[surferjoe2007]

Hi Joe, i’m not underweight but years before i started diet and working out, because i was very pear shaped and still AA cup. My weight in kilos is 47,  (I lost about 10 kilos)

My protein intake is about1/1,5 for each kilo, not too low but not too much.

My measurements are without implants.

I just eat brown rice (whole rice) or black rice. No White rice at all.

Thank you

Probably it’s a combination of progesterone being a little low, testosterone a little high, low LH, weight low, nutrients a little low (tons of seeds and veggies are needed) and protein a little high.  Nothing too major except maybe weight, and it all adds up.  On the bright side you do have a little tissue to start with in spite of all this, and PM didn’t give side effects last time you tried it.  That might help your growth get moving sooner especially after weight is addressed.  47 kg isn’t truly underweight though, which is 46 kg.  Unless you have a bit of muscle.

It’s not that important but if you had your bust measurements before the weight loss it would be helpful.  Even if your hormones put more in your butt than your chest, anything more in the chest would be a positive sign that there aren’t a lot of obstacles and that more growth is possible.  What you have right now even with the minor issues above is already somewhat of a positive sign.

I think:

• See foods in my signature link
  
• So much protein is probably shrinking your boobs and isn’t leaving as much room for growth and other nutrients.  Large amounts of protein can reduce estrogen and progesterone and shrink boobs regardless of nutrients too.  Both in studies and countless anecdotal stories.  And they didn’t always go extreme, just very high.  A little is good but with whole foods it’s almost impossible to not get enough.  If you do bulky muscle building workouts and not just cardio and toning you can have a little more protein as long as there is room for the suggested foods.  Keep in mind even grains, vegetables and fruit have protein and it all adds up.  Drop whey protein for sure and reduce dairy including yogurt to 1 serving (most yogurt is fake, excess calcium reduces your vitamin D and body calcium levels in studies).  Maybe drop red meat and chicken, maybe reduce eggs to 1-2, depending on workout muscle goals.  Brown rice and salmon are great.  120g of meat and eggs is enough, and an egg is 60g.  A little more if increasing muscle bulk and not just toning.
  
• Almonds are great, other nuts good, fresh berries are great but dried are worthless (including so called “super” foods), spirulina is great, veggies are great.  Most fruits besides berries and including apples are low in nutrition.  Maybe apples had good marketing?  Citrus and bananas are ok.  The food list in my signature should cover your minimum needs but a little more of what is there or more seeds and vegetables are nice and certainly don’t hurt.  Veggies alone without seeds is pretty difficult because often you’d need around 0.5-1 kg a day if they are not on my signature list.  3/4 lb of the ones in my signature list is 350g btw.
  
• Shoot for a weight of 52 kg or at least 50 kg.  50-55 kg is supposed to be the ideal for your height and up to 61 is ok.  If you have any muscle then shoot for more than 50-55.  A little bit of belly is normal but if you don’t like the effect on your stomach you can try a waist trainer, or a lot of ab workouts may help tone too.  Nbe herbs may lead to a little weight gain so it probably won’t be hard.
  
• Supplements
  • 500 mg PM days 2-21
    
  • 150 mg PC days 8-28.  You’ve done 500 mg PM before without side effects so I think it will be fine.  If 20 days causes trouble then go back down to PM days 2-14 and PC 15-28.  Those with an actual hormone imbalance in PC forums do 200-300 mg PC or rarely 500-600 mg.  You aren’t that imbalanced so between P that is a little bit low and balancing out the PM, I think 150 mg PC is about right.  Like I said an imbalance on either side stalls growth or rarely causes shrinkage.  But raising both while working towards balance is the best for growth.  And there are lots of stories of major growth on all progestin BC (very strong synthetic progesterone) and PM.
    
  • 1-2 tbsp whole fenugreek seeds.  Soak in water at least 4 hours or overnight, drain, rinse, snack.  Start at 1 tbsp and after at least a week if there are no issues you can do 2.  Maybe 3 if it doesn’t upset your stomach and everything’s fine.  Since you can’t find a 50% saponin extract.  Fenugreek helps with estrogen, progesterone and many misc. hormones.  It helps you make more and/or increases sensitivity to them; it’s not clear but in studies it seems to work with whatever your body makes naturally.  It tends to promote hormonal balance, hormonal health and general health and rarely has side effects so it’s helpful for almost everyone.  Except the hypoglycemic since it also affects insulin (good for diabetics and most people in general).
    
  • 320 mg saw palmetto extract.  Minor nbe benefits, may reduce DHT a little (“bad” T), side effects very rare.  Plus may reduce acne, which other herbs might increase.  If you still have issues such as acne you can add 5-10g spearmint tea to reduce all T (regular and DHT), but otherwise I wouldn’t bother with spearmint.  Regular T does help with workouts and other things.
    
  • 1,500 mg freeze dried aloe capsules.  If it’s not fresh off the plant or freeze dried the active compounds quickly degrade and disappear.  If it’s not capsules watch out for cosmetic grade (external use only) or aloe with green laxative parts.  Stimulates collagen production and may imitate IGF-1 and HGH.  Many other huge benefits too.
    
  • 2,500 mg whole mucuna pruriens (not extract) or 500 mg 15% L-DOPA mucuna pruriens extract, or equivalent.  Don’t take 2,500 mg of a strong extract or it might be unfun for a few hours, though nothing serious.  Wouldn’t hurt just in case your prolactin is high, and if prolactin is too low it doesn’t impede growth much.  You can always drop it later after growing if you find you don’t need it.  This is a low amount too.
    
• Hopefully you’ll get growth a lot sooner but be patient in case it takes as much as 8 months to get 2 cm.  I don’t think you have major obstacles so I’m hoping for something 2-4 months after reaching a weight of at least 50 kg.
  

If it looks like you might grow too much then you can reduce amounts as you get close to your goal size.  But for now I think the goal is only to figure out how you can grow at all, as long as there aren’t side effects.  Besides being unpleasant, side effects may indicate an issue that’s in the way of growth, so reduce herb amounts if so.  After more months on the food list you may be able to try raising the reduced herbs back up again.  Whatever the reason, if you need to reduce something then PM and PC should be reduced first.  Since PM is the most likely to cause side effects and PC should be balanced with it to grow.  For example to 0 mg PM and 50 mg PC. 

Let me know if you have any questions or if you have trouble finding anything and need an alternative.