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Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking Herbs...
August 9 2009 at 8:21 AM Marie (no login)
Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking herbs that are estrogenic like fennel, fenugreek, soy products, PM etc after you ovulate while your body is producing its own estrogen and progesterone? And start taking them again once your period starts or shortly thereafter while your estrogen is very low.
Common sense would say that these phytoestrogens make our own esrogen weaker during the luteal phase.
So just wondering why most advice taking the estrogenic herbs every day. Aren't our bodies own estrogen and progertone actully much stronger than the phytoestrogens?
Just curious. I rarely see people talking about this.
I say this becausa I had been massaging one breast during my last luteal phase with fennel, soy cream and fenugreek b/c i wanted it to catch up in size to the other breast and noticed that it was actually getting smaller. But these same oils massaged in just after my period seemed to puff me up.
Your thughts?
Moon
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Re: Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking Herbs...
August 9 2009, 11:28 PM
Our own estrgen is stronger, but we have many more receptors than we have hormones which is why we can increase total estrogenic actions even with weaker phytoestrogens as well - up to a certian dose. But theory is not so well understood yet, practice tells us a lot more in NBE than theory does and practice says phytoestrgens work.
Wahaika
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Re: Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking Herbs...
August 9 2009, 11:47 PM
Yep, there is an excellent argument for that with one modification. It is done fairly regular with some PM products. However I think that the women who have tried it have ended up with cycle problems as a result.
Try using just fenugreek extract and borage oil to do the catch up.
August 9 2009 at 8:21 AM Marie (no login)
Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking herbs that are estrogenic like fennel, fenugreek, soy products, PM etc after you ovulate while your body is producing its own estrogen and progesterone? And start taking them again once your period starts or shortly thereafter while your estrogen is very low.
Common sense would say that these phytoestrogens make our own esrogen weaker during the luteal phase.
So just wondering why most advice taking the estrogenic herbs every day. Aren't our bodies own estrogen and progertone actully much stronger than the phytoestrogens?
Just curious. I rarely see people talking about this.
I say this becausa I had been massaging one breast during my last luteal phase with fennel, soy cream and fenugreek b/c i wanted it to catch up in size to the other breast and noticed that it was actually getting smaller. But these same oils massaged in just after my period seemed to puff me up.
Your thughts?
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking Herbs...
August 9 2009, 11:28 PM
Our own estrgen is stronger, but we have many more receptors than we have hormones which is why we can increase total estrogenic actions even with weaker phytoestrogens as well - up to a certian dose. But theory is not so well understood yet, practice tells us a lot more in NBE than theory does and practice says phytoestrgens work.
Wahaika
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Doesn't it make more sense to stop taking Herbs...
August 9 2009, 11:47 PM
Yep, there is an excellent argument for that with one modification. It is done fairly regular with some PM products. However I think that the women who have tried it have ended up with cycle problems as a result.
Try using just fenugreek extract and borage oil to do the catch up.