[hejsan24]

Still struggling unfortunately but I'm doing my very best to push through and keep myself occupied 
It's only been 2 weeks and you must remember you aren't using a hormonal or plumping oil (with fatty acids) nor are you using herbs or the like(depending on what your test results come back with) so it won't be as quick of a result.
Yes absolutely do it whilst on BC as you plan on staying on it, which on that note there have been many women come and gone who have done NBE whilst on Birth Control and they have mostly had success so don't worry about that. Hope you've been well, I will be back another time, just trying to focus on getting out of this headspace I'm currently in 

Hi Lovely, FINALLY this is the result, is there hope for my NBE journey?❤️❤️?

[MadameBusty]

Hi you havnt posted the result?

[hejsan24]

Hi you havnt posted the result?

I forgot to insert it..??? here it is

[MadameBusty]

Unfortunately it still isn't posted are you trying to add it as an attachment or just write it in the msg?

[hejsan24]

Unfortunately it still isn't posted are you trying to add it as an attachment or just write it in the msg?

I was trying to Add it as an attachment But i will write it instead   
Testosteron: 0.75 nmol/L
Östradiol: <88pmol/L
Progesteron: 3.6 nmol/L
Prolaktin they said it was an error and could not give result

[MadameBusty]

All good lovely! With prolactin it's a shame you couldn't get the results for that, so with that being the case we just won't focus much on prolactin now and more on estrogen and progesterone! Given the results you have very low estrogen and progesterone! This is VERY likely why you havnt grown! For reference I tend to have very high estrogen and progesterone higher than I've ever seen on both breast nexus and Nexum, my estradiol is 1311 pmol/l and that's when I'm due for a new estradiol pellet, my progesterone is 35.0 nmol/l so absolutely you can use herbs/glandulars for BOTH estrogen and progesterone! Lastly your testosterone is somewhat decent but you could definitely use an Aromatase boosting herb to lower it some and convert it to the estrogen you need, as your testosterone is 0.75nmol/l and mine is 0.7nmol/l but keep in mind some testosterone in natal females is important for health! I personally don't produce any testosterone besides the micro amounts from the adrenals hence I tend to have non existent levels. I would suggest the following from your results
1: White peony(paeonia lactiflora to be exact) for Aromatase boosting which will help turn that testosterone into estrogen
2: Red clover for estrogen and progesterone
3: Hops for estrogen(hops targets more estrogen receptor alpha than estrogen receptor beta and estrogen receptor alpha is what you want for breast growth)
4: MSM for growth hormone boosting which you are already taking (you can always increase the dose of this as people take upwards of 8000mg or more safely)
6: Good quality fish oil or borage oil for healthy fats
5: Massage with a good plumping oil or estrogenic oil which you are already doing my massage method

You can play around with your program and dosages to find the right dosages/supplements for you and your individual body! Personally I'm all up every day taking 2400mg hops, 3600mg fennel, and 125 drops all up red clover tincture(this is a 1:1 ratio which is the most potent you can take of a tincture and also alcohol based for the best absorption, glycerine based absorbs less and doesn't contain as much of the key nutrients from the herb as an alcohol extract as any herbalist will tell you, alcohol tinctures are always much more absorbed in the body than capsules but most people cannot afford to take high quality tinctures for all their herbs) and that's just herb wise. So glad you got your test done because even without the prolactin result it's very clear that hormonally you can definitely benefit from herbs and/or glandulars.

[hejsan24]

All good lovely! With prolactin it's a shame you couldn't get the results for that, so with that being the case we just won't focus much on prolactin now and more on estrogen and progesterone! Given the results you have very low estrogen and progesterone! This is VERY likely why you havnt grown! For reference I tend to have very high estrogen and progesterone higher than I've ever seen on both breast nexus and Nexum, my estradiol is 1311 pmol/l and that's when I'm due for a new estradiol pellet, my progesterone is 35.0 nmol/l so absolutely you can use herbs/glandulars for BOTH estrogen and progesterone! Lastly your testosterone is somewhat decent but you could definitely use an Aromatase boosting herb to lower it some and convert it to the estrogen you need, as your testosterone is 0.75nmol/l and mine is 0.7nmol/l but keep in mind some testosterone in natal females is important for health! I personally don't produce any testosterone besides the micro amounts from the adrenals hence I tend to have non existent levels. I would suggest the following from your results
1: White peony(paeonia lactiflora to be exact) for Aromatase boosting which will help turn that testosterone into estrogen
2: Red clover for estrogen and progesterone
3: Hops for estrogen(hops targets more estrogen receptor alpha than estrogen receptor beta and estrogen receptor alpha is what you want for breast growth)
4: MSM for growth hormone boosting which you are already taking (you can always increase the dose of this as people take upwards of 8000mg or more safely)
6: Good quality fish oil or borage oil for healthy fats
5: Massage with a good plumping oil or estrogenic oil which you are already doing my massage method

You can play around with your program and dosages to find the right dosages/supplements for you and your individual body! Personally I'm all up every day taking 2400mg hops, 3600mg fennel, and 125 drops all up red clover tincture(this is a 1:1 ratio which is the most potent you can take of a tincture and also alcohol based for the best absorption, glycerine based absorbs less and doesn't contain as much of the key nutrients from the herb as an alcohol extract as any herbalist will tell you, alcohol tinctures are always much more absorbed in the body than capsules but most people cannot afford to take high quality tinctures for all their herbs) and that's just herb wise. So glad you got your test done because even without the prolactin result it's very clear that hormonally you can definitely benefit from herbs and/or glandulars.

Thank you so much for taking time to explain everything❤️
1. Im just very confused how its possible that my esteten and progestorone could be low since im on BC that is ”known” for have the most estrogen in comparison to other pills  does it mean that without it my hormones are non existent
2. It says specific to not combine my BC (Yasmin) with red clover and i have seen other that does not want to mix that pill w PM also so im a little bit lost if there is a ”lighter” here och maybe an estrogen cream or oil to put just on the breast? Or maybe its the same as taking it orally?

I searched hop and i found there is as tea, do you think it would be good? And in that case how much would you start with? The only thing i saw is that its not good to take if u have endometrios and since im always taking the pill im scared i have that (anxious about everything and now im in a period were Im scared i cant have children in the future if i Add herbs that maybe is not good with the pill But prob its just in my head) 

3. I think i would prefer to start with less steps and Add later on so i think if my testosteron is low (or at least not so high) i Will wait and Add it later to turn it to estrogen since u said its good to have a little bit natural

4. I actually stopped a little bit with the massage because my distance bf were here and i did not find the time to do it Sneaky but i Will continue- what oil would u think is best in my case? Now im ijust using coconutoil. I prefer to use as little herbs as possible Bjt still grow of course❤️❤️

5. I Will continue with fishoil and MsM

[MadameBusty]

Honestly I have no clue either why your estrogen and progesterone are so so low! Being on BC doesn't necessarily mean that your body is actually utilises all the hormones in it, and on-top of that all BC is synthetic hormones not bio identical so that could also possibly be why, but again I have no true idea why your hormones are so low they just are.
Many people take PM with BC but I don't know exactly what BC they are on if it's the same as yours or not. As for red clover don't take it then if your BC specifically says not to.
Hops in a tea form is a VERY acquired taste and might be alil yucky to taste for you, so best stick to a hops tincture or capsules like I do which I already stated the amount I take(other girls I've seen have taken around 2000mg of hops daily and had results)
You could try infusing an oil like castor or almond or sunflower oil with a mixture of hops and fennel(fennel is very safe everyone eats it) do this by following my recipe in my thread just with those ingredients, basically get an amber glass dropper bottle add in about 6 capsules of 500-600mg fennel and 10 capsules of hops(I use 300mg capsules) then fill to brim with a natural oil and shake daily leaving it in a cold dark place for 3 to 6 weeks then it's ready to use, you can also try adding in essential oils like Jasmine, Clary sage and Geranium for extra estrogenic and balancing properties.
Unfortunately it's not likely you will grow without herbs/glandulars taken with massage seeing as your hormones are so low, you need something to boost them as estrogen and progesterone are the primary hormones for breast growth that's just basic nbe and with very little of them it's not likely you will grow tbh. So you will need herbs of some sort to help your hormones or even glandulars like pig placenta extract or bovine ovary. Sorry for being so blunt but I prefer to be straight up and not mislead you into thinking you will grow from non hormonal massage oil alone with such low hormones, herbs are quite safe the only ones that can be possibly detrimental are PM and Maca because maca increases testosterone aswell as estrogen and tend to favour the lower half, PM can be good for some but bad for others. So I think right now you just need to make a choice of what you want to do and what you don't want to do 

[hejsan24]

Honestly I have no clue either why your estrogen and progesterone are so so low! Being on BC doesn't necessarily mean that your body is actually utilises all the hormones in it, and on-top of that all BC is synthetic hormones not bio identical so that could also possibly be why, but again I have no true idea why your hormones are so low they just are.
Many people take PM with BC but I don't know exactly what BC they are on if it's the same as yours or not. As for red clover don't take it then if your BC specifically says not to.
Hops in a tea form is a VERY acquired taste and might be alil yucky to taste for you, so best stick to a hops tincture or capsules like I do which I already stated the amount I take(other girls I've seen have taken around 2000mg of hops daily and had results)
You could try infusing an oil like castor or almond or sunflower oil with a mixture of hops and fennel(fennel is very safe everyone eats it) do this by following my recipe in my thread just with those ingredients, basically get an amber glass dropper bottle add in about 6 capsules of 500-600mg fennel and 10 capsules of hops(I use 300mg capsules) then fill to brim with a natural oil and shake daily leaving it in a cold dark place for 3 to 6 weeks then it's ready to use, you can also try adding in essential oils like Jasmine, Clary sage and Geranium for extra estrogenic and balancing properties.
Unfortunately it's not likely you will grow without herbs/glandulars taken with massage seeing as your hormones are so low, you need something to boost them as estrogen and progesterone are the primary hormones for breast growth that's just basic nbe and with very little of them it's not likely you will grow tbh. So you will need herbs of some sort to help your hormones or even glandulars like pig placenta extract or bovine ovary. Sorry for being so blunt but I prefer to be straight up and not mislead you into thinking you will grow from non hormonal massage oil alone with such low hormones, herbs are quite safe the only ones that can be possibly detrimental are PM and Maca because maca increases testosterone aswell as estrogen and tend to favour the lower half, PM can be good for some but bad for others. So I think right now you just need to make a choice of what you want to do and what you don't want to do 

Thank you so much, I appreciate you being straight

I meant more if there is a substitute to get the estrogen and progestarone in other Herbs except red Clover and PM that would be just as strong or a little bit lighter to start with. For example I heard a lot of people taking PM cream (which in my case I assume I can take on my breast everyday since i dont get my period) and in that case would you mind sharing which one (how strong) you would be good to start with   I also seen people taking Ashwaghanda combined with my pill, is it for estrogen- maybe that could be good too. I Will try to find fennel and do what you did with the massage, do you buy your herbs from Iherb? Thank you again❤️

[MadameBusty]

Nws lovely! 
Ashwaganda is an adaptogen herb not estrogenic it helps with stress and balance and so on. PM is very strong so the fact you want to start off with something lighter I'd say not to use it, you can try fennel as it's very very safe and gentle plus many other benefits, you will want to take however many capsules to get about 2000mg worth daily, you could also soy isoflavones which very weakly mimic estrogen potentially boosting it a little bit which again it's quite safe but very weak, still you said you want to start off light so these two are the lightest you could really try. Lastly you could also try fenugreek oil as massage(I infuse my fenugreek into my oil I don't take it internally) it's great at adding fat to the applied area for many. Yes I get a few of my supplements from iherb it's a GREAT resource it has literally everything! I even just got my longan tea from there from the brand Dragon herbs. But I get most of my actual herbs from actual herbalists/naturopaths just to make sure it's higher quality, though iherb has some amazing brands on there that can be good quality too like the brand imperial elixirs, I however buy my fish oil from a very good Australian brand here called Swisse. So yes you can definitely find these things at iherb! Also I forgot to say earlier, with herbs according to herbalists and naturopaths you should always take your herbs 30 minutes or longer prior to eating or 2 hours after eating as this helps with absorption and lowers the interactions with food. Alcohol tinctures are really your best bet too as they absorb about 90% whereas capsules absorb about 50% or something hence I take more.