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Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007 at 4:35 PM Wahaika (Login Wahaika)
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Hello ladies,
It has been a long time since I have asked anyone these two questions. I would like to see if anything has changed and begin the discovery of how mature women can grow breasts while completely avoiding meat, milk, or eggs. This includes beef, chicken, pork, milk, eggs. It is my observation that it has not been done.
Q1: How many cup sizes/inches did you grow?
Q2: Did/do you eat any of the above mentioned animal products? Which ones?
Thanks!
Wahaika
P.S. If you want to discuss this thread, let's do it in another thread. Please leave this one to responses to the questions, only.
Anna
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 5:01 PM
Wahaika,
I used to be a vegetarian during my teens and now I occasionally eat meat, but only one or maximum two times a week. My NBE attempts DID NOT work. I do take protein shakes and eat lots of cheese, so there's certainly nothing wrong with my protein intake
Good luck with your research,
Anna
Surf
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 6:34 PM
Q1: I've grown over 5 inches (from 32" across naked breasts to over 37" across naked breasts).
Q2: I eat a lot of red meat (sometimes 5 times a week). I also eat chicken, pork and eggs. I drink whole milk.
Edit to post: I would like to add that I've not gained any weight. In fact, I've lost a few pounds (about 5 lbs). Over the last few months, I've made a concentrated effort to gain more muscle and tone by working out more at the gym. I've had my body fat measured and have lost several points of body fat through my current gym program.
This message has been edited by Surf. on Mar 10, 2007 6:52 PM
Corrie
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 6:43 PM
I've grown about 2 inches in about 4 months. This is translating to about one cup size (went from a B cup to a C cup).
Prior to starting NBE, I ate meat, but only chicken and fish. Since starting NBE, I have been eating beef several times a week (as much as possible, really, even though I don't like it). I've also been drinking whole milk and making protein shakes with whole milk.
Intuitively, I feel that for my body heavy building block foods are necessary for NBE. However, I have to add that I have also gained at least 6 pounds, and have gained a lot in my butt, thighs and tummy, as well as in my boobs. So, I think that I may have to accept being curvier all over, although I do plan to increase my exercise regimen to try to tone these areas.
I'd like to add though, that all bodies are different, so what works for me isn't necessarily right for everyone.
Thanks for the survey, it's interesting.
michelle choi
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Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 8:36 PM
1. I've went from 32AA to 32C, grown 4.5inches in 12months
2. I eat red meat about once a week at most, eat eggs about 1-2x a week, lots of chicken and pork weekly, and drink 2% milk everyday
Myjourney
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March 10 2007, 9:27 PM
hmm. I have been thinking about this. When I was a teenager, I started being vegetarian at about age 12. So, I wonder if that had an effect on my lack of growth. I definately wasn't good about getting proper protein...although I did eat a lot of tofu.
lil dunny
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 12:51 AM
a poorly designed survey, i hate to say. there just aren't enough complete vegetarians to either prove or disprove your hypothesis... on this forum by the most generous estimate 3-5% of all users may be vegetarians. then, of women who visit here not all that many have had significant growth - maybe you'll have 10 or so women say they've had significant size increases. now if we assume just for a second that among growers the same percent are veg as aren't, what's 5% of 10 women? 1/2 a woman?
lil dunny
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:04 AM
i will also point out that i _am_ seeing good results, though at this point not quantified in inches or cup sizes, while on a vegan diet.
Tina s.
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Grow
March 11 2007, 1:10 AM
I have heard that you can grow allot faster in the breast area when you eat allot of red meats that have been injected hormones. Especially when you are a teenager. I personally took natureday.com and I was mad that it did not work for me at first. But then I grew 1 inch.
Tina
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:24 AM
What is NBA???
Sissy
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:03 PM
NBA = Natural Breast Augmentation?? Is this the system that uses magnets and accupressure?
NBE = Natural Breast Enhancement
This message has been edited by sissy2345 on Mar 11, 2007 1:12 PM
Sissy
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:06 PM
I just started growing, so I'm probably not qualified to answer yet, but I eat chicken average 2-3x weekly, occasionally beef and pork. I do drink milk, and protien mix daily, which the protein is from animals isn't it?
Lisa
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 5:57 PM
Haven't measured lately, but at last measure about 6 weeks into NBE I had gained half an inch. I've gone from an A cup to a B cup so far. I do eat meat, mainly beef and chicken (lean for both) and occasionally pork. I also eat fish. I drink non-fat milk and I occasionally eat eggs.
*of interest: when my daughter was around 1 year old I noticed her breast tissue always looked puffy and I asked her pediatrician about this. He said that it's common to see and is thought to be due to the "hormones" in milk. He suggested that I transfer her to organic milk, and when I did the puffiness disappeared. This could indicate that partially due to hormones in the meat and dairy we consume breast tissue can grow? But there's validity to the point that it's the protein and some fat, etc. that's contributing to the growth too.
faerycat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:19 PM
I've grown 3 inches since starting NBE and I never eat red meat, cheese, milk or eggs......oooh gag!!
I do eat lots of oily fish such as sardines, nuts, seeds and quorn which I guess are all high in protein, as well as green leafy things and salads.
I don't think that synthetic hormones found in the mass produced food chain can be good for us in the long term. But then that is another debate.
Love
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sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:57 PM
way to go fairiecat! i also eat sardines all the time, and other sources of non-animal protein. I have grown in less than three weeks by about an inch, and i eat no red meat or eggs. that is just because i do not like them. and yes fairiecat - mass produced agriculture and meat production is another debate that I wish more people were aware of. I agree with the vegan poster - this survey is too limited to really give us a sense of the lack of effectiveness in nbe in avoiding animal products or vice versa. There are far more meat-eaters than vegetarians on this board, and on any board besides perhaps one about animal rights or vegetarian receipes. Most of my female friends have been vegetarian since early adolescence and happen to have DD's. There just may not be enough vegetarians on this board to give an accurate portrayal. I barely eat meat, but I do on occassion and have experienced measurable growth already. And by on occassion, I mean maybe once a month, and it is never red. I do eat fish several times a week.
Epiphany
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 9:43 AM
Q1. I have grown a full cup size.
Q2. I followed a high protein diet, but more milk and cheese than meat or eggs. I'm not sure that this was helpful, but how can you know for sure one way or the other?
flatkat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 10:36 AM
i was just thinking about this today, but the two vegetarians who i know both have giant breasts, in comparison to their tiny frames, although that might just be genetics...DAMN GENETICS
faerycat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 12:03 PM
Well if genetics played such a great part, I should have massive hooters....lol.
My mother has, sisters have, nieces do, both grandmas did......all non meat eaters with small frames.
Before finding vitex, I was always plagued with troublesome skin. I used to joke that when the body parts were being allocated, I joined the wrong queue assuming they were dishing out tits and not zits *big sigh* lol!!!
I recall a study done years ago where they concluded that women with bigger breasts had lower IQ's and that small breasted women were smarter by far. I quite liked that study......lol!!!
x
sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 12:55 PM
whoa! i want to see this study! (i hope we don't find some study out there that says nbe causes a dip in iq points :/). it would make me feel better after reading some crap on the internet about how men are more attracted to women of average to below average height since i am 5'9"! never thought about my height before and always thought of being tall as a really good thing. this stupid study said taller women had more difficulty reproducing. i don't know about that. my family is from the mountain range that runs across southeastern europe - slovenia, croatia, serbia, montenegro - and they are the tallest people in the world. taller than the dutch. my brother is 6'6". from what i've seen, i don't think people in that part of the world have any problems reproducing. or the dutch. i think i'll choose to pick and choose which pseudo-scientific studies i want to believe and not believe based upon where i fit in the picture!
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 3:36 PM
Perhaps a more accurate survey would be one asking any vegetarians to speak up and say if they grew on NBE or not. Veggies who already have big breasts are a different animal, so to speak.
I've been around for about a year and a half and have read this forum extensively. I have not read of a vegetarian who grew on NBE. But then, I don't know if any of them made a concerted effort to increase their protein intake. I suppose the only option for a veggie adding significant of protein would be soy protein isolate, and soy's effects on BE are questionable.
lil dunny
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source of veg protein
March 12 2007, 9:23 PM
hemp seeds!
http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/hemp/seedprot.htm
more protein by volume than chicken or beef
littlelibrarian
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Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 12:37 AM
I eat an egg everyday, am a careless eater (I skip meals), occasionally have meat (chicken of beef) and have grown 1 inch but that's it - lots of tingles but no more growth.
L2
lil dunny
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faerycat
March 13 2007, 3:43 AM
very glad to see that someone had good success without eating meat or dairy
now i'll take it upon myself to prove that it's possible to grow without eating fish either - just give me some time!
bonnette
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 8:53 AM
i don't eat red meat but occasionally fish and chicken.Haven't had any growth yet
. Was strict vegetarian in my late teens which could be the reason for my sad breast area.
Anonymous
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 3:40 PM
i took wonderup for 5 months, had barely any protein and grew only half an inch. I recently changed to single herbs, aim for 50grams+ of protein a day and have grown an inch in a month. I've also stopped smoking and stopped taking the contraceptive pill, so who can say which has helped!
violet
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 10:51 PM
q1. I'd say maybe 1/2" on the sides, in general they have filled out quite a bit. But I have gained weight too, at least 6lbs.
q2.I eat pretty much everything: red meat, white meat, fish, soy, eggs ... even sugary stuff once in a while. . Never drank much milk in my youth and still don't drink, as it doesn't seem to agree with me. I'm 5'6, all women in my family are a lot shorter.
I'd like to add the following:
My maternal grandma spent her youth in a village where they'd only eat fresh fish, when moved to the city, she started eating meat, the only thing she gained, in her own words, was disgusting, painful, pimples. She had always been a C cup.
My parternal grandmother never had more than a A until she had her second kid, then went to a B. Went to a DD with age, and weight (obviously).
I was a vegetarian in my late teens for 2 years 8I'd still eat eggs once per week, though). I have always been fairly thin, so I'm not too sure if it's a matter of development or just not getting the right tweak in hormones in a way that fat distribution contemplates the breasts a bit more.
What i do know is that after a certain age around 19 they have shrunk a bit, and more of my weight started going more to my bottom half, mainly: hips/butt/thighs/knees. I was a vegetarian for 2 years, since I was 16-18, and during that time I was a lot more thin, and my boobs were much more fuller, they'd stand out, although never being big. I think they have achieved that size now...but my bottom half can't be compared, although I can no way near say I'm fat. Only less proportionate.
Edit:
I'd also like to add, that -okay, this may be completely BS but- there are so many asian women that are so tiny and have B cups, as far as I know, in those countries soy is eaten a lot. So it can't be that bad for NBE, considering they don't have much fat and are quite proportionate...might be it's just me though.... since ideally I'd like to get to a large B without putting more weight in my bottom half.
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 13, 2007 11:45 PM
Tessica
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 11:22 PM
I became a vegetarian when I was 14, and before then I was completely flat as a board. It wasn't until I was 14 or 15 that I grew any boobs at all. As it is, I'm the most well endowed of any of the women in my family, and I am the only strict vegetarian. I just started my program so I can't say if I'll have any success or not, but I do think it is ridiculous to say that NBE will not work for vegetarians. There are many, many reasons why you don't see many vegetarians who have success stories. For one thing, most people are NOT vegetarians, so the chances of finding a veg. who is doing NBE is small. Second, NBE doesn't work for everybody. Of those for whom NBE DOES work, very few will see fantastic results (ie. growth of 2 or 3 cups or more). Many factors are at work, and I doubt there is enough evidence to suggest that one has to eat meat and dairy for NBE to work for them. As long as the person eats a healthy diet and gets enough protein and iron, why should there be any problem?
sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:33 AM
i agree terissina. there is nothing out there regarding nbe that says non-animal sources of protein are insufficient or inferior for growth. i just think it is discouraging to those who live a vegetarian lifestyle to say that they aren't going to grow. there is nothing to substantiate that at all, and the person who created this thread made it quite clear in another post that that it is their belief that vegetarians cannot grow with nbe. so what is the purpose? this survey will be as biased as the person's opinion in regard to the question being asked. there are many good non-animal protein sources out there. walnuts have a great amount of essential fatty acids, which many people on nbe take in supplement form. i just think there are a great amount of non-animal protein sources, and those who do not eat meat and animal products should not be discouraged.
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 1:58 PM
The opinion that vegetarians do not grow well on BE is not something pulled out of the air or something that came about because there are so few vegetarians out there. It came from someone who has been around NBE'ers a LONG TIME and who tries to help and encourage people and also tries to use evidence from people's growth to determine what works. To say "No no, this can't be true, it's not fair!" is to stick your head in the sand. Go read the hundreds of routines/stats on the BE Board. The vast majority of vegetarians who tried to grow have FAILED. Period. I know this, Wahaika knows this, and anyone who has read the BE Board archives knows this. You can speculate all you wish, but the evidence is right there.
If you are a vegetarian, by all means spend a few hours reading what these women tried. Find out what's missing and see if you can fix that for yourself. It may well be the difference between failure and success, and who knows- you might find the key for other vegetarians to grow well in the future. Wouldn't that be great?
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 2:35 PM
I don't see this how this poll would honestly work considering how few vegans/vegetarians there are in relation to omnivores/people who eat cheese.
However, in your attempt to prove yourself right it will since most people eat meat. =)
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 2:42 PM
My last post was to Waihika, by the way. =P
Lillea
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:11 PM
I find this site to be very helpful in examining vegetarian/vegan diets from a scientific and historical perspective. The articles are written by people who have been or are still vegetarians:
http://www.beyondveg.com/
This message has been edited by Lillea on Mar 14, 2007 3:12 PM
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:15 PM
Thanks for the link, lilea. I think I've read there before & it's quite interesting.
Just so the vegetarians know, I'm not against your diet/lifestyle choice. Please don't think I'm attacking that. I want everyone to grow and I think it's important that we don't gloss over the difficulties vegetarians have on BE.
Anonymous
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 7:13 PM
I don't mean to be negative here but, as the percentage of girls (vegans or not)with amazing results (I mean like Michelle Choi, Eve, Faerycat, Tiger Lily..) is rather low, and the percentage of girls that are vegans is also low, so this thread can not lead us to any (statistical) proof...
gingerD
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 7:45 PM
Its good to see people exploring their theories so here goes
Q1-Iv grown abit no accurate messurments im afraid
Q2.i have always eaten loads of meat all kinds, black pudding and the whole shabang,eat eggs 2-3 times a week, milk-only in tea, cheese a couple
If genetics were to be right i would also have much bigger hooters-which i don't
But unfortunatly even though iv answered the question in my opinion i don't think the question works,its as relevnt as did you eat bean sprouts or haricott beans (both high in protein)?u would still find a percentage of people who grew/or didnt whilst eating either item but it doesnt determin anything
i agree that diet may factor in NBE and wether it will work but i think it is a major combination or alot of things-hireditary/Genetics/diet/processed foods/lifestyle/age/BCP/smoking/drinking/stress/mental state of mind/pregnency/breastfeeding (where applicable)/age began puberty/build/stats etc etc
and im sorry even though requested im not starting another thread to discuss another thread -im not trying to be disrespectful Wahika but it doesnt make sence to do that.
GD
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Thank you!
March 14 2007, 8:26 PM
Thank you Wahaika for bringing this interesting subject up.
I think it is important to try and analyse what factors help growth, and what factors that make growth difficult.
If a vegan/vegetarian diet slows, or prevent NBE growth, it's good to find out. However, we have too few people here that are on a vegetarian diet to draw any conclusions from their results. I think it is equally important to find out if other lifestyle factors or food items can hinder growth.
This thread is not an attack on vegetarians - it raises an important question that we mustn't ignore. Wahaika is trying to help us find out and pinpoint the very things that affect NBE. Just keep an open mind to new ideas concerning NBE that might contradict previous beliefs, it is in your own interest.
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 9:44 PM
The big BUT here is that you won't find a vegetarian who has had significant growth. I didn't say you won't find a lot, I said you won't find any.
I'd love to be proven wrong...
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 10:41 PM
Buffee look at faerycat, although she does eat fish, she's had significant growth.
And the reason I think so few vegetarians have had success is A) we keep being told we won't (it discourages us, remember much of this is mind over matter) B) A lot of us are on the thin side C) we don't get all the extra hormones and **** that are in meat and dairy these days. Which of course is good for us! Unless you want to grow breasts (unhealthily) and D) There aren't many of us! NBE is difficult for EVERYONE! Of course it's going to be difficult for veg*ns too especially if there's 1 out of every 10th woman here, our chances are lower, expectantly.
I am interested in finding out the truth too, whether it is indeed impossible to grow breasts on a vegan diet or not, but I don't like the attitude that some people have towards us, how we are berated (Waihika!) for simply being a vegan and trying to grow breasts. It's so discouraging.. I feel like we're being treated more as "guilty until proved innocent" rather than "innocent until proven guilty".
Kate
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 15 2007, 12:29 AM
My sister grew as an adult without eating meat, but she didn't go the herbal route. She mostly grew from soy.
This message has been edited by Teresina on Mar 15, 2007 12:59 AM
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 15 2007, 2:19 PM
Well, I don't want to discourage vegetarians and I especially respect you, Alcest, because you seem to have done your homework. I just can't class Fearycat with veggies because she did eat fish. (Did she drink milk or eat cheese or eggs, too?) I hope that the people who choose to follow vegetarian or vegan diets will try to concentrate more on what they're putting into their body than what they are not so that they can grow too. And I really wish that if there was a vegetarian/vegan out there who grew even one cup size, that they would speak up and let people know what kind of diet they used during BE. That would really be helpful.
Keep in mind that it's not necessarily just hormones added to out meat that help us grow. If that were the case, the meat-eaters would have big boobs already. It could be anything. From certain amino acids to the ratio of protein to carbs in the diet. Who knows? I eat a meat that was raised by 4-H kids right where I live. Trust me, they don't inject them with anything or feed them special formulas. They eat what my horses eat, basically.
March 10 2007 at 4:35 PM Wahaika (Login Wahaika)
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Hello ladies,
It has been a long time since I have asked anyone these two questions. I would like to see if anything has changed and begin the discovery of how mature women can grow breasts while completely avoiding meat, milk, or eggs. This includes beef, chicken, pork, milk, eggs. It is my observation that it has not been done.
Q1: How many cup sizes/inches did you grow?
Q2: Did/do you eat any of the above mentioned animal products? Which ones?
Thanks!
Wahaika
P.S. If you want to discuss this thread, let's do it in another thread. Please leave this one to responses to the questions, only.
Anna
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 5:01 PM
Wahaika,
I used to be a vegetarian during my teens and now I occasionally eat meat, but only one or maximum two times a week. My NBE attempts DID NOT work. I do take protein shakes and eat lots of cheese, so there's certainly nothing wrong with my protein intake
Good luck with your research,
Anna
Surf
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 6:34 PM
Q1: I've grown over 5 inches (from 32" across naked breasts to over 37" across naked breasts).
Q2: I eat a lot of red meat (sometimes 5 times a week). I also eat chicken, pork and eggs. I drink whole milk.
Edit to post: I would like to add that I've not gained any weight. In fact, I've lost a few pounds (about 5 lbs). Over the last few months, I've made a concentrated effort to gain more muscle and tone by working out more at the gym. I've had my body fat measured and have lost several points of body fat through my current gym program.
This message has been edited by Surf. on Mar 10, 2007 6:52 PM
Corrie
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 6:43 PM
I've grown about 2 inches in about 4 months. This is translating to about one cup size (went from a B cup to a C cup).
Prior to starting NBE, I ate meat, but only chicken and fish. Since starting NBE, I have been eating beef several times a week (as much as possible, really, even though I don't like it). I've also been drinking whole milk and making protein shakes with whole milk.
Intuitively, I feel that for my body heavy building block foods are necessary for NBE. However, I have to add that I have also gained at least 6 pounds, and have gained a lot in my butt, thighs and tummy, as well as in my boobs. So, I think that I may have to accept being curvier all over, although I do plan to increase my exercise regimen to try to tone these areas.
I'd like to add though, that all bodies are different, so what works for me isn't necessarily right for everyone.
Thanks for the survey, it's interesting.
michelle choi
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Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 10 2007, 8:36 PM
1. I've went from 32AA to 32C, grown 4.5inches in 12months
2. I eat red meat about once a week at most, eat eggs about 1-2x a week, lots of chicken and pork weekly, and drink 2% milk everyday
Myjourney
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meat
March 10 2007, 9:27 PM
hmm. I have been thinking about this. When I was a teenager, I started being vegetarian at about age 12. So, I wonder if that had an effect on my lack of growth. I definately wasn't good about getting proper protein...although I did eat a lot of tofu.
lil dunny
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 12:51 AM
a poorly designed survey, i hate to say. there just aren't enough complete vegetarians to either prove or disprove your hypothesis... on this forum by the most generous estimate 3-5% of all users may be vegetarians. then, of women who visit here not all that many have had significant growth - maybe you'll have 10 or so women say they've had significant size increases. now if we assume just for a second that among growers the same percent are veg as aren't, what's 5% of 10 women? 1/2 a woman?
lil dunny
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:04 AM
i will also point out that i _am_ seeing good results, though at this point not quantified in inches or cup sizes, while on a vegan diet.
Tina s.
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Grow
March 11 2007, 1:10 AM
I have heard that you can grow allot faster in the breast area when you eat allot of red meats that have been injected hormones. Especially when you are a teenager. I personally took natureday.com and I was mad that it did not work for me at first. But then I grew 1 inch.
Tina
Anonymous
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:24 AM
What is NBA???
Sissy
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:03 PM
NBA = Natural Breast Augmentation?? Is this the system that uses magnets and accupressure?
NBE = Natural Breast Enhancement
This message has been edited by sissy2345 on Mar 11, 2007 1:12 PM
Sissy
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 1:06 PM
I just started growing, so I'm probably not qualified to answer yet, but I eat chicken average 2-3x weekly, occasionally beef and pork. I do drink milk, and protien mix daily, which the protein is from animals isn't it?
Lisa
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 5:57 PM
Haven't measured lately, but at last measure about 6 weeks into NBE I had gained half an inch. I've gone from an A cup to a B cup so far. I do eat meat, mainly beef and chicken (lean for both) and occasionally pork. I also eat fish. I drink non-fat milk and I occasionally eat eggs.
*of interest: when my daughter was around 1 year old I noticed her breast tissue always looked puffy and I asked her pediatrician about this. He said that it's common to see and is thought to be due to the "hormones" in milk. He suggested that I transfer her to organic milk, and when I did the puffiness disappeared. This could indicate that partially due to hormones in the meat and dairy we consume breast tissue can grow? But there's validity to the point that it's the protein and some fat, etc. that's contributing to the growth too.
faerycat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:19 PM
I've grown 3 inches since starting NBE and I never eat red meat, cheese, milk or eggs......oooh gag!!
I do eat lots of oily fish such as sardines, nuts, seeds and quorn which I guess are all high in protein, as well as green leafy things and salads.
I don't think that synthetic hormones found in the mass produced food chain can be good for us in the long term. But then that is another debate.
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sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 11 2007, 11:57 PM
way to go fairiecat! i also eat sardines all the time, and other sources of non-animal protein. I have grown in less than three weeks by about an inch, and i eat no red meat or eggs. that is just because i do not like them. and yes fairiecat - mass produced agriculture and meat production is another debate that I wish more people were aware of. I agree with the vegan poster - this survey is too limited to really give us a sense of the lack of effectiveness in nbe in avoiding animal products or vice versa. There are far more meat-eaters than vegetarians on this board, and on any board besides perhaps one about animal rights or vegetarian receipes. Most of my female friends have been vegetarian since early adolescence and happen to have DD's. There just may not be enough vegetarians on this board to give an accurate portrayal. I barely eat meat, but I do on occassion and have experienced measurable growth already. And by on occassion, I mean maybe once a month, and it is never red. I do eat fish several times a week.
Epiphany
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 9:43 AM
Q1. I have grown a full cup size.
Q2. I followed a high protein diet, but more milk and cheese than meat or eggs. I'm not sure that this was helpful, but how can you know for sure one way or the other?
flatkat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 10:36 AM
i was just thinking about this today, but the two vegetarians who i know both have giant breasts, in comparison to their tiny frames, although that might just be genetics...DAMN GENETICS
faerycat
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 12:03 PM
Well if genetics played such a great part, I should have massive hooters....lol.
My mother has, sisters have, nieces do, both grandmas did......all non meat eaters with small frames.
Before finding vitex, I was always plagued with troublesome skin. I used to joke that when the body parts were being allocated, I joined the wrong queue assuming they were dishing out tits and not zits *big sigh* lol!!!
I recall a study done years ago where they concluded that women with bigger breasts had lower IQ's and that small breasted women were smarter by far. I quite liked that study......lol!!!
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sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 12:55 PM
whoa! i want to see this study! (i hope we don't find some study out there that says nbe causes a dip in iq points :/). it would make me feel better after reading some crap on the internet about how men are more attracted to women of average to below average height since i am 5'9"! never thought about my height before and always thought of being tall as a really good thing. this stupid study said taller women had more difficulty reproducing. i don't know about that. my family is from the mountain range that runs across southeastern europe - slovenia, croatia, serbia, montenegro - and they are the tallest people in the world. taller than the dutch. my brother is 6'6". from what i've seen, i don't think people in that part of the world have any problems reproducing. or the dutch. i think i'll choose to pick and choose which pseudo-scientific studies i want to believe and not believe based upon where i fit in the picture!
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 12 2007, 3:36 PM
Perhaps a more accurate survey would be one asking any vegetarians to speak up and say if they grew on NBE or not. Veggies who already have big breasts are a different animal, so to speak.
I've been around for about a year and a half and have read this forum extensively. I have not read of a vegetarian who grew on NBE. But then, I don't know if any of them made a concerted effort to increase their protein intake. I suppose the only option for a veggie adding significant of protein would be soy protein isolate, and soy's effects on BE are questionable.
lil dunny
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source of veg protein
March 12 2007, 9:23 PM
hemp seeds!
http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/hemp/seedprot.htm
more protein by volume than chicken or beef
littlelibrarian
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Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 12:37 AM
I eat an egg everyday, am a careless eater (I skip meals), occasionally have meat (chicken of beef) and have grown 1 inch but that's it - lots of tingles but no more growth.
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lil dunny
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faerycat
March 13 2007, 3:43 AM
very glad to see that someone had good success without eating meat or dairy
now i'll take it upon myself to prove that it's possible to grow without eating fish either - just give me some time!
bonnette
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 8:53 AM
i don't eat red meat but occasionally fish and chicken.Haven't had any growth yet
. Was strict vegetarian in my late teens which could be the reason for my sad breast area.Anonymous
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 3:40 PM
i took wonderup for 5 months, had barely any protein and grew only half an inch. I recently changed to single herbs, aim for 50grams+ of protein a day and have grown an inch in a month. I've also stopped smoking and stopped taking the contraceptive pill, so who can say which has helped!
violet
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 10:51 PM
q1. I'd say maybe 1/2" on the sides, in general they have filled out quite a bit. But I have gained weight too, at least 6lbs.
q2.I eat pretty much everything: red meat, white meat, fish, soy, eggs ... even sugary stuff once in a while. . Never drank much milk in my youth and still don't drink, as it doesn't seem to agree with me. I'm 5'6, all women in my family are a lot shorter.
I'd like to add the following:
My maternal grandma spent her youth in a village where they'd only eat fresh fish, when moved to the city, she started eating meat, the only thing she gained, in her own words, was disgusting, painful, pimples. She had always been a C cup.
My parternal grandmother never had more than a A until she had her second kid, then went to a B. Went to a DD with age, and weight (obviously).
I was a vegetarian in my late teens for 2 years 8I'd still eat eggs once per week, though). I have always been fairly thin, so I'm not too sure if it's a matter of development or just not getting the right tweak in hormones in a way that fat distribution contemplates the breasts a bit more.
What i do know is that after a certain age around 19 they have shrunk a bit, and more of my weight started going more to my bottom half, mainly: hips/butt/thighs/knees. I was a vegetarian for 2 years, since I was 16-18, and during that time I was a lot more thin, and my boobs were much more fuller, they'd stand out, although never being big. I think they have achieved that size now...but my bottom half can't be compared, although I can no way near say I'm fat. Only less proportionate.
Edit:
I'd also like to add, that -okay, this may be completely BS but- there are so many asian women that are so tiny and have B cups, as far as I know, in those countries soy is eaten a lot. So it can't be that bad for NBE, considering they don't have much fat and are quite proportionate...might be it's just me though.... since ideally I'd like to get to a large B without putting more weight in my bottom half.
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 13, 2007 11:45 PM
Tessica
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 13 2007, 11:22 PM
I became a vegetarian when I was 14, and before then I was completely flat as a board. It wasn't until I was 14 or 15 that I grew any boobs at all. As it is, I'm the most well endowed of any of the women in my family, and I am the only strict vegetarian. I just started my program so I can't say if I'll have any success or not, but I do think it is ridiculous to say that NBE will not work for vegetarians. There are many, many reasons why you don't see many vegetarians who have success stories. For one thing, most people are NOT vegetarians, so the chances of finding a veg. who is doing NBE is small. Second, NBE doesn't work for everybody. Of those for whom NBE DOES work, very few will see fantastic results (ie. growth of 2 or 3 cups or more). Many factors are at work, and I doubt there is enough evidence to suggest that one has to eat meat and dairy for NBE to work for them. As long as the person eats a healthy diet and gets enough protein and iron, why should there be any problem?
sophie9
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:33 AM
i agree terissina. there is nothing out there regarding nbe that says non-animal sources of protein are insufficient or inferior for growth. i just think it is discouraging to those who live a vegetarian lifestyle to say that they aren't going to grow. there is nothing to substantiate that at all, and the person who created this thread made it quite clear in another post that that it is their belief that vegetarians cannot grow with nbe. so what is the purpose? this survey will be as biased as the person's opinion in regard to the question being asked. there are many good non-animal protein sources out there. walnuts have a great amount of essential fatty acids, which many people on nbe take in supplement form. i just think there are a great amount of non-animal protein sources, and those who do not eat meat and animal products should not be discouraged.
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 1:58 PM
The opinion that vegetarians do not grow well on BE is not something pulled out of the air or something that came about because there are so few vegetarians out there. It came from someone who has been around NBE'ers a LONG TIME and who tries to help and encourage people and also tries to use evidence from people's growth to determine what works. To say "No no, this can't be true, it's not fair!" is to stick your head in the sand. Go read the hundreds of routines/stats on the BE Board. The vast majority of vegetarians who tried to grow have FAILED. Period. I know this, Wahaika knows this, and anyone who has read the BE Board archives knows this. You can speculate all you wish, but the evidence is right there.
If you are a vegetarian, by all means spend a few hours reading what these women tried. Find out what's missing and see if you can fix that for yourself. It may well be the difference between failure and success, and who knows- you might find the key for other vegetarians to grow well in the future. Wouldn't that be great?
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 2:35 PM
I don't see this how this poll would honestly work considering how few vegans/vegetarians there are in relation to omnivores/people who eat cheese.
However, in your attempt to prove yourself right it will since most people eat meat. =)
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 2:42 PM
My last post was to Waihika, by the way. =P
Lillea
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:11 PM
I find this site to be very helpful in examining vegetarian/vegan diets from a scientific and historical perspective. The articles are written by people who have been or are still vegetarians:
http://www.beyondveg.com/
This message has been edited by Lillea on Mar 14, 2007 3:12 PM
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 3:15 PM
Thanks for the link, lilea. I think I've read there before & it's quite interesting.
Just so the vegetarians know, I'm not against your diet/lifestyle choice. Please don't think I'm attacking that. I want everyone to grow and I think it's important that we don't gloss over the difficulties vegetarians have on BE.
Anonymous
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 7:13 PM
I don't mean to be negative here but, as the percentage of girls (vegans or not)with amazing results (I mean like Michelle Choi, Eve, Faerycat, Tiger Lily..) is rather low, and the percentage of girls that are vegans is also low, so this thread can not lead us to any (statistical) proof...
gingerD
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 7:45 PM
Its good to see people exploring their theories so here goes
Q1-Iv grown abit no accurate messurments im afraid
Q2.i have always eaten loads of meat all kinds, black pudding and the whole shabang,eat eggs 2-3 times a week, milk-only in tea, cheese a couple
If genetics were to be right i would also have much bigger hooters-which i don't
But unfortunatly even though iv answered the question in my opinion i don't think the question works,its as relevnt as did you eat bean sprouts or haricott beans (both high in protein)?u would still find a percentage of people who grew/or didnt whilst eating either item but it doesnt determin anything
i agree that diet may factor in NBE and wether it will work but i think it is a major combination or alot of things-hireditary/Genetics/diet/processed foods/lifestyle/age/BCP/smoking/drinking/stress/mental state of mind/pregnency/breastfeeding (where applicable)/age began puberty/build/stats etc etc
and im sorry even though requested im not starting another thread to discuss another thread -im not trying to be disrespectful Wahika but it doesnt make sence to do that.
GD
anonymous
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Thank you!
March 14 2007, 8:26 PM
Thank you Wahaika for bringing this interesting subject up.
I think it is important to try and analyse what factors help growth, and what factors that make growth difficult.
If a vegan/vegetarian diet slows, or prevent NBE growth, it's good to find out. However, we have too few people here that are on a vegetarian diet to draw any conclusions from their results. I think it is equally important to find out if other lifestyle factors or food items can hinder growth.
This thread is not an attack on vegetarians - it raises an important question that we mustn't ignore. Wahaika is trying to help us find out and pinpoint the very things that affect NBE. Just keep an open mind to new ideas concerning NBE that might contradict previous beliefs, it is in your own interest.
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 9:44 PM
The big BUT here is that you won't find a vegetarian who has had significant growth. I didn't say you won't find a lot, I said you won't find any.
I'd love to be proven wrong...
Alcest
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 14 2007, 10:41 PM
Buffee look at faerycat, although she does eat fish, she's had significant growth.
And the reason I think so few vegetarians have had success is A) we keep being told we won't (it discourages us, remember much of this is mind over matter) B) A lot of us are on the thin side C) we don't get all the extra hormones and **** that are in meat and dairy these days. Which of course is good for us! Unless you want to grow breasts (unhealthily) and D) There aren't many of us! NBE is difficult for EVERYONE! Of course it's going to be difficult for veg*ns too especially if there's 1 out of every 10th woman here, our chances are lower, expectantly.
I am interested in finding out the truth too, whether it is indeed impossible to grow breasts on a vegan diet or not, but I don't like the attitude that some people have towards us, how we are berated (Waihika!) for simply being a vegan and trying to grow breasts. It's so discouraging.. I feel like we're being treated more as "guilty until proved innocent" rather than "innocent until proven guilty".
Kate
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 15 2007, 12:29 AM
My sister grew as an adult without eating meat, but she didn't go the herbal route. She mostly grew from soy.
This message has been edited by Teresina on Mar 15, 2007 12:59 AM
Buffeee
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Re: Survey: Did you grow? Did you eat meat or eggs?
March 15 2007, 2:19 PM
Well, I don't want to discourage vegetarians and I especially respect you, Alcest, because you seem to have done your homework. I just can't class Fearycat with veggies because she did eat fish. (Did she drink milk or eat cheese or eggs, too?) I hope that the people who choose to follow vegetarian or vegan diets will try to concentrate more on what they're putting into their body than what they are not so that they can grow too. And I really wish that if there was a vegetarian/vegan out there who grew even one cup size, that they would speak up and let people know what kind of diet they used during BE. That would really be helpful.
Keep in mind that it's not necessarily just hormones added to out meat that help us grow. If that were the case, the meat-eaters would have big boobs already. It could be anything. From certain amino acids to the ratio of protein to carbs in the diet. Who knows? I eat a meat that was raised by 4-H kids right where I live. Trust me, they don't inject them with anything or feed them special formulas. They eat what my horses eat, basically.