[hejsan24]

Nws lovely! 
Ashwaganda is an adaptogen herb not estrogenic it helps with stress and balance and so on. PM is very strong so the fact you want to start off with something lighter I'd say not to use it, you can try fennel as it's very very safe and gentle plus many other benefits, you will want to take however many capsules to get about 2000mg worth daily, you could also soy isoflavones which very weakly mimic estrogen potentially boosting it a little bit which again it's quite safe but very weak, still you said you want to start off light so these two are the lightest you could really try. Lastly you could also try fenugreek oil as massage(I infuse my fenugreek into my oil I don't take it internally) it's great at adding fat to the applied area for many. Yes I get a few of my supplements from iherb it's a GREAT resource it has literally everything! I even just got my longan tea from there from the brand Dragon herbs. But I get most of my actual herbs from actual herbalists/naturopaths just to make sure it's higher quality, though iherb has some amazing brands on there that can be good quality too like the brand imperial elixirs, I however buy my fish oil from a very good Australian brand here called Swisse. So yes you can definitely find these things at iherb! Also I forgot to say earlier, with herbs according to herbalists and naturopaths you should always take your herbs 30 minutes or longer prior to eating or 2 hours after eating as this helps with absorption and lowers the interactions with food. Alcohol tinctures are really your best bet too as they absorb about 90% whereas capsules absorb about 50% or something hence I take more.

Maybe this is a very stupid question but am I understanding you right- you dont think its likely I Will grow with just massaging with fennel and hops (or also fenugreek) and i also need other ”stronger” herbs for boosting the estrogen and progesteron? Or do you mean without these I already said now I probably wont grow since my hormones are low?  

I actually texted wrong before, i meant shatavari   fenugreek= progestron but not so much estrogen? Maybe i need smt more for estrogen, i think its hard to separate what is doing what. I think Fennel and hops are for estrogen so maybe it balances better with the fennugreek. I took fenugreek before and did not see that it did smt, if something i felt they shrunk but maybe it was because it was capsules or not enough estrogen for see a difference. Maybe its better to take a powder? 

Does it make a change when to take this during your cycle, I was thinking of maybe getting my period back every month again

[MadameBusty]

No girly I meant you won't grow with just massage alone WITHOUT herbs to fix your low hormones lol.
You would however definitely benefit from stronger doses or herbs.
Shatavari is good but it's more for balancing your hormones than adding them.
Fenugreek doesn't give progesterone at all it's strictly estrogen, prolactin and alil testosterone(no testosterone if applied topically though) powder is alil tougher, it is cheaper to buy powder in bulk however then you have the whole ordeal of measuring doses and I have no idea on that because I've always just gotten high quality capsules and tinctures.
For progesterone "support" you can add in wild yam or even better but an actual USP grade progesterone cream from anywhere online just make sure it states on the bottle that it is actually converted to progesterone in a lab if it's from wild yam. Cycling, again is very an individual case thing, I have seen many women not cycle and be fine, I have also seen women cycle but either have results or lose results because they havnt been taking their program consistently. Hope that helps 

[hejsan24]

No girly I meant you won't grow with just massage alone WITHOUT herbs to fix your low hormones lol.
You would however definitely benefit from stronger doses or herbs.
Shatavari is good but it's more for balancing your hormones than adding them.
Fenugreek doesn't give progesterone at all it's strictly estrogen, prolactin and alil testosterone(no testosterone if applied topically though) powder is alil tougher, it is cheaper to buy powder in bulk however then you have the whole ordeal of measuring doses and I have no idea on that because I've always just gotten high quality capsules and tinctures.
For progesterone "support" you can add in wild yam or even better but an actual USP grade progesterone cream from anywhere online just make sure it states on the bottle that it is actually converted to progesterone in a lab if it's from wild yam. Cycling, again is very an individual case thing, I have seen many women not cycle and be fine, I have also seen women cycle but either have results or lose results because they havnt been taking their program consistently. Hope that helps 

Thank you darling!!
Ok so now i will try what u said❤️
1. I buy almond oil and mix with fennel, hops and jasmine. Do you think this fennel (https://nutri.se/products/swanson-fennel-480mg-100-caps?currency=SEK&variant=48948139884892&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=2f838e3de64b&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20749977763&gbraid=0AAAAAojBXGOPEZF47DQRdBMgph6up2X6X&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiqbBBhCAARIsAJSfZkbnY4Ihtno2IbWs1R9rIPVhwCUUI6NGklZMMH5RCiLvMvMwjsFHjVMaAn2fEALw_wcB) is ok? For hops this one from iherb (https://se.iherb.com/pr/swanson-full-spectrum-hops-310-mg-180-capsules/148144?gad_campaignid=671591262&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiqbBBhCAARIsAJSfZkZe80-TJv8NW_RZ04C6aJmRM4uov6H6iMbDIMvw1UWRZVOBN8qc9TkaAs8TEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds) and then one quality jasmin oil?

1. Do you just open the capsules and put the powder in the oil mix?
2. Do you think its good to Add also capsules fenugreek in the oilmix or to swallow the capsules? Atm i still have 500 mg veg capsules of fenugreek so maybe i can take one capsules a day with the msm to start something while im waiting? Why do the oil need to stand for weeks, is it for the oils to mix better? Last question, when u said to Add an natural oil what would u recomend? I Will look into wild jam as well, maybe its something i can also Add to my magic massageoil  It feels something better to massage with a herboil than to swallow the capsules idk why  Thank you for saying it about the time after food!! Is it the same when i can massage with my oil? Is spearmint tea smt that would be good do you think?

[MadameBusty]

Nws girly! 
Yes the fennel and hops are good! Swanson is pretty reputable, the hops you linked is basically the same dosage per capsule as the hops I use so that's good.
Yes get a high quality Jasmin essential oil none of the cheap essential oils which mostly always contain some kind of filler or synthetic fragrances, you want one that is 100% pure Jasmine essential oil NOT one that says 3% etc on there which means it's only 3% jasmine oil mixed with a carrier oil already as you cannot count the drops properly this way, pure real jasmine oil can be a little pricey, for reference I pay $50 for a bottle of 15ml Jasmine essential oil so you may or may not have the funds to afford that, but so you know it does last a long time and is a great oil both for NBE and it's a natural antidepressant/has anxiolytic effects meaning it helps boost mood and reduce anxiety.
Yes get about 8 capsules of that fennel you linked, 10 capsules of the hops you linked, open them all up and pour the contents into a glass amber dropper bottle(you can buy these pretty cheap online) then fill to the top with your natural oil, shaking daily and leaving in a dark cool place for 3 to 6 weeks until powdered dried herbs are fully absorbed, you can add 5 to 8 drops Jasmine essential oil when making it or after, either way, you can take fenugreek internally or use just in the oil given your hormone results, personally I just use it in the oil (I use 10 fenugreek capsules 1000mg each capsule in my oil infusion)
The oil mixture needs to be shaken DAILY and left in a cold dark place, this is because the herbs need to infuse into the oil on order to make the oil have the properties/plant hormones etc it is called the cold infusion method, you can do a heat infusion method but the benefits are much better with the cold infusion method and a little patience as cooking them to infuse can kill some of the properties.
You can use any natural oil, sweet almond oil, castor oil, sunflower oil, fractionated coconut oil(make sure it's fractionated lol) etc etc personally I use a half half mixture of sunflower oil and sweet almond oil and yes my oil infusion contains pure wild yam powder from a herbalist it's a great herb but I only use it topically you could use it internally as it's a great support herb.
Lol no you can massage with the oil anytime! The food rule only counts with taking capsules or tinctures etc internally.
Spearmint tea is great! So many benefits, lowers testosterone, can help boost estradiol abit, good for skin health and beauty, and great for your digestive system. However since your testosterone is ok and not high or anything you may not need spearmint, but if you choose to use it it's great in general 

[hejsan24]

Nws girly! 
Yes the fennel and hops are good! Swanson is pretty reputable, the hops you linked is basically the same dosage per capsule as the hops I use so that's good.
Yes get a high quality Jasmin essential oil none of the cheap essential oils which mostly always contain some kind of filler or synthetic fragrances, you want one that is 100% pure Jasmine essential oil NOT one that says 3% etc on there which means it's only 3% jasmine oil mixed with a carrier oil already as you cannot count the drops properly this way, pure real jasmine oil can be a little pricey, for reference I pay $50 for a bottle of 15ml Jasmine essential oil so you may or may not have the funds to afford that, but so you know it does last a long time and is a great oil both for NBE and it's a natural antidepressant/has anxiolytic effects meaning it helps boost mood and reduce anxiety.
Yes get about 8 capsules of that fennel you linked, 10 capsules of the hops you linked, open them all up and pour the contents into a glass amber dropper bottle(you can buy these pretty cheap online) then fill to the top with your natural oil, shaking daily and leaving in a dark cool place for 3 to 6 weeks until powdered dried herbs are fully absorbed, you can add 5 to 8 drops Jasmine essential oil when making it or after, either way, you can take fenugreek internally or use just in the oil given your hormone results, personally I just use it in the oil (I use 10 fenugreek capsules 1000mg each capsule in my oil infusion)
The oil mixture needs to be shaken DAILY and left in a cold dark place, this is because the herbs need to infuse into the oil on order to make the oil have the properties/plant hormones etc it is called the cold infusion method, you can do a heat infusion method but the benefits are much better with the cold infusion method and a little patience as cooking them to infuse can kill some of the properties.
You can use any natural oil, sweet almond oil, castor oil, sunflower oil, fractionated coconut oil(make sure it's fractionated lol) etc etc personally I use a half half mixture of sunflower oil and sweet almond oil and yes my oil infusion contains pure wild yam powder from a herbalist it's a great herb but I only use it topically you could use it internally as it's a great support herb.
Lol no you can massage with the oil anytime! The food rule only counts with taking capsules or tinctures etc internally.
Spearmint tea is great! So many benefits, lowers testosterone, can help boost estradiol abit, good for skin health and beauty, and great for your digestive system. However since your testosterone is ok and not high or anything you may not need spearmint, but if you choose to use it it's great in general 

Wiiihh now i ordered everything, im so excited!!  I found this wild jam (https://www.svenskhalsokost.se/healthwell-wild-yam?da=14-46&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=206847201&gbraid=0AAAAADz2iBu4415_PMM73VBDPUEcVlfHO&gclid=CjwKCAjwravBBhBjEiwAIr30VGHgNdve9xgFzYgdAd_MYtcLQ2WT8D6igyqpKkV_8w_C5cS1WB1BDxoCbnoQAvD_BwE) this i just put one capsule on the top for the prestagerone?

Thank you for explaining so well, I Will do your Method and keep my patience?
I found this jasmin oil from amazon https://www.amazon.se/-/en/Essential-100...B0CHRVLBLZ too??
Im so excited- do you think this is a good mix for both estrogen and progestorone? Hoppfully something will happen now? BIG THANKS girlie, im forever thankful❤️❤️❤️

[MadameBusty]

That wild yam looks good, I use about half a teaspoon of pure wild yam powder (from a qualified herbalist here in my country) in my oil infusion so basically you could empty as many capsules of that wild yam onto a teaspoon and measure up to half a teaspoon to put in.
That Jasmine oil is very fake and cheap and definitely full of filler at such a price for so much, you can't trust Amazon and the like for actual pure therapeutic grade essential oils especially not ones as precious as jasmine oil, I suggest ordering from "REVIVE essential oils" or possibly this one from the brand Aura Cacia on iherb 
https://iherb.co/gFwKc4JS?rcode=CNG4215&utm_medium=appshare
It's pricey but actual proper essential oils that are pure without fillers are priced accordingly, you won't find true certified therapeutic grade essential oils for the likes of $10 (AUD)or so and Jasmine is a precious oil so it's always more pricier than others like lavender, you will find most jasmine oils on iherb besides the one I just linked are only like 3% jasmine oil and the rest is jojoba oil etc so you aren't getting pure straight jasmine oil with those. So definitely invest and buy your jasmine oil from revive or the other one I linked is a good alternative 
Also nws lovely so glad to help! 

[MadameBusty]

Just thought I would add on if you can't afford the certified pure grade jasmine oil, you can always use a combination of lavender essential oil and geranium essential oil these both boost estrogen and geranium can be balancing somewhat aswell, just make sure you get them both certified pure therapeutic grade(CPTG) so preferably from Revive essential oils(you could buy from doTerra or young living but they arent very affordable compared to Revive) I personally just got French Lavender which is more potent with scent due to it being grown in higher altitudes so when I make up my next batch of oil I will be using that lavender oil as I love the smell of lavender!

[hejsan24]

Just thought I would add on if you can't afford the certified pure grade jasmine oil, you can always use a combination of lavender essential oil and geranium essential oil these both boost estrogen and geranium can be balancing somewhat aswell, just make sure you get them both certified pure therapeutic grade(CPTG) so preferably from Revive essential oils(you could buy from doTerra or young living but they arent very affordable compared to Revive) I personally just got French Lavender which is more potent with scent due to it being grown in higher altitudes so when I make up my next batch of oil I will be using that lavender oil as I love the smell of lavender!

Thank you so much for the advice girliee, I Will buy the one you recommended  I dont find fenugreek 1000 mg that ships to sweden, the best one is tjis one that i literally have at home since 2 years, so you think its still working? https://nutri.se/products/now-foods-fenugreek?currency=SEK&variant=48949156381020&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=2f838e3de64b&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20749977763&gbraid=0AAAAAojBXGP_N9ikAYyllHZUkcgG4y2y6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlrvBBhDnARIsAHEQgOTPWFomNvQV9A_rdt7hWnoOwqN7l59xs5FokJjq_f3iKAUFElhZ7LcaAqBsEALw_wcB

Do u suggest that i try this plan for some months and that we can try to upgrade the dose? Is it bryter to take the ups cream than wild jam maybe its better even if its stronger. But then its a cream and not to put in the oil, right?   Maybe it could be hard to see what is working if we add smt more but this is so new to me so i dont really know how it works but in trying to learn ❤️ when i gain weight it tends to go to the stomach and upperpart but not sm to the breasts, maybe this is telling something about my hormones too

[hejsan24]

Just thought I would add on if you can't afford the certified pure grade jasmine oil, you can always use a combination of lavender essential oil and geranium essential oil these both boost estrogen and geranium can be balancing somewhat aswell, just make sure you get them both certified pure therapeutic grade(CPTG) so preferably from Revive essential oils(you could buy from doTerra or young living but they arent very affordable compared to Revive) I personally just got French Lavender which is more potent with scent due to it being grown in higher altitudes so when I make up my next batch of oil I will be using that lavender oil as I love the smell of lavender!

Thank you so much for the advice girliee, I Will buy the one you recommended  I dont find fenugreek 1000 mg that ships to sweden, the best one is tjis one that i literally have at home since 2 years, so you think its still working? https://nutri.se/products/now-foods-fenugreek?currency=SEK&variant=48949156381020&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=2f838e3de64b&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20749977763&gbraid=0AAAAAojBXGP_N9ikAYyllHZUkcgG4y2y6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlrvBBhDnARIsAHEQgOTPWFomNvQV9A_rdt7hWnoOwqN7l59xs5FokJjq_f3iKAUFElhZ7LcaAqBsEALw_wcB

Do u suggest that i try this plan for some months and that we can try to upgrade the dose? Is it bryter to take the ups cream than wild jam maybe its better even if its stronger. But then its a cream and not to put in the oil, right?   Maybe it could be hard to see what is working if we add smt more but this is so new to me so i dont really know how it works but in trying to learn ❤️ when i gain weight it tends to go to the stomach and upperpart but not sm to the breasts, maybe this is telling something about my hormones too

Btw!!! Is you amber glass bottle 500 ml?❤️

[MadameBusty]

Hi hun I wanted to let you know so you don't think I'm ignoring you I've literally just moved houses so will reply in full when I can, just very very busy right now