I feel like only my lft one is gunna grow:-( and my right one is going to be lft behind. I prefer if they atleast would switch between the two than always having a smaller one. I'll be sure to post any changes.
Did you start using that boob massager?
@nisse
Are you sure you're not estrogen dominant? Progesterone deficiency is what causes hot flashes in older women. Have you tried a progesterone cream yet? If not, you might want to look into it.
I love the boob massager. It can massage in ways your hands can't. I still prefer it WITH massage, but I think it's helping drain my lymphatic system. It feels very nice and is really easy to do while watching tv.
And the upwards massage motion will help fight against sagging over time. I'm planning on buying a face massager like this to help thin my face.
@mochaccino
Lol Thanks, I actually already just checked it before I came into this thread. I usually watch stuff until I get bored with it.
(17-08-2012, 12:49 PM)Doll Wrote: [ -> ]Haha, thank you! Most people won't see growth in their first month, so consider yourself lucky! Your program must be working for you to see anything so quickly! Fact of the matter is, you will gain growth and then lose it each month when your period comes. Your breasts will naturally be at their smallest on the 5th day of your monthly. However, if you gained anything, it WILL come back faster the next month, and you might even see more growth beyond that! That's how it happened to me, and I didn't see much growth at all until my 3rd month. Give it time, you're moving along pretty fast actually!
I've noticed I actually don't lose growth now that I take a 5 day break each month at the start of my period. I'm not sure if it would work for other people that way or if it's just because I've been at this so long. I've gotten to the point where I don't even lose anything during a 7-day cleanse until the last day, and even then I barely lose any fullness! You could give it a try, I think it helps my receptors from filling up too quickly so I can grow at a steady rate each month. Even if you don't take monthly breaks, make SURE you cleanse every 3 months. You might lose all your growth your first cleanse (I did), and THAT will be really discouraging. But it comes back almost immediately, and it's much better to lose for a few days to a week than to slow your growth until it stops altogether.
Doll you were right, the fullness did come back! Like i said it's not a significant gain, but I know there has been some sort of change because my boyfriend noticed that they felt heavier (of course I never mentioned my NBE ambitions to him).
I'm currently starting my second month, and per your advice I plan to take a break for a few days monthly starting on my period.
how did growth progress during your first few months? you said you didn't grow much until the third, did it all sort of spring up at once?
and on an unrelated note, I dig your misty cosplay!
(23-08-2012, 11:29 PM)Doll Wrote: [ -> ]@nisse
Are you sure you're not estrogen dominant? Progesterone deficiency is what causes hot flashes in older women. Have you tried a progesterone cream yet? If not, you might want to look into it.
I love the boob massager. It can massage in ways your hands can't. I still prefer it WITH massage, but I think it's helping drain my lymphatic system. It feels very nice and is really easy to do while watching tv. And the upwards massage motion will help fight against sagging over time. I'm planning on buying a face massager like this to help thin my face.
I don't even know I went to doctors some time ago because the hot flashes were so bad and started spotting all month, they checked thyroid, hormones, even checked for cancer because of all symptoms....and they found nothing they said my hormones were fine but since the bleeding woulndnt stop and had ended up with anemia they gave me progesterone pills to hlp with spotting. They never said I lacked in progesterone so I don't know, I even went to a different doc for a second opinion and nothing, they just put me on BC. I have taken pc before it hlped somewhat, I still had hot flashes but not as bad. So Idk. They also told me no signs of early menopause or premenopause.
I was really thinking of getting massager. Glad its working for you.:-)
(24-08-2012, 05:42 AM)Etna1407 Wrote: [ -> ]Doll you were right, the fullness did come back! Like i said it's not a significant gain, but I know there has been some sort of change because my boyfriend noticed that they felt heavier (of course I never mentioned my NBE ambitions to him).
I'm currently starting my second month, and per your advice I plan to take a break for a few days monthly starting on my period.
how did growth progress during your first few months? you said you didn't grow much until the third, did it all sort of spring up at once?
and on an unrelated note, I dig your misty cosplay!
Lol Why, thank you!
My breast growth actually started out much the same way. Fullness, then nothing. Then fullness, then nothing. Then, fullness finally started turning into real growth! I also didn't have any properly fitting bras at the time and didn't want to waste the money on temporary bras, so I didn't have a good reference bra to really judge my growth. I couldn't tell exactly when I was growing and when I was just swelling. However, if you make sure you're wearing a proper bra size, you'll be able to see the changes much better (with my too-big band size, I had gapping no matter how big my breasts grew; I still had gapping in the top of my 36B even when I wa falling out of a 34C! The cups have the same volume, but are shaped differently, which causes the huge differences). I feel like in my second month I got slight growth, but really sprung up in my third month. And it may be different to you, although swelling so soon (especially the way you describe the fullness) is VERY good. I'm SURE you'll be growing for real soon.
nisse Wrote:I don't even know I went to doctors some time ago because the hot flashes were so bad and started spotting all month, they checked thyroid, hormones, even checked for cancer because of all symptoms....and they found nothing they said my hormones were fine but since the bleeding woulndnt stop and had ended up with anemia they gave me progesterone pills to hlp with spotting. They never said I lacked in progesterone so I don't know, I even went to a different doc for a second opinion and nothing, they just put me on BC. I have taken pc before it hlped somewhat, I still had hot flashes but not as bad. So Idk. They also told me no signs of early menopause or premenopause.
I was really thinking of getting massager. Glad its working for you.:-)
Hm, strange that they wouldn't mention progesterone deficiency and then put you on prog pills. That really seems like your problem, although of course, it could also be something else altogether. You can have menopausal symptoms without actually going through it, and this could point to either low progesterone or too high estrogen. And if you said PC did help a little bit, maybe you should consider getting back on it while you try to figure out the cause. That sucks going through all that at such a young age and not being able to get any answers. Look up the symptoms online on your own first, do a good bit of research, and then try to see another doctor. Tell him what your concerns are and make sure you get your results from any hormone tests. A lot of seasoned members here have gone through hormone tests themselves and will be able to tell you what to do to level your hormones. And there is a chance it's not hormones, too, so keep your mind open to anything it might be. I'm no doctor, so the only advice I can give is that there are a lot of crap doctors out there and sometimes even reading test results wrong is all that it takes to completely miss the problem. Good luck with everything! Oh, and if you try PC again, make sure it says Progesterone USP on the ingredients rather than progesterone made from wild yam. Also, make sure you continue to put it on a different, vein-y part of your body every day to keep the receptors from getting too plugged up in one spot!
Sorry I write so much, I just try to cover everything I can think of. ^^;
My bra broke yesterday right after I got dressed. The underwire STABBED me right i the side of my boob. :/ Not only OUCH, but very unfortunate. My 34C I bought like two months ago is WAAAAYYYY too small and won't even cup my entire breasts. So now I'm braless.
I'm going to VS today to try on bras! Finally, my first VS bra!!! They also have 32 bands there and DD cups, so I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to find my actual size! I hate that most of their bras are push-ups, but hopefully even if I end up having to buy one, it'll only be temporary until my breasts can finally grow to my goal size.
(25-08-2012, 07:53 PM)Doll Wrote: [ -> ]My bra broke yesterday right after I got dressed. The underwire STABBED me right i the side of my boob. :/ Not only OUCH, but very unfortunate. My 34C I bought like two months ago is WAAAAYYYY too small and won't even cup my entire breasts. So now I'm braless.
I'm going to VS today to try on bras! Finally, my first VS bra!!! They also have 32 bands there and DD cups, so I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to find my actual size! I hate that most of their bras are push-ups, but hopefully even if I end up having to buy one, it'll only be temporary until my breasts can finally grow to my goal size.
Thanks for your hlp!!
34c too small, ugh so jealous!! Vs usually carries common sizes at their store the rest you can order online and btw they do not know how to measure, they've told me I'm a 34a, 36a, 32c, 34b so take your own measurements. Have fun bra shopping!!
Lol I don't measure for that reason! I know my band size will be 32 (although I wear 34 a lot because small bands are so rare), so I just go to stores and try stuff on to see what really fits me.
I know everyone says VS bras are a little smaller than regular bras...I didn't realize that they were a full half-cup smaller than regular sizes! D: 32DD didn't come CLOSE to fitting, and even the 34D's gave me awful quadra-boob. So I was able to buy a 34DD. I don't completely fill it out of course, but I'm not too far from it actually. So I'm going to make this my bra goal, and I can just always wear VS bras from now on (this one is made with memory foam! My boobies are in heaven!!!) It's perfect, because I didn't want to get to a full 32DDD because I'm worried about sagging, but I wanted to get a bit bigger than a 32DD.
Everyone there was so surprised how big my breasts turned out to be. My friend who works there swore a 32DD would be too big on me. She even wanted to measure me and wouldn't let me try on a 34DD at first. xD Maybe once I reach my goal my breasts will actually LOOK the size they are...
Well...it appears that I've become estrogen-dominant since starting NBE (I've come a long way from being estrogen deficient!). This is most likely the reason my fast growth has slowed and practically stopped, as well as causing my moodiness and cellulite problems.
I seem to have normal estrogen levels and low progesterone, so I'm going to be switching my program around a little bit.
Current program:
Fenugreek - 2,440mgs/day
Saw Palmetto - 2,160mgs/day
Red Clover - 1,720mgs/day
New Program:
Weeks 1+2:
Fenugreek - 2,440mgs/day
Saw Palmetto - 2,160mgs/day
Red Clover - 860mgs
Weeks 3+4:
Fenugreek - 2,440mgs/day
Saw Palmetto - 2,160mgs/day
Red Clover - 1,290mgs/day
Progesterone Cream once daily
And I will continue to take my 5 day breaks from everything at the start of my monthly. I'm considering adding maca to help keep things balanced this time, but I'm still unsure because of the intense, awful side effects it caused before, even at its lowest dose.
I may or may not change things a little, but this is my starting plan so far. I still have a lot of research to do about balancing estrogen dominance! Hopefully this brings back my speedy growth soon.
