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Girls, listen to me, ok?
March 8 2007 at 5:13 AM
Carol Ann (Login Chefette)
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Girls, listen to me, ok?
I used to have a size A bra when I married my husband 21 yrs ago.
I hardly ever ate meat, and I hardly ever drank milk.Then I got pregnant with our 2nd child....and all of a sudden, I was CRAVING meat and milk and of all things, TOMATOES!!!! Along with cantaloupes and such as that. So, the main thing for you girls to do, in my opinion, is to do the following, whilst on herbs and herbal NBE, and you will see great success with your journey.... Trust me, I am a former A cupper, who is now a C cupper trying to catch up with Jelly...lol
Drink atleast 8 cups of pure water everyday
Stay away from sugar the added kind
Exercise atleast 20 minutes a day
get atleast 3 servings of natural calcium a day ( milk, cheese,ect)
Limit your red meat intake to only 1 or 2 servings a week
EAT FISH AND CHICKEN
Keep a journal of what you have eaten to check yourself
Massage morning and evening
Take your herbs at the exact same time everyday.
Eat fiber....whole grains,green veggies,or take a fiber supplement. If you take a supplement, do so at the end of your day. That way the herbs you take in the morning will NOT flush away.
But most of all, LOVE who you are. Yep, thats right....half the battle of this boobie quest is loving the person you are and being comfortable in your own skin.
My routine isn't posted because it is too complex, even for me. It all has to do with what I eat and what herbs I take. Like, watching tv with the fam, I will make soy beans for myself and have that instead of the butter, not so good for you popcorn.I am not really trying to gain boobs, I am trying to round out the ones I have and keep them. I know you all know what I mean.
But for goodness sakes, DO NOT GIVE UP!!! If WU or BGP or BS doesnt work for you, still look for another way.Maybe you CAN start by asking yourself.... Hummmm, what did I eat today ? Did I take my pills at 12 noon like I did yesterday? Consitancy pays the big boobs..... Give it a try.
Much love, and hopeful success to you all,
Carol Ann
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Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 7:13 AM
thanks for the encouragement! i've been slacking off in the health department :/
you give some really good advice...thanks! and congrats on your success!
Miss Monet
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 8:24 AM
haha yeah, i definately could eat better... it's hard, though, when you live in the dorms and the dining hall food SUCKS besides the desserts! haha
but i'll make a better effort... especially with the water intake -- i think i drink more milk than i do water! lol
Lisa
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 4:57 PM
Carol Ann,
Thank you for that post! It is all wonderful advice! I too could stand to eat more healthfully, and your words give me great encouragement. :-)
emmie
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i concur
March 8 2007, 5:28 PM
i would definitely agree with miss carol ann...
i am a cheapskate, and one thing i have found is that it is actually cheaper to eat better! thats because all of the processing in cookies and snack foods raise the price, so for the price of a box of cookies i can get a bag of salad, some toppings, and maybe even a little dressing, and that will last me a week (as opposed to the cookies, which last a few days depending on how annoyed i get at work during the day!).
this has helped me like who i am and what i look like, which is much better for the boobies than constantly wishing for something else...
so take care of yourselves, ladies!!
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 5:53 PM
I agree with most of this too. I was very thin with small boobs when I was young and skinny. After having two kids and eating more food, I was easily a B cup. Now I am about a C cup, after doing NBE, but a lot of it is not the herbs, but focusing on eating a little extra food here and there, drinking protein shakes, and doing massage. I think the herbs have helped, but slowly, and a lot of that is just firming and rounding. To be honest, I have gained at least 6 pounds through this NBE process, and I think that, at least for me, I had to be willing to gain that weight, in order to get fuller boobs.
Good luck to everyone!
jellyboobs
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 9:49 PM
Dear Carol anne, thats a lovely post and very helpful for those not taking cre of themselves !!!! as for the C's and D'c ??? I thought you were well ahead of me ??? ####!!!! lol lets have a race and the one who falls over thier boobs first is the winner ok ? wouldnt that be great love jelly....
Surf
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 10:26 PM
I would like to offer up a suggestion that one should eat read meat more than 1 time a week. I believe eating red meat is thought by some on the beboard to be very helpful with regards to NBE. In fact, I read 1 thread that said they could only recall 1 person who grew witout eating red meat.
Just a thought, not wishing to offend anyone...
Gigando growing blessings to all!
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 10:47 PM
I agree with Surf...I have been forcing myself to eat a little red meat each week, even though I don't really like it. I think its a good 'building' food. I know this is a touchy subject with some people because I was vegetarian for a long time too (many years ago). Each body is different and responds to different things, but my body has been growing better with the heavier foods.
Carol Ann
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 1:00 AM
The red meat, though, is very hard to digest and therefore stays in your body longer than other meats, like fish and chicken. It hinders the fiber from doing it's proper job while you are trying to rid yourself of unwanted toxins. Thats why I said red meat. But ,sure, if you dont have a problem with your colon,and digestive tract,which most of us do and just dont realize that, then eat red meat whenever.I for one, have to watch my red meat intake because the toots are too much for anyone to bare...and the indigestion I get from it,and the sluggish feelings makes me lazy. But thats me.
And Jelly... no baby, I was a D once upon a time... I stopped all NBE,and lost 42 pounds,so now I am a C headed in your direction,lol
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 1:51 AM
The beef connection seems complicated to me. Teresa Tapp, owner of t-tapp.com, discusses the difficulty that some have digesting it on her 'Personal Profile' CD. She did testing on people with different blood types to see how fast the various types could eliminate red meat. If I recall correctly, she claims Os and Bs have the easiest time with beef and that some even seem to need it to thrive, that they benefit a lot from the B vitamins. She also says As and ABs have trouble digesting it in a timely manner and that it can cause them more problems than it's worth.
I've no idea how true this holds for the general public and have never put much stock in the tie between blood types and diet. I'm an AB and don't fit the profile. I don't have any digestive issues, meat-related or otherwise, and react fine to beef but stopped eating it in '99. I also avoided meats as a kid and it didn't negatively affect my breast growth, but I'm sure everyone is different and genetics play a role. I grew a *lot* at a young age on a diet virtually free of animal products. Maybe it's different with BE, though.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 7:19 AM
I completely agree. After eating red meat (even before I knew about NBE) I always felt my breasts fuller due to that fact.
Also, if you read the wise information that Tigerlily and Feng. have received from the Chinese traditional ways, red meat is listed as a breast-friendly food.
I'm telling ya, if you want to grow boobs it ain't gonna happen on a limited vegetarian diet. Possible? Maybe, but it would be extremely hard.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 3:44 PM
Meat and milk does not make you instantly grow breasts, so **** off.
Secondly, I would never want to cause the suffering of other sentient beings simply so I can have breasts. Thank you very much.
I'm so sick of this wife's tale bull**** about meat. I always drank tons of milk, and ate meat every day before going vegan and I was always an A cup. What do you have to say about that?
Claire
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Alcest
March 9 2007, 3:58 PM
I only read through this site occasionally but I find the last post by Alcest to be a bit OTT. Courtesy to other opinions is what this forum seems to be about so please watch your language. Thanks.
Buffeee
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 4:14 PM
She's entitled to her opinions. Better that than have everyone on here agreeing about everything like a bunch of idiotic sheep. We've had times like that, and it's irritating as hell. That's coming from an avid meat-eater.
lazyboobies
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 4:46 PM
Carol Ann:
You are such a nice person, thanks for the advice. (sepcially the last one
I've been a little tense lately because i was expecting too much from my WU bootles, well i think im back to earth now.
i'm trying to find a diet that's boob freindly but also that will not cause me to gain weight, im not pettite (5'8) so a few pounds have a very frustrating effect on me.
Added to the list you have posted, do you think it would be a good idea to cut a few fatty foods, or maybe try to cut carbohydrates such as pasta?
The first thing i'll do is start eating chicken and fish as you suggest, becuase i havent... i only eat tons of nuts and cheese, guess not very smart for boobie growing
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 5:16 PM
Personally I have found that when I eat meat I get more tingles, it seems strange. I thought I was just wishing for boobs so bad that I had made myself fell something so I tested it...and it's definitely true for me.
gingerD
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 5:22 PM
I cant eat chicken, my bloke refuses to eat it so for the past3/4 years i havent really eated much and when i have it i don't really like the taste.
i do eat loads of red meat, always have and sadly im still an A cup, if the theory worked right i would deffo be a DD n if i was i wouldnt b here
I do agree diet is important- ithink its more important to avoid processed foods and try to eat organically when ever possible-
i had a thaught ages ago regarding why i feel the cup sizes in my family decreased in time, and we had a discussion about how "in the old days" they didnt have such overly processed foods as we do now and how the processed food intake would certainly increase through the ages, from gran, to mum to me.
gd
Surf
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 6:37 PM
For those who have said that they do or used to eat a lot of red meat and still didn't grow, maybe it was because your hormones were not balanced or there were other factors that prevented you from growing.
I'm not saying that eating red meat alone will make your boobs grow!!!! GEEZ!
All I'm saying is that it could posibly help, along with all the other things your currently doing in your personal NBE program.
Wahaika - HELP ME OUT HERE!!!
Surf
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 6:51 PM
Alcest -
Who exactly said that meat and milk do make you instantly grow breasts? I don't recall anyone saying that they did.
Thank you for expressing your opinion about not wanting to "cause the suffering of other sentient beings simply so I can have breasts". Isn't it wonderful that we have a place where we have the freedom to express our opinions? Obviously, not everyone shares the same opinion - what a dull world we would live in if in fact we did!!!
During the time when you "always drank tons of milk, and ate meat every day before going vegan and (I) was always an A cup", were you on a NBE program?
Before calling it "wife's tale bull**** about meat", maybe we should all listen to what several people have reported on this thread about feeling tingles and fuller breasts after eating red meat.
It's wonderful that we have the capacity to learn from others' experiences, if we just open our minds.
Growing boobie blessing to everyone!
lil dunny
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 7:34 PM
i've been an on-again off-again veg for a number of years, and on the vegan route since a few months ago. i don't think eating meat is necessary for a successful NBE program; and in fact going vegan has made it easy for me to eat healthy and keep my weight down without effort (i tend to gain a bit of weight, at 5'5" and < 130 lbs). one has to watch one's protein intake, it's true, but there are more protein sources out there that people realize. the standard american diet is way too heavy on protein, which causes people calcium deficiency. there are plenty of good veg protein sources, including soy, beans, nuts, seeds, pulses, many grains and even some fruit.
Henri
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Meat and Milk....................
March 9 2007, 9:26 PM
Is it possible that the "meat and milk" nowdays is so tainted with hormones that there is the potential to grow with them added into ones NBE diet. Not saying one would but there could be the potential. look at all the younger girls nowdays that have much bigger boobs then previous generations and their diets consisted of alot of milk and red meat, or at least the ones I know ~ mainly milk.........
I don't think just meat and milk will work, and I don't recommend overloading ones system with the hormones found in them today, but I can see how they could attribute to growth as it seems alot of younger girls are getting results just by larger intakes and then the onset of puberty
Just my thoughts.......
Myjourney
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hormones in meat
March 9 2007, 9:40 PM
Yes, it is true that the hormones in meat and milk (which has hgh) is causing girls and boys to mature earlier...and I agree, a lot are growing seemingly larger boobs than earlier generations. We drink hormone free milk, and my girls are not even starting to develop, although many of their peers are.
The down side is that the milk and meat hormones are not only causing maturity, they are causing obesity.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 9:45 PM
A healthy diet in moderation should not cause obesity.....................eating meat three times a week will not cause weight gain...........
violet
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 10:08 PM
Thanks for making this post Carol Ann, it's definitely very encouraging.
Regarding that anonymous comment about red meat, I think it's really distasteful to mention that a vegetarian could hardly grow during NBE, based solely on one's personal experience. Actually I have to say that when I was a vegetarian in my teens(for a period of 2 years)my boobs actually got more fuller and I didn't put on weight during that time. I also have to say, I still eat soy on a regular basis (1-4 times a week) and when I eat more soy I notice some increase in fullness. I don't really experience that with red meat so I guess everyone is different. Which makes that sort of remark a bit useless.
Regarding the hormones (and antibiotics and toxins) we get on our food nowadays, I think they're more likely to hinder any progress (please make a search under xenoestrogens) than actually improve, but that depends a lot on the person. Red meat is a great source of protein that's a known fact so it can help a great deal depending on the person and their dietary habits.
Also have to add that in what concerns one's diet, one thing that seems to kill boobage for me, is refined sugary stuff... sounds nuts but it's like the fats move to all the places they shouldn't... :S
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 9, 2007 10:20 PM
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 10:19 PM
I totally agree with those who mentioned hormones in meat. It is actually a huge problem in the United States in particular. Girls are reaching puberty at earler and earlier ages because of the the homones we give to animals. The hormones they give female cows to keep them in a state of constant lactation has actually been found to be carcinogenic. When these cows are milked, a greenish pus is released from the nipple, and actually, that goes into your milk. Canada has banned the these hormones in female cows, but he U.S. has not. The homones in conventional meat and milk products can and do create hormone imbalances. If you like meat and milk products, you should invest the extra money in buying free range and organically fed...hormone free. all large-scale commercial meat industries use hormones and antibiotics - things that you really don't want in your body.
Wahaika
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To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 2:18 AM
Hello.
Red meat has Arachidonic Acid which is a precursor to prostaglandin E2 which is a precursor to aromatase. Aromatase is a precursor to estrogen.
* aromatase + testosterone = estrogen
* PGE2 is a precursor to aromatase)
* Arachiconic Acid is a precursor to PGE2
* Red meat contains Arachiconic Acid
You can come up with all kinds of gross out stories about any food, not just meat. It is beside the point.
You can come up with all kinds of reasons not to eat US beef or drink US milk since the hormones cause problems in some girls in their development years. THE SAME IS TRUE WITH SOY!!!! It is irrelevant since we are dealing with mature women who are not in that stage of development.
BTW, the "undesirable" hormone that is found in U.S. beef is growth hormone (somatotropin if I remember right) which is something that you would definitely want in a BE program.
I asked all women on the BEBOARD one time who ate meat and who did not. The types of meat varied. All of those that were growers ate meat. All of those who did not eat meat did not grow - at that time, I now know of a single exception.
I have watched for years as vegans and vegetarians (to me there is no difference) struggle to grow at all. I am only aware of one exception and I suspect that it is because she eats eggs. The yolks contain Arachidonic Acid.
Red meat is good for BE. Nothing is good for you in excess, including water.
Moo.
Wahaika
Carol Ann
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 2:50 AM
I just hope that you girls get the encouragement you so deserve. PLEASE dont let the distasteful comments hurt you in anyway. You girls can DO IT!!! And I will try and help if I can.If I know, I will tell you.
It would be nice if some of the annon people and the attacking people could every once in awhile type something encouraging and maybe even some of the knowledge they have. COME ON FOLKS.....lets build bridges, not tear down communities
Carol Ann
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Go here
March 10 2007, 2:56 AM
go to this website and read for yourself the dangers of eating too much red meat
that is all I am gonna say about that.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=77515
violet
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 3:47 AM
Wahaika,
Even if red meat increases estrogen (which may perfectly not happen) that doesn't mean that your going to grow breasts, it's a known fact that too much estrogen can shut down the receptors before you can even start to develop.
Anyways, taken from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid):
"Some mammals lack the ability toâor have a very limited capacity toâconvert linoleic acid into arachidonic acid, making it an essential part of their diet. Since little or no arachidonic acid is found in plants, such animals are obligatory carnivores; the cat is a common example.[2][3]
Arachidonic acid in the human body comes from dietary animal sourcesâmeat, eggs, dairyâor is synthesized from linoleic acid."
"Human adults are shown to be capable of conversion of linoleic acid (LA, 18:2 n-6) to arachidonic acid (AA, 20:4 n-6) in vivo. It is confirmed that they can also convert alpha-linolenic acid (LNA, 18:3 n-3) to eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA, 20:5 n-3) and to docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6 n-3) in vivo."
So apparently, that's not a problem for vegetarians either. Also it's one of the most dangerous fats around, you don't want to get it in high amounts because it's toxic, the whole thing about GLA is because it helps to counteract the nasty effects of AA.
edit:
And soy (we only get the biologic types around here), but it's not as toxic and dangerous as meat in all aspects. It's known that can hinder growth a little in height but that's pretty much it. It's not full of carcinogenics/toxins/antibiotics/dangerous hormones. Not to mention diseases like the mad cow disease, bird flu, etc.
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 10, 2007 3:56 AM
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:41 AM
It seems like it would be possible to grow as a vegetarian, but you'd just have to work at it more, maybe? A key component of growing bigger breasts for me has simply been gaining weight, and this is of course easier when you are eating meat. But certainly not impossible for vegetarians.
Everyone is sharing such interesting information. Thank you.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:45 AM
Not to start anything but soy can contain carcinogens (lysinealine, nitrosamines) and have negative effects. It's not easily digested and can impair thyroid function, which would be bad for BE, among other things. I'm not making a case for people to stop eating soy -- I used to eat plenty of it myself and feel strongly that diet is a personal matter and everyone should be free to choose without criticism -- but I would not say it's necessarily safer than meat, just different in tersm of potential problems. I hate meat and have been a vegetarian or vegan for much of my life, but there are negative aspects of most foods, soy included. One of the issues with soy milk is that it can be so heavily processed that it lacks cystine.
Just my two cents.
This message has been edited by Teresina on Mar 10, 2007 4:49 AM
Mwiz89
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:57 AM
hey, thanks for the advice!
Marissa
waxingmoon
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Soy dangers
March 10 2007, 1:52 PM
I know it may seem that soy has less dangers than meat, but that is not the case. The following link speaks of some of the lesser know dangers of unfermented soy products.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
Here is a summary of some of the harmful effects of soy:
Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized
1)High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
2)Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
3)Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
4)Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
5)Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
6)Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
7)Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
8)Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
9)Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys
These 9 examples reflect the dangers of unfermented soy products such as tofu, soybeans (edamame), soy flour, soy milk and especially soy protein isolates.
If you have a thyroid disorder and are using soy, you are creating a serious negative effect in your body. I know this for a fact because I have experienced it myself.
I have held back on sharing this information because I know it will be controversial. However, I consider it my responsibility to pass on information that can point people to a healthier way of living.
I do not mean any disrespect towards anyones point of view, but I cannot have someone stating that soy is 'healthy' when I know it is not.
waxingmoon
Wahaika
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To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:28 PM
Hello Violet,
You are correct in your observation that red meat may not result in the conversion of estrogen. It is the same with everything else used in BE including linoleic acid. There are no guarantees for any of it. The best anyone can do is to try to figure out what works and how to apply it.
Too much estrogen can shut down estrogen receptors before you can even start to develop. While true, it is irrelevant to the discussion of meat. You cannot overdose on estrogen by eating meat.
To say that vegetarians/vegans have no problem with the conversion if linoleic acid to AA and then use that as a reason not to eat meat in moderation is illogical. It is more efficient to get AA (or anything else for that matter) from direct sources as a first priority.
I did not see any attempt to explain why my informal survey showed that women who ate meat (eggs are included) grew and women who did not eat meat did not grow. Let's try it again here. I'll start the thread.
This is not to say that women who avoid meat and eggs 100% of the time cannot grow (not talking about puberty here). I just have not seen it. Show me a woman that grew three cup sizes after age 22 with no meat or eggs and then we can talk about how it might have been accomplished and how to apply it to all. I'm not saying it can't happen. I am saying that I have not seen it.
Wahaika
Myjourney
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To Alcest
March 10 2007, 5:05 PM
Dear Alcest,
Personally, I find your sharp wit and realness refreshing and funny. However, I see an oxymoron here...
You said, "I would never want to cause the suffering of other sentient beings"
yet your speech and delivery to your own fellow human beings could be construed as giving much suffering. As humans, our sharpest sword is often our tongues. Words cause more suffering in the human race than any other thing, imo.
Sissy
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To Myjourney......
March 11 2007, 4:04 PM
Well said.
sophie9
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 11 2007, 11:41 PM
I just don't think one opinion is 100% right or 100% wrong. What I stated about U.S. meat and milk extends also to eggs. Monsanto as you might already know hid the truth about the hormones they sell to cattle and milk producers for a very long time. When some investigative reporters from Fox News of all places uncovered the truth and shared their findings with independent scientists, these scientists found these hormones would create dangerous carcinogenic effects in those who ingested it them. Basically you are dying a slow death by eating U.S. mass produced meat and milk. It is a long story, but Monsanto is a huge company, who also has attempted to monopolize the seed industry throughout the world. They have a shaking hands relationship with our government and other governments throughout the world. The only reason we still ingest these hormones is because Monsanto intimidated the parties involved into manipulating these findings. Information was agreed to be released with every word that said "cancer" or "carnicinogenic" crossed out, as well as anything else that made Monsanto look guilty or their product undesirble. Canada took these findings and their own scientists and came to the same conclusions, and now ban these hormones. Monsanto is a very, very powerful cooperation just because people agreed you can still buy milk that was produced by keeping a female cow on these dangerous hormones to constantly and unnaturally produce milk for the purpose of mass production does not mean it is safe to ingest. The seed Monsanto sells contains fertilizers that will also affect the ability of your hormones to function normally. I think my health is more important that growing large breasts, so if I am going to eat meat or drink milk, I will look into how it is produced. In this day of age, you have to be a concerned and cautious consumer. By saying that everything causes cancer, you just are not helping yourself. Cancer cells and foods that react with cancer cells in the body are abundant. But there is a huge difference in measure that people should consider.
I am not vegetarian, but I know plenty of girls who were vegetarian throughout their adolescence that grew normal, healthy, even large breasts. Many of them. Maybe the food YOU eat is gross, but I KNOW where my food comes from. I consider it the greatest investment I can offer myself. And as a woman, I put the health of my breasts before the size of my breasts. Eat animal products, just know what you are buying into.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:19 AM
Waihika:
"You can come up with all kinds of gross out stories about any food, not just meat. It is beside the point. "
Okay. Give me a "gross story" about strawberries. Go on. Do it. I believe in you.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:21 AM
^ Thank you sophie for taking the time to write all of that out.
I've known about Monsanto for a while. They're partly the reason why I became vegan 9 years ago and started eating more organically grown produce...it makes me happy to see another person so knowledgeable about the subject(more so than I am).
Kate
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:58 AM
I'm not Wahaika, but strawberries are one of the most toxic fruits due to modern growing practices. The majority have been shown to contain residue from up to 30 different pesticides and potential carcinogens, like captan, and this is coming from the FDA. Organic is much better, of course, but harder to find and the rules aren't strict enough, in my opinion. Some organic crops still end up with pesticides on them when tested, from "drifting". I don't know whether other people would consider intentionally covering food with carcinogens "gross" per se, but I do.
Another thing to worry about is that strawberries absorb some of the pesticides and fungicides into their flesh, so it can't be removed with a cleanser like you can do with apples and other produce with a firmer exocarp . I'm not a fan of meat either but can find something gross about most foods, given the way they're handled nowadays.
Just wanted to point that out in the interest of fairness. I really don't understand the nasty attitude that some people take on this board at all.
This message has been edited by Teresina on Mar 14, 2007 7:41 AM
Buffeee
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 1:48 PM
There are quite a few large strawberry patches around here, and word has it that the field workers will relieve themselves on the strawberry plants rather than coming in from the field. If that isn't gross, I don't know what is. ;-P
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 2:45 PM
Hhahah okay, but strawberries aren't sentient beings that feel pain, anger, fright, attatchment, fear or any of those very "human" emotions. Pumping up a plant full of pesticides and hormones is very different from pumping up a living being, as is it different if you were to take a piss on say, a baby pig. =/
I just want to point out how arrogant and heartless it was of the person to say that all foods are equal/alike in the way we cultivate them. And how empty they are to consider animals as simply "another food item".
Seriously----shame on you.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:53 PM
this thread was to the discourgaed girls-how far off can this topic get????
Nobody seems discouraged just hungry.
*no disrespect for the original thread bless her i think it was nice to offer the support and encouragement,shame it trsanspired to somthing else
A few things.
*Its always great when so many people do reaserch, i love to read through peoples findings regardless of the thread/cause/argument its thaught provocing
*dangerous Strawberrys-ilmao
next there will b killer carotts
*bitching-ilmao, people who r finding alescets coments bitchy etc-you havent been here that long she is so funny,it livens things up-
Yep from other posts iv read u/she has one heck of a problem with meat-but i have a major problem with many things dosent make a view right or wrong.
*And im sorry but not all foods r equal does a potatoe feel any pain ever?
*People choose wether they eat meat, people choose if they dont-no one can ever say that a choice was wrong unless confronted with a health issue in latter life can they say they made the wrong choice.
*Im going to keep eating meat as i always have, my meat has never given me boobs so i doubt it will now.
*i think, and im the same as well , we all look at every possible thing that could have made us smaller than "normal" or not as big as we hoped,anything to find out why,when u want somthing so bad,i ask myself questions all the time but i dont think we are qualified to explain why,yes we can speculate but its a never ending discusion.-lets face it we were given small tits n we want bigger ones simple
*can't we focus on what is and how the hell we are going to get bigger-and im talking herbs/creams/massage etc here not arguing about food
So here are my thaughts GD
Moon
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 5:50 PM
I encourage everyone who has the guts to bitch. I am so sick of this society in which we have to constantly watch out for our words, to not '''insult''' someone, to not hurt someone's feelins, we can't even state our oppinion anymore. I'm disgusted at how 'PC' (politically correct) this world has become. I'm disgusted that the society expect us to be nurses to other people's feelings. If one gets insulted by someone's oppinion - prove them wrong or admit being wrong. Deal with it! I'm not going to be quiet, I'm not even going to chose words, I'll bitch all I want and if someone can't take that, their ****ing problem!!! If someone can't take it, they are inapt to live in this world and they can can either shut themselves into a closet and make sure no influence from the outter world gets to their fragile little soul, or they can bloody grow a spine and a skin.
Oh, and to the person who thinks that words cause more suffering in the human race than any other thing, I'd be interesetd to know what milions of people on this planet who have suffered poverty, starvation, wars and genocide would think about that.
Having said that, I have absolutely nothing to say against the original post. It is all very valuable information. But we all know that there isn't a golden formula for breat growth.
Only @Wahaika - Aromatase isn't a precursor to estrogen, testosterone is, aromatase it the enzyme.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 14, 2007 5:51 PM
Myjourney
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hmmmm.
March 14 2007, 6:05 PM
Perhaps we could go back and look at what caused that poverty and all of the other world problems. Humans. Words. Greed. How many people hurt starving people by "saying" they will help and then don't.
Perhaps we should take all the money we spend on BE and give it to the poor.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 6:07 PM
Nicly said moon, "you ****ing ****"-ILMAO-
Moon
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@ MyJourney
March 14 2007, 7:22 PM
Huh, I'll go against my own principles now in choosing words carefuly, because I know this is a NBE forum and not a political discussion forum, when I'll say: think again. In brief, you are very wrong. It's not people's 'greed' that is causing poverty, it's people's ignorance. You wanna know what's the biggest cause of poverty? It's exactly that which you are proposing - help. Oh no, it's actually '''help'''. That's right, money given to poor coutries as '''aid''' by the developed coutries of the west. Because the poor see maybe 10% of that money, and even that is disastrous for their country's economy btw. But you know where the remaining 90% of that money ends? In the hands of rich dictators financing civil wars and genocide. That is the west's wonderful help, the 'solidarity'. This goodly righteous moralizing activism that screams ''we have to help!, we can't be selfish!, it's our duty because we are priviledged!, we have no more right to live as the poor do!, we have no more right to our property than the unpriviledged do!'', - this is nothing but a hypocritical cover for people to pat their own backs and feel good about themselves cuse they 'did the right thing', they'helped'. If they actually gave a crap about poverty, they'd ****ing learn a bloody damn thing about it.
And the claims you made are the mentality that feeds this ignorant activism - you said that poverty is our fault, because of our 'greed'. Well I am a huge opponent of this guilt mentality, this irrationalist mentality, this self-loathing death mentality that screams that becasue we are rich and fortunate, we should appologise and sacrifice and renounce and punish ourselves and die for the 'unprivileged'.
*exhales* There, I feel better now.
Myjourney
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Now I'M LMAO
March 14 2007, 7:26 PM
(I had to look it up online to see what it meant...still an email virgin I guess)
I swear this forum has more hormonal moody freaking women than I have ever encountered before! Including myself!
Hahahahahahohohohhohoheeeehheeeeheeeheee
waaaaaaa blubberblubber blubber
grrrrrrrrrrrROARrrrrrrrrrr
I don't really mind how everyone speaks there mind here. In a way it is a safe environment to be totally free to speak, without the "political correctness" as mentioned.
Wouldn't it be fun to be on a forum where you could only say horrid nasty things??? I think it would be quite cathartic. ;-)
Moon
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 7:51 PM
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I can assure you that I'm not a hormonal moody freaky woman, this is the real me. :p
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 14, 2007 7:52 PM
gingerD
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:23 PM
ILMAO-Im sory when i read cathartic i was going to say why the hell would it b catholic-!!!!
ILMAOM-i looked the word up-(yup im a bit thick) (cathartic)and it means An agent for purging the bowels, especially a laxative.
my journey i don't know if it was deliberate but i think it was
Very ammusing indeed.
My journey i have a new one for you-
DIS iz so fune, :-D iz suposed 2 b gud 4 U mA b :-d wiL grO us gigantic (.)(.)
come on all big hugs n lv from GD im just larking about
cups2b
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:41 PM
Why is it that some people on this board have to get all defensive and publically execute anyone who airs an opinion different from theirs? Any new theories should be explored instead of ignored or attacked just because they aren't what people want to hear. No one will ever dare to post anything here unless it's the same as the general opinion here states. Jesus! When will we ever find out what really matters for breast enlargement if we can't be open to new ideas?
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:43 PM
carol ann...I had a bit of trouble answering this thread. At the beginning I wanted to thank you but then I realised...you give sort of a false hope to girls here. I have always eaten loads of eggs, milk, meat, veggs,fiber and everything else that is considered healthy. I have never had nutrition problems and I am not skinny (though i'm not fat either...i'm normal to say so) and i am and have always been an A cup. I strongly believe nutrition has nothing to do with breasts. yes, i know tiger lily and her succes...but you must not forget that she was very skinny so a few pounds more couldn't hurt her. I followed her programme based on the right foods for 3 months but besides gaining weight nothing happened...no boobs whatsoever. I stopped because I would have gained more weight. food-based booby diets only help you to gain weight. some ppl gain weight on thir boobs as well, this is why this thing has come to be thought as a boobie-diet.
I am by no means an expert, just wanted to share my opinion.
On a second thought ,thanks anyway because of your good will to help others.
Buffeee
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 9:41 PM
I think that specific nutrients relate to a person trying to grow breasts in the same way they would relate to a body builder trying to grow muscle. The nutrients do not work on their own, but they are essential to the building process. For instance: a man who wants to gain muscle can eat all the protein he wants and not gain a single pound of muscle. He has to lift weights in order to do this. And if he lifts weights without supplementing that with increased protein (among other things,) he is not going to grow much. As people trying to grow boobies, we must take in the correct nutrients in order to allow our bodies to build the tissues which our NBE efforts are signaling them to grow.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 11:09 PM
Hmm... Well to clarify I suppose, the reason why I originally posted was because Carol Ann (despite altruistic reasons) posted something that was scientifically unfound and that basically said you need animal flesh/byproducts to grow breasts. That is essentially what she was saying. I don't know if I should even list the reasons why this upsets me because there are so many (and no, none of them are "aw but the poor wittle animals!"). However, one thing I thought was just "Oh great. Now half the women who read this are going to have steak tonight. The exact thing I'm trying to change in the world".
About poverty and starvation... I think we all sometimes feel guilty instinctively, but I agree with Moon that we have nothing to feel guilty for. The cycle of poverty is one of the hardest things to break, and for someone who's halfway across the globe it's just not in our hands. It's the government's... As for starvation---much of the starvation in the world today (or so I was informed in a class I took last semester) is due to there just simply being too many people on earth, and too many of them live too well. 6.6 billion people on are on the planet right now, we are quickly reaching 7 billion. Imagine that... it's just too many people.
The only thing we do by continually sending over food and things to these people is not much. It is spread out so thinly (since as Moon said only 10% reaches them) and there are so, so, so many poor and starving people in countries like India and China that all they get is a meager sum that simply keeps them alive, but not from prospering. It just continues the cycle, does nothing to break it.
I'm going to say something now that will really piss off some people, but this is what I learned. We basically need to limit our populations, especially of those in third world countries. We should be sending over birth control, and education on birth control and of having less children, we will never see an end to the starvation if there are so many of us. The earth simply can't support so many of us. Especially when in countries like America, we use so much of her resources, there just isn't enough left over for everyone else. If we tried to get people in third world countries to live like us we would run out of resources so fast our heads would spin.
I could talk about these things for hours, there's simply too much information to wrap your head around, the thought that there are too many people and that we need to "cut back" so to speak on our birthing rates is sad to come to grips with. It really is but it's the truth. I don't think humans were ever meant to permeate the entire globe the way they have. And that is why half of us are hungry...
And I just want to say to Moon that I think you're amazing. =) I'm glad there's another like-mind out there.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 11:45 PM
I don't think Carol Ann is sending out anymore of a false message than anyone else who has grown with a certain herb or product and shared the knowledge or experience here. Some people do and don't grow with massage, but should we say that those who recommend it are giving a false sense of hope? She was just sharing what worked for her.
As far as food is concerned, even if you're a vegetarian you're still harming sentient beings, most likely. Farmers use pesticides and chemicals that kill bugs and other animals to produce the vegetarian diet. They also use threshers and other machinery to harvest and grow the product, and I think we all know that that equipment can deal a nasty death to any animals that get in the way. Not only that, but to get most of that farmland we had to kill any animals and wildlife that was there to begin with, so there's the ecological concern too. So I think you could pretty much lay a guilt trip on almost anyone, unless you live in a field in a hut made of grass and sticks (you know, since the wood and land for houses kills trees and animals and displaces wildlife) AND grow your own food, with no chemicals, and hand pick it yourself. Is anyone here willing to do that? Show of hands? Because in all honesty, even those who supply the vegetarian/vegan diet have to worry about profits, so it's not feasible to get by without the modern equipment and techniques if you're running a business and supplying mass amounts of food. I'm just saying, if people are going to lay guilt trips on others for eating meat, you know, it can swing back the other way too.
Myjourney
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GD
March 15 2007, 12:27 AM
LOL!
Yeah..I know what cathartic means...I suppose I should have specified an emotional cathartic...means of purging oneselfs emotions...like with a shrink or sumthin...
give me a minute on the other funnies....I will have to study them. Did you ever have those beers with the little pictures on the cap that make a word or phrase? I am being a bit dense here, because I can't remember the proper name for them...
lots of fun!
Myjourney
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gd again...
March 15 2007, 12:30 AM
well that would be quite funny to verbally "spew" on a Catholic forum...no offense to any Catholics here...
:-)
Myjourney
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Moon
March 15 2007, 12:36 AM
Moon,
I absolutely agree with you. I was posting quick posts, and not really going into what I meant about greed. I mean the same people you are speaking of. The liars in power that feed the masses pretty "speeches" about what "we" do to "help" and so we all can sit here an pat ourselves on the back. I won't say that I know as much in depth as you about the subject...but I do agree.
I was thinking more of how the poverty started in the first place...long ago...with someone putting themselves above another...in their selfishness and greed...people wanting more than any one else...etc.
I love this! Dang! I have been long without some good intellectual bantering!
Thanks! Keep my mental juices flowin....
Myjourney
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Plant Rights!!!!
March 15 2007, 12:47 AM
Ok girls...I just can't resist posting this...just for the record...my sister in law is a devout vegan. This is just for fun!
The Vegetarian's Nightmare
(a dissertation on plants' rights)
Ladies and diners 1 make you
A shameful, degrading confession.
A deed of disgrace in the name of good taste
Though I did it 1 meant no aggression.
1 had planted a garden last April
And lovingly sang it a ballad.
But later in June beneath a full moon
Forgive me, 1 wanted a salad!
So 1 slipped out and fondled a carrot
Caressing its feathery top.
With the force of a brute 1 tore out the root!
It whimpered and came with a pop!
Then laying my hand on a radish
1 jerked and it left a small crater.
Then with the blade of my True Value spade
1 exhumed a slumbering tater!
Celery 1 plucked, 1 twisted a squash!
Tomatoes were wincing in fear.
1 choked the Romaine. It screamed out in pain,
Their anguish was filling my ears!
I finally came to the lettuce
As it cringed at the top of the row
With one wicked slice 1 beheaded it twice
As it writhed, I dealt a death blow.
1 butchered the onions and parsley.
My hoe was all covered with gore.
1 chopped and 1 whacked without looking back
Then 1 stealthily slipped in the door.
My bounty lay naked and dying
So 1 drowned them to snuff out their life.
1 sliced and 1 peeled as they thrashed and they reeled
On the cutting board under my knife.
1 violated tomatoes
So their innards could never survive.
1 grated and ground 'til they made not a sound
Then 1 boiled the tater alive!
Then 1 took the small broken pieces
1 had tortured and killed with my hands
And tossed them together, heedless of whether
They suffered or made their demands.
1 ate them. Forgive me, I'm sorry
But hear me, though I'm a beginner
Those plants feel pain, though it's hard to explain
To someone who eats them for dinner!
1 intend to begin a crusade
For PLANT'S RIGHTS, including chick peas.
The A.C.L.U. will be helping me, too.
In the meantime, please pass the bleu cheese.
Baxter Black
Coyote Cowboy Poetry 1986
snowdrops
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 4:26 AM
alcest do you really expect to sway people over to your OPINIONS? I can agree with your one opinion on saying there is too much population on the earth that should be better controlled but however I have no idea how that even would relate to the matter of BE. Forcing your opinions and expecting others to RESPECT any of your opinions is really foolish. If you want to force yourself onto people, go work for PETA as I don't think this is the board for animal rights. You are extremely immature cursing out the original poster for eating meat. I am sure you hate all people who eat meat. Good for you, go pat yourself on the back for offending other people. I have no problem with people whether they eat meat or are vegetarians but I would never force my opinions on anyone as you seem so capable of doing.
I for one am an omnivore :p I really however do think it's easier to grow with meat. I think though if you're a vegetarian and eat alot of PROTEIN foods such as soy, beans, and possibly eggs or organic milk you'd have a better chance depending on what types of foods you eat as a vegetarian. It all depends on balance I think whether you're an omnivore or herbivore. Vegetarians would have a much harder time trying to get all the nutrients as you would though with someone who eats both. I'm sure it's possible for vegetarians to have success with BE but it would really depend on what you eat. Like if your a veggie and eat lettuce I highly doubt you'd have success with BE unless you have more of a variety of beans, tofu, some veggie burgers, etc.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 5:58 AM
I think PETA is a horrible group, but thanks so much for stereotyping me and throwing me in with that bunch.
I doubt you even listened to one word I had to say. Your loss. I've researched what i'm saying for the past 9 years of my life. What I say is not sh-- that I pull out of my ass. But I do understand that not everyone will want to hear it, and not everyone will agree with me.
But I can still say it.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 6:00 AM
Also---- I do not "hate" people who eat meat.... is this a joke? This is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's the way we cultivate it is what's wrong.
My god...please get out of here.
Tessie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 7:27 AM
This reminds me of the Cocoa Butter thread. It's sad that adult women can't be open to new ideas without starting a catfight. I prefer logic before emotions when it comes to research and facts. Please keep political views off the boards.
Kate
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 9:17 AM
I feel the same way, Tessie. It's not about being politically correct or walking on eggshells, it's about being civil enough so that everyone can contribute and benefit from others' experiences and thoughts.
March 8 2007 at 5:13 AM
Carol Ann (Login Chefette)
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Girls, listen to me, ok?
I used to have a size A bra when I married my husband 21 yrs ago.
I hardly ever ate meat, and I hardly ever drank milk.Then I got pregnant with our 2nd child....and all of a sudden, I was CRAVING meat and milk and of all things, TOMATOES!!!! Along with cantaloupes and such as that. So, the main thing for you girls to do, in my opinion, is to do the following, whilst on herbs and herbal NBE, and you will see great success with your journey.... Trust me, I am a former A cupper, who is now a C cupper trying to catch up with Jelly...lol
Drink atleast 8 cups of pure water everyday
Stay away from sugar the added kind
Exercise atleast 20 minutes a day
get atleast 3 servings of natural calcium a day ( milk, cheese,ect)
Limit your red meat intake to only 1 or 2 servings a week
EAT FISH AND CHICKEN
Keep a journal of what you have eaten to check yourself
Massage morning and evening
Take your herbs at the exact same time everyday.
Eat fiber....whole grains,green veggies,or take a fiber supplement. If you take a supplement, do so at the end of your day. That way the herbs you take in the morning will NOT flush away.
But most of all, LOVE who you are. Yep, thats right....half the battle of this boobie quest is loving the person you are and being comfortable in your own skin.
My routine isn't posted because it is too complex, even for me. It all has to do with what I eat and what herbs I take. Like, watching tv with the fam, I will make soy beans for myself and have that instead of the butter, not so good for you popcorn.I am not really trying to gain boobs, I am trying to round out the ones I have and keep them. I know you all know what I mean.
But for goodness sakes, DO NOT GIVE UP!!! If WU or BGP or BS doesnt work for you, still look for another way.Maybe you CAN start by asking yourself.... Hummmm, what did I eat today ? Did I take my pills at 12 noon like I did yesterday? Consitancy pays the big boobs..... Give it a try.
Much love, and hopeful success to you all,
Carol Ann
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Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 7:13 AM
thanks for the encouragement! i've been slacking off in the health department :/
you give some really good advice...thanks! and congrats on your success!
Miss Monet
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 8:24 AM
haha yeah, i definately could eat better... it's hard, though, when you live in the dorms and the dining hall food SUCKS besides the desserts! haha
but i'll make a better effort... especially with the water intake -- i think i drink more milk than i do water! lolLisa
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 4:57 PM
Carol Ann,
Thank you for that post! It is all wonderful advice! I too could stand to eat more healthfully, and your words give me great encouragement. :-)
emmie
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i concur
March 8 2007, 5:28 PM
i would definitely agree with miss carol ann...
i am a cheapskate, and one thing i have found is that it is actually cheaper to eat better! thats because all of the processing in cookies and snack foods raise the price, so for the price of a box of cookies i can get a bag of salad, some toppings, and maybe even a little dressing, and that will last me a week (as opposed to the cookies, which last a few days depending on how annoyed i get at work during the day!).
this has helped me like who i am and what i look like, which is much better for the boobies than constantly wishing for something else...
so take care of yourselves, ladies!!
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 5:53 PM
I agree with most of this too. I was very thin with small boobs when I was young and skinny. After having two kids and eating more food, I was easily a B cup. Now I am about a C cup, after doing NBE, but a lot of it is not the herbs, but focusing on eating a little extra food here and there, drinking protein shakes, and doing massage. I think the herbs have helped, but slowly, and a lot of that is just firming and rounding. To be honest, I have gained at least 6 pounds through this NBE process, and I think that, at least for me, I had to be willing to gain that weight, in order to get fuller boobs.
Good luck to everyone!
jellyboobs
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 9:49 PM
Dear Carol anne, thats a lovely post and very helpful for those not taking cre of themselves !!!! as for the C's and D'c ??? I thought you were well ahead of me ??? ####!!!! lol lets have a race and the one who falls over thier boobs first is the winner ok ? wouldnt that be great love jelly....
Surf
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 10:26 PM
I would like to offer up a suggestion that one should eat read meat more than 1 time a week. I believe eating red meat is thought by some on the beboard to be very helpful with regards to NBE. In fact, I read 1 thread that said they could only recall 1 person who grew witout eating red meat.
Just a thought, not wishing to offend anyone...
Gigando growing blessings to all!
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 8 2007, 10:47 PM
I agree with Surf...I have been forcing myself to eat a little red meat each week, even though I don't really like it. I think its a good 'building' food. I know this is a touchy subject with some people because I was vegetarian for a long time too (many years ago). Each body is different and responds to different things, but my body has been growing better with the heavier foods.
Carol Ann
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 1:00 AM
The red meat, though, is very hard to digest and therefore stays in your body longer than other meats, like fish and chicken. It hinders the fiber from doing it's proper job while you are trying to rid yourself of unwanted toxins. Thats why I said red meat. But ,sure, if you dont have a problem with your colon,and digestive tract,which most of us do and just dont realize that, then eat red meat whenever.I for one, have to watch my red meat intake because the toots are too much for anyone to bare...and the indigestion I get from it,and the sluggish feelings makes me lazy. But thats me.
And Jelly... no baby, I was a D once upon a time... I stopped all NBE,and lost 42 pounds,so now I am a C headed in your direction,lol
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 1:51 AM
The beef connection seems complicated to me. Teresa Tapp, owner of t-tapp.com, discusses the difficulty that some have digesting it on her 'Personal Profile' CD. She did testing on people with different blood types to see how fast the various types could eliminate red meat. If I recall correctly, she claims Os and Bs have the easiest time with beef and that some even seem to need it to thrive, that they benefit a lot from the B vitamins. She also says As and ABs have trouble digesting it in a timely manner and that it can cause them more problems than it's worth.
I've no idea how true this holds for the general public and have never put much stock in the tie between blood types and diet. I'm an AB and don't fit the profile. I don't have any digestive issues, meat-related or otherwise, and react fine to beef but stopped eating it in '99. I also avoided meats as a kid and it didn't negatively affect my breast growth, but I'm sure everyone is different and genetics play a role. I grew a *lot* at a young age on a diet virtually free of animal products. Maybe it's different with BE, though.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 7:19 AM
I completely agree. After eating red meat (even before I knew about NBE) I always felt my breasts fuller due to that fact.
Also, if you read the wise information that Tigerlily and Feng. have received from the Chinese traditional ways, red meat is listed as a breast-friendly food.
I'm telling ya, if you want to grow boobs it ain't gonna happen on a limited vegetarian diet. Possible? Maybe, but it would be extremely hard.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 3:44 PM
Meat and milk does not make you instantly grow breasts, so **** off.
Secondly, I would never want to cause the suffering of other sentient beings simply so I can have breasts. Thank you very much.
I'm so sick of this wife's tale bull**** about meat. I always drank tons of milk, and ate meat every day before going vegan and I was always an A cup. What do you have to say about that?
Claire
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Alcest
March 9 2007, 3:58 PM
I only read through this site occasionally but I find the last post by Alcest to be a bit OTT. Courtesy to other opinions is what this forum seems to be about so please watch your language. Thanks.
Buffeee
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 4:14 PM
She's entitled to her opinions. Better that than have everyone on here agreeing about everything like a bunch of idiotic sheep. We've had times like that, and it's irritating as hell. That's coming from an avid meat-eater.
lazyboobies
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 4:46 PM
Carol Ann:
You are such a nice person, thanks for the advice. (sepcially the last one
I've been a little tense lately because i was expecting too much from my WU bootles, well i think im back to earth now.i'm trying to find a diet that's boob freindly but also that will not cause me to gain weight, im not pettite (5'8) so a few pounds have a very frustrating effect on me.
Added to the list you have posted, do you think it would be a good idea to cut a few fatty foods, or maybe try to cut carbohydrates such as pasta?
The first thing i'll do is start eating chicken and fish as you suggest, becuase i havent... i only eat tons of nuts and cheese, guess not very smart for boobie growing
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 5:16 PM
Personally I have found that when I eat meat I get more tingles, it seems strange. I thought I was just wishing for boobs so bad that I had made myself fell something so I tested it...and it's definitely true for me.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 5:22 PM
I cant eat chicken, my bloke refuses to eat it so for the past3/4 years i havent really eated much and when i have it i don't really like the taste.
i do eat loads of red meat, always have and sadly im still an A cup, if the theory worked right i would deffo be a DD n if i was i wouldnt b here
I do agree diet is important- ithink its more important to avoid processed foods and try to eat organically when ever possible-
i had a thaught ages ago regarding why i feel the cup sizes in my family decreased in time, and we had a discussion about how "in the old days" they didnt have such overly processed foods as we do now and how the processed food intake would certainly increase through the ages, from gran, to mum to me.
gd
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 6:37 PM
For those who have said that they do or used to eat a lot of red meat and still didn't grow, maybe it was because your hormones were not balanced or there were other factors that prevented you from growing.
I'm not saying that eating red meat alone will make your boobs grow!!!! GEEZ!
All I'm saying is that it could posibly help, along with all the other things your currently doing in your personal NBE program.
Wahaika - HELP ME OUT HERE!!!
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 6:51 PM
Alcest -
Who exactly said that meat and milk do make you instantly grow breasts? I don't recall anyone saying that they did.
Thank you for expressing your opinion about not wanting to "cause the suffering of other sentient beings simply so I can have breasts". Isn't it wonderful that we have a place where we have the freedom to express our opinions? Obviously, not everyone shares the same opinion - what a dull world we would live in if in fact we did!!!
During the time when you "always drank tons of milk, and ate meat every day before going vegan and (I) was always an A cup", were you on a NBE program?
Before calling it "wife's tale bull**** about meat", maybe we should all listen to what several people have reported on this thread about feeling tingles and fuller breasts after eating red meat.
It's wonderful that we have the capacity to learn from others' experiences, if we just open our minds.
Growing boobie blessing to everyone!
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 7:34 PM
i've been an on-again off-again veg for a number of years, and on the vegan route since a few months ago. i don't think eating meat is necessary for a successful NBE program; and in fact going vegan has made it easy for me to eat healthy and keep my weight down without effort (i tend to gain a bit of weight, at 5'5" and < 130 lbs). one has to watch one's protein intake, it's true, but there are more protein sources out there that people realize. the standard american diet is way too heavy on protein, which causes people calcium deficiency. there are plenty of good veg protein sources, including soy, beans, nuts, seeds, pulses, many grains and even some fruit.
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Meat and Milk....................
March 9 2007, 9:26 PM
Is it possible that the "meat and milk" nowdays is so tainted with hormones that there is the potential to grow with them added into ones NBE diet. Not saying one would but there could be the potential. look at all the younger girls nowdays that have much bigger boobs then previous generations and their diets consisted of alot of milk and red meat, or at least the ones I know ~ mainly milk.........
I don't think just meat and milk will work, and I don't recommend overloading ones system with the hormones found in them today, but I can see how they could attribute to growth as it seems alot of younger girls are getting results just by larger intakes and then the onset of puberty
Just my thoughts.......
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hormones in meat
March 9 2007, 9:40 PM
Yes, it is true that the hormones in meat and milk (which has hgh) is causing girls and boys to mature earlier...and I agree, a lot are growing seemingly larger boobs than earlier generations. We drink hormone free milk, and my girls are not even starting to develop, although many of their peers are.
The down side is that the milk and meat hormones are not only causing maturity, they are causing obesity.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 9:45 PM
A healthy diet in moderation should not cause obesity.....................eating meat three times a week will not cause weight gain...........
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 10:08 PM
Thanks for making this post Carol Ann, it's definitely very encouraging.
Regarding that anonymous comment about red meat, I think it's really distasteful to mention that a vegetarian could hardly grow during NBE, based solely on one's personal experience. Actually I have to say that when I was a vegetarian in my teens(for a period of 2 years)my boobs actually got more fuller and I didn't put on weight during that time. I also have to say, I still eat soy on a regular basis (1-4 times a week) and when I eat more soy I notice some increase in fullness. I don't really experience that with red meat so I guess everyone is different. Which makes that sort of remark a bit useless.
Regarding the hormones (and antibiotics and toxins) we get on our food nowadays, I think they're more likely to hinder any progress (please make a search under xenoestrogens) than actually improve, but that depends a lot on the person. Red meat is a great source of protein that's a known fact so it can help a great deal depending on the person and their dietary habits.
Also have to add that in what concerns one's diet, one thing that seems to kill boobage for me, is refined sugary stuff... sounds nuts but it's like the fats move to all the places they shouldn't... :S
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 9, 2007 10:20 PM
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 9 2007, 10:19 PM
I totally agree with those who mentioned hormones in meat. It is actually a huge problem in the United States in particular. Girls are reaching puberty at earler and earlier ages because of the the homones we give to animals. The hormones they give female cows to keep them in a state of constant lactation has actually been found to be carcinogenic. When these cows are milked, a greenish pus is released from the nipple, and actually, that goes into your milk. Canada has banned the these hormones in female cows, but he U.S. has not. The homones in conventional meat and milk products can and do create hormone imbalances. If you like meat and milk products, you should invest the extra money in buying free range and organically fed...hormone free. all large-scale commercial meat industries use hormones and antibiotics - things that you really don't want in your body.
Wahaika
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To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 2:18 AM
Hello.
Red meat has Arachidonic Acid which is a precursor to prostaglandin E2 which is a precursor to aromatase. Aromatase is a precursor to estrogen.
* aromatase + testosterone = estrogen
* PGE2 is a precursor to aromatase)
* Arachiconic Acid is a precursor to PGE2
* Red meat contains Arachiconic Acid
You can come up with all kinds of gross out stories about any food, not just meat. It is beside the point.
You can come up with all kinds of reasons not to eat US beef or drink US milk since the hormones cause problems in some girls in their development years. THE SAME IS TRUE WITH SOY!!!! It is irrelevant since we are dealing with mature women who are not in that stage of development.
BTW, the "undesirable" hormone that is found in U.S. beef is growth hormone (somatotropin if I remember right) which is something that you would definitely want in a BE program.
I asked all women on the BEBOARD one time who ate meat and who did not. The types of meat varied. All of those that were growers ate meat. All of those who did not eat meat did not grow - at that time, I now know of a single exception.
I have watched for years as vegans and vegetarians (to me there is no difference) struggle to grow at all. I am only aware of one exception and I suspect that it is because she eats eggs. The yolks contain Arachidonic Acid.
Red meat is good for BE. Nothing is good for you in excess, including water.
Moo.
Wahaika
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 2:50 AM
I just hope that you girls get the encouragement you so deserve. PLEASE dont let the distasteful comments hurt you in anyway. You girls can DO IT!!! And I will try and help if I can.If I know, I will tell you.
It would be nice if some of the annon people and the attacking people could every once in awhile type something encouraging and maybe even some of the knowledge they have. COME ON FOLKS.....lets build bridges, not tear down communities
Carol Ann
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Go here
March 10 2007, 2:56 AM
go to this website and read for yourself the dangers of eating too much red meat
that is all I am gonna say about that.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=77515
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 3:47 AM
Wahaika,
Even if red meat increases estrogen (which may perfectly not happen) that doesn't mean that your going to grow breasts, it's a known fact that too much estrogen can shut down the receptors before you can even start to develop.
Anyways, taken from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid):
"Some mammals lack the ability toâor have a very limited capacity toâconvert linoleic acid into arachidonic acid, making it an essential part of their diet. Since little or no arachidonic acid is found in plants, such animals are obligatory carnivores; the cat is a common example.[2][3]
Arachidonic acid in the human body comes from dietary animal sourcesâmeat, eggs, dairyâor is synthesized from linoleic acid."
"Human adults are shown to be capable of conversion of linoleic acid (LA, 18:2 n-6) to arachidonic acid (AA, 20:4 n-6) in vivo. It is confirmed that they can also convert alpha-linolenic acid (LNA, 18:3 n-3) to eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA, 20:5 n-3) and to docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6 n-3) in vivo."
So apparently, that's not a problem for vegetarians either. Also it's one of the most dangerous fats around, you don't want to get it in high amounts because it's toxic, the whole thing about GLA is because it helps to counteract the nasty effects of AA.
edit:
And soy (we only get the biologic types around here), but it's not as toxic and dangerous as meat in all aspects. It's known that can hinder growth a little in height but that's pretty much it. It's not full of carcinogenics/toxins/antibiotics/dangerous hormones. Not to mention diseases like the mad cow disease, bird flu, etc.
This message has been edited by _violet_ on Mar 10, 2007 3:56 AM
Corrie
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:41 AM
It seems like it would be possible to grow as a vegetarian, but you'd just have to work at it more, maybe? A key component of growing bigger breasts for me has simply been gaining weight, and this is of course easier when you are eating meat. But certainly not impossible for vegetarians.
Everyone is sharing such interesting information. Thank you.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:45 AM
Not to start anything but soy can contain carcinogens (lysinealine, nitrosamines) and have negative effects. It's not easily digested and can impair thyroid function, which would be bad for BE, among other things. I'm not making a case for people to stop eating soy -- I used to eat plenty of it myself and feel strongly that diet is a personal matter and everyone should be free to choose without criticism -- but I would not say it's necessarily safer than meat, just different in tersm of potential problems. I hate meat and have been a vegetarian or vegan for much of my life, but there are negative aspects of most foods, soy included. One of the issues with soy milk is that it can be so heavily processed that it lacks cystine.
Just my two cents.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:57 AM
hey, thanks for the advice!
Marissa
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Soy dangers
March 10 2007, 1:52 PM
I know it may seem that soy has less dangers than meat, but that is not the case. The following link speaks of some of the lesser know dangers of unfermented soy products.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
Here is a summary of some of the harmful effects of soy:
Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized
1)High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
2)Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
3)Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
4)Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
5)Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
6)Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
7)Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
8)Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
9)Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys
These 9 examples reflect the dangers of unfermented soy products such as tofu, soybeans (edamame), soy flour, soy milk and especially soy protein isolates.
If you have a thyroid disorder and are using soy, you are creating a serious negative effect in your body. I know this for a fact because I have experienced it myself.
I have held back on sharing this information because I know it will be controversial. However, I consider it my responsibility to pass on information that can point people to a healthier way of living.
I do not mean any disrespect towards anyones point of view, but I cannot have someone stating that soy is 'healthy' when I know it is not.
waxingmoon
Wahaika
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To the discouraged girls
March 10 2007, 4:28 PM
Hello Violet,
You are correct in your observation that red meat may not result in the conversion of estrogen. It is the same with everything else used in BE including linoleic acid. There are no guarantees for any of it. The best anyone can do is to try to figure out what works and how to apply it.
Too much estrogen can shut down estrogen receptors before you can even start to develop. While true, it is irrelevant to the discussion of meat. You cannot overdose on estrogen by eating meat.
To say that vegetarians/vegans have no problem with the conversion if linoleic acid to AA and then use that as a reason not to eat meat in moderation is illogical. It is more efficient to get AA (or anything else for that matter) from direct sources as a first priority.
I did not see any attempt to explain why my informal survey showed that women who ate meat (eggs are included) grew and women who did not eat meat did not grow. Let's try it again here. I'll start the thread.
This is not to say that women who avoid meat and eggs 100% of the time cannot grow (not talking about puberty here). I just have not seen it. Show me a woman that grew three cup sizes after age 22 with no meat or eggs and then we can talk about how it might have been accomplished and how to apply it to all. I'm not saying it can't happen. I am saying that I have not seen it.
Wahaika
Myjourney
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To Alcest
March 10 2007, 5:05 PM
Dear Alcest,
Personally, I find your sharp wit and realness refreshing and funny. However, I see an oxymoron here...
You said, "I would never want to cause the suffering of other sentient beings"
yet your speech and delivery to your own fellow human beings could be construed as giving much suffering. As humans, our sharpest sword is often our tongues. Words cause more suffering in the human race than any other thing, imo.
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To Myjourney......
March 11 2007, 4:04 PM
Well said.
sophie9
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 11 2007, 11:41 PM
I just don't think one opinion is 100% right or 100% wrong. What I stated about U.S. meat and milk extends also to eggs. Monsanto as you might already know hid the truth about the hormones they sell to cattle and milk producers for a very long time. When some investigative reporters from Fox News of all places uncovered the truth and shared their findings with independent scientists, these scientists found these hormones would create dangerous carcinogenic effects in those who ingested it them. Basically you are dying a slow death by eating U.S. mass produced meat and milk. It is a long story, but Monsanto is a huge company, who also has attempted to monopolize the seed industry throughout the world. They have a shaking hands relationship with our government and other governments throughout the world. The only reason we still ingest these hormones is because Monsanto intimidated the parties involved into manipulating these findings. Information was agreed to be released with every word that said "cancer" or "carnicinogenic" crossed out, as well as anything else that made Monsanto look guilty or their product undesirble. Canada took these findings and their own scientists and came to the same conclusions, and now ban these hormones. Monsanto is a very, very powerful cooperation just because people agreed you can still buy milk that was produced by keeping a female cow on these dangerous hormones to constantly and unnaturally produce milk for the purpose of mass production does not mean it is safe to ingest. The seed Monsanto sells contains fertilizers that will also affect the ability of your hormones to function normally. I think my health is more important that growing large breasts, so if I am going to eat meat or drink milk, I will look into how it is produced. In this day of age, you have to be a concerned and cautious consumer. By saying that everything causes cancer, you just are not helping yourself. Cancer cells and foods that react with cancer cells in the body are abundant. But there is a huge difference in measure that people should consider.
I am not vegetarian, but I know plenty of girls who were vegetarian throughout their adolescence that grew normal, healthy, even large breasts. Many of them. Maybe the food YOU eat is gross, but I KNOW where my food comes from. I consider it the greatest investment I can offer myself. And as a woman, I put the health of my breasts before the size of my breasts. Eat animal products, just know what you are buying into.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:19 AM
Waihika:
"You can come up with all kinds of gross out stories about any food, not just meat. It is beside the point. "
Okay. Give me a "gross story" about strawberries. Go on. Do it. I believe in you.
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:21 AM
^ Thank you sophie for taking the time to write all of that out.
I've known about Monsanto for a while. They're partly the reason why I became vegan 9 years ago and started eating more organically grown produce...it makes me happy to see another person so knowledgeable about the subject(more so than I am).
Kate
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:58 AM
I'm not Wahaika, but strawberries are one of the most toxic fruits due to modern growing practices. The majority have been shown to contain residue from up to 30 different pesticides and potential carcinogens, like captan, and this is coming from the FDA. Organic is much better, of course, but harder to find and the rules aren't strict enough, in my opinion. Some organic crops still end up with pesticides on them when tested, from "drifting". I don't know whether other people would consider intentionally covering food with carcinogens "gross" per se, but I do.
Another thing to worry about is that strawberries absorb some of the pesticides and fungicides into their flesh, so it can't be removed with a cleanser like you can do with apples and other produce with a firmer exocarp . I'm not a fan of meat either but can find something gross about most foods, given the way they're handled nowadays.
Just wanted to point that out in the interest of fairness. I really don't understand the nasty attitude that some people take on this board at all.
This message has been edited by Teresina on Mar 14, 2007 7:41 AM
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 1:48 PM
There are quite a few large strawberry patches around here, and word has it that the field workers will relieve themselves on the strawberry plants rather than coming in from the field. If that isn't gross, I don't know what is. ;-P
Alcest
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 2:45 PM
Hhahah okay, but strawberries aren't sentient beings that feel pain, anger, fright, attatchment, fear or any of those very "human" emotions. Pumping up a plant full of pesticides and hormones is very different from pumping up a living being, as is it different if you were to take a piss on say, a baby pig. =/
I just want to point out how arrogant and heartless it was of the person to say that all foods are equal/alike in the way we cultivate them. And how empty they are to consider animals as simply "another food item".
Seriously----shame on you.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 4:53 PM
this thread was to the discourgaed girls-how far off can this topic get????
Nobody seems discouraged just hungry.
*no disrespect for the original thread bless her i think it was nice to offer the support and encouragement,shame it trsanspired to somthing else
A few things.
*Its always great when so many people do reaserch, i love to read through peoples findings regardless of the thread/cause/argument its thaught provocing
*dangerous Strawberrys-ilmao
next there will b killer carotts
*bitching-ilmao, people who r finding alescets coments bitchy etc-you havent been here that long she is so funny,it livens things up-
Yep from other posts iv read u/she has one heck of a problem with meat-but i have a major problem with many things dosent make a view right or wrong.
*And im sorry but not all foods r equal does a potatoe feel any pain ever?
*People choose wether they eat meat, people choose if they dont-no one can ever say that a choice was wrong unless confronted with a health issue in latter life can they say they made the wrong choice.
*Im going to keep eating meat as i always have, my meat has never given me boobs so i doubt it will now.
*i think, and im the same as well , we all look at every possible thing that could have made us smaller than "normal" or not as big as we hoped,anything to find out why,when u want somthing so bad,i ask myself questions all the time but i dont think we are qualified to explain why,yes we can speculate but its a never ending discusion.-lets face it we were given small tits n we want bigger ones simple
*can't we focus on what is and how the hell we are going to get bigger-and im talking herbs/creams/massage etc here not arguing about food
So here are my thaughts GD
Moon
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 5:50 PM
I encourage everyone who has the guts to bitch. I am so sick of this society in which we have to constantly watch out for our words, to not '''insult''' someone, to not hurt someone's feelins, we can't even state our oppinion anymore. I'm disgusted at how 'PC' (politically correct) this world has become. I'm disgusted that the society expect us to be nurses to other people's feelings. If one gets insulted by someone's oppinion - prove them wrong or admit being wrong. Deal with it! I'm not going to be quiet, I'm not even going to chose words, I'll bitch all I want and if someone can't take that, their ****ing problem!!! If someone can't take it, they are inapt to live in this world and they can can either shut themselves into a closet and make sure no influence from the outter world gets to their fragile little soul, or they can bloody grow a spine and a skin.
Oh, and to the person who thinks that words cause more suffering in the human race than any other thing, I'd be interesetd to know what milions of people on this planet who have suffered poverty, starvation, wars and genocide would think about that.
Having said that, I have absolutely nothing to say against the original post. It is all very valuable information. But we all know that there isn't a golden formula for breat growth.
Only @Wahaika - Aromatase isn't a precursor to estrogen, testosterone is, aromatase it the enzyme.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 14, 2007 5:51 PM
Myjourney
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hmmmm.
March 14 2007, 6:05 PM
Perhaps we could go back and look at what caused that poverty and all of the other world problems. Humans. Words. Greed. How many people hurt starving people by "saying" they will help and then don't.
Perhaps we should take all the money we spend on BE and give it to the poor.
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 6:07 PM
Nicly said moon, "you ****ing ****"-ILMAO-
Moon
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@ MyJourney
March 14 2007, 7:22 PM
Huh, I'll go against my own principles now in choosing words carefuly, because I know this is a NBE forum and not a political discussion forum, when I'll say: think again. In brief, you are very wrong. It's not people's 'greed' that is causing poverty, it's people's ignorance. You wanna know what's the biggest cause of poverty? It's exactly that which you are proposing - help. Oh no, it's actually '''help'''. That's right, money given to poor coutries as '''aid''' by the developed coutries of the west. Because the poor see maybe 10% of that money, and even that is disastrous for their country's economy btw. But you know where the remaining 90% of that money ends? In the hands of rich dictators financing civil wars and genocide. That is the west's wonderful help, the 'solidarity'. This goodly righteous moralizing activism that screams ''we have to help!, we can't be selfish!, it's our duty because we are priviledged!, we have no more right to live as the poor do!, we have no more right to our property than the unpriviledged do!'', - this is nothing but a hypocritical cover for people to pat their own backs and feel good about themselves cuse they 'did the right thing', they'helped'. If they actually gave a crap about poverty, they'd ****ing learn a bloody damn thing about it.
And the claims you made are the mentality that feeds this ignorant activism - you said that poverty is our fault, because of our 'greed'. Well I am a huge opponent of this guilt mentality, this irrationalist mentality, this self-loathing death mentality that screams that becasue we are rich and fortunate, we should appologise and sacrifice and renounce and punish ourselves and die for the 'unprivileged'.
*exhales* There, I feel better now.
Myjourney
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Now I'M LMAO
March 14 2007, 7:26 PM
(I had to look it up online to see what it meant...still an email virgin I guess)
I swear this forum has more hormonal moody freaking women than I have ever encountered before! Including myself!
Hahahahahahohohohhohoheeeehheeeeheeeheee
waaaaaaa blubberblubber blubber
grrrrrrrrrrrROARrrrrrrrrrr
I don't really mind how everyone speaks there mind here. In a way it is a safe environment to be totally free to speak, without the "political correctness" as mentioned.
Wouldn't it be fun to be on a forum where you could only say horrid nasty things??? I think it would be quite cathartic. ;-)
Moon
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 7:51 PM
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I can assure you that I'm not a hormonal moody freaky woman, this is the real me. :p
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Mar 14, 2007 7:52 PM
gingerD
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:23 PM
ILMAO-Im sory when i read cathartic i was going to say why the hell would it b catholic-!!!!
ILMAOM-i looked the word up-(yup im a bit thick) (cathartic)and it means An agent for purging the bowels, especially a laxative.
my journey i don't know if it was deliberate but i think it was
Very ammusing indeed.
My journey i have a new one for you-
DIS iz so fune, :-D iz suposed 2 b gud 4 U mA b :-d wiL grO us gigantic (.)(.)
come on all big hugs n lv from GD
im just larking aboutcups2b
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:41 PM
Why is it that some people on this board have to get all defensive and publically execute anyone who airs an opinion different from theirs? Any new theories should be explored instead of ignored or attacked just because they aren't what people want to hear. No one will ever dare to post anything here unless it's the same as the general opinion here states. Jesus! When will we ever find out what really matters for breast enlargement if we can't be open to new ideas?
Anonymous
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 8:43 PM
carol ann...I had a bit of trouble answering this thread. At the beginning I wanted to thank you but then I realised...you give sort of a false hope to girls here. I have always eaten loads of eggs, milk, meat, veggs,fiber and everything else that is considered healthy. I have never had nutrition problems and I am not skinny (though i'm not fat either...i'm normal to say so) and i am and have always been an A cup. I strongly believe nutrition has nothing to do with breasts. yes, i know tiger lily and her succes...but you must not forget that she was very skinny so a few pounds more couldn't hurt her. I followed her programme based on the right foods for 3 months but besides gaining weight nothing happened...no boobs whatsoever. I stopped because I would have gained more weight. food-based booby diets only help you to gain weight. some ppl gain weight on thir boobs as well, this is why this thing has come to be thought as a boobie-diet.
I am by no means an expert, just wanted to share my opinion.
On a second thought ,thanks anyway because of your good will to help others.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 9:41 PM
I think that specific nutrients relate to a person trying to grow breasts in the same way they would relate to a body builder trying to grow muscle. The nutrients do not work on their own, but they are essential to the building process. For instance: a man who wants to gain muscle can eat all the protein he wants and not gain a single pound of muscle. He has to lift weights in order to do this. And if he lifts weights without supplementing that with increased protein (among other things,) he is not going to grow much. As people trying to grow boobies, we must take in the correct nutrients in order to allow our bodies to build the tissues which our NBE efforts are signaling them to grow.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 11:09 PM
Hmm... Well to clarify I suppose, the reason why I originally posted was because Carol Ann (despite altruistic reasons) posted something that was scientifically unfound and that basically said you need animal flesh/byproducts to grow breasts. That is essentially what she was saying. I don't know if I should even list the reasons why this upsets me because there are so many (and no, none of them are "aw but the poor wittle animals!"). However, one thing I thought was just "Oh great. Now half the women who read this are going to have steak tonight. The exact thing I'm trying to change in the world".
About poverty and starvation... I think we all sometimes feel guilty instinctively, but I agree with Moon that we have nothing to feel guilty for. The cycle of poverty is one of the hardest things to break, and for someone who's halfway across the globe it's just not in our hands. It's the government's... As for starvation---much of the starvation in the world today (or so I was informed in a class I took last semester) is due to there just simply being too many people on earth, and too many of them live too well. 6.6 billion people on are on the planet right now, we are quickly reaching 7 billion. Imagine that... it's just too many people.
The only thing we do by continually sending over food and things to these people is not much. It is spread out so thinly (since as Moon said only 10% reaches them) and there are so, so, so many poor and starving people in countries like India and China that all they get is a meager sum that simply keeps them alive, but not from prospering. It just continues the cycle, does nothing to break it.
I'm going to say something now that will really piss off some people, but this is what I learned. We basically need to limit our populations, especially of those in third world countries. We should be sending over birth control, and education on birth control and of having less children, we will never see an end to the starvation if there are so many of us. The earth simply can't support so many of us. Especially when in countries like America, we use so much of her resources, there just isn't enough left over for everyone else. If we tried to get people in third world countries to live like us we would run out of resources so fast our heads would spin.
I could talk about these things for hours, there's simply too much information to wrap your head around, the thought that there are too many people and that we need to "cut back" so to speak on our birthing rates is sad to come to grips with. It really is but it's the truth. I don't think humans were ever meant to permeate the entire globe the way they have. And that is why half of us are hungry...
And I just want to say to Moon that I think you're amazing. =) I'm glad there's another like-mind out there.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 14 2007, 11:45 PM
I don't think Carol Ann is sending out anymore of a false message than anyone else who has grown with a certain herb or product and shared the knowledge or experience here. Some people do and don't grow with massage, but should we say that those who recommend it are giving a false sense of hope? She was just sharing what worked for her.
As far as food is concerned, even if you're a vegetarian you're still harming sentient beings, most likely. Farmers use pesticides and chemicals that kill bugs and other animals to produce the vegetarian diet. They also use threshers and other machinery to harvest and grow the product, and I think we all know that that equipment can deal a nasty death to any animals that get in the way. Not only that, but to get most of that farmland we had to kill any animals and wildlife that was there to begin with, so there's the ecological concern too. So I think you could pretty much lay a guilt trip on almost anyone, unless you live in a field in a hut made of grass and sticks (you know, since the wood and land for houses kills trees and animals and displaces wildlife) AND grow your own food, with no chemicals, and hand pick it yourself. Is anyone here willing to do that? Show of hands? Because in all honesty, even those who supply the vegetarian/vegan diet have to worry about profits, so it's not feasible to get by without the modern equipment and techniques if you're running a business and supplying mass amounts of food. I'm just saying, if people are going to lay guilt trips on others for eating meat, you know, it can swing back the other way too.
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GD
March 15 2007, 12:27 AM
LOL!
Yeah..I know what cathartic means...I suppose I should have specified an emotional cathartic...means of purging oneselfs emotions...like with a shrink or sumthin...
give me a minute on the other funnies....I will have to study them. Did you ever have those beers with the little pictures on the cap that make a word or phrase? I am being a bit dense here, because I can't remember the proper name for them...
lots of fun!
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gd again...
March 15 2007, 12:30 AM
well that would be quite funny to verbally "spew" on a Catholic forum...no offense to any Catholics here...
:-)
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Moon
March 15 2007, 12:36 AM
Moon,
I absolutely agree with you. I was posting quick posts, and not really going into what I meant about greed. I mean the same people you are speaking of. The liars in power that feed the masses pretty "speeches" about what "we" do to "help" and so we all can sit here an pat ourselves on the back. I won't say that I know as much in depth as you about the subject...but I do agree.
I was thinking more of how the poverty started in the first place...long ago...with someone putting themselves above another...in their selfishness and greed...people wanting more than any one else...etc.
I love this! Dang! I have been long without some good intellectual bantering!
Thanks! Keep my mental juices flowin....
Myjourney
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Plant Rights!!!!
March 15 2007, 12:47 AM
Ok girls...I just can't resist posting this...just for the record...my sister in law is a devout vegan. This is just for fun!
The Vegetarian's Nightmare
(a dissertation on plants' rights)
Ladies and diners 1 make you
A shameful, degrading confession.
A deed of disgrace in the name of good taste
Though I did it 1 meant no aggression.
1 had planted a garden last April
And lovingly sang it a ballad.
But later in June beneath a full moon
Forgive me, 1 wanted a salad!
So 1 slipped out and fondled a carrot
Caressing its feathery top.
With the force of a brute 1 tore out the root!
It whimpered and came with a pop!
Then laying my hand on a radish
1 jerked and it left a small crater.
Then with the blade of my True Value spade
1 exhumed a slumbering tater!
Celery 1 plucked, 1 twisted a squash!
Tomatoes were wincing in fear.
1 choked the Romaine. It screamed out in pain,
Their anguish was filling my ears!
I finally came to the lettuce
As it cringed at the top of the row
With one wicked slice 1 beheaded it twice
As it writhed, I dealt a death blow.
1 butchered the onions and parsley.
My hoe was all covered with gore.
1 chopped and 1 whacked without looking back
Then 1 stealthily slipped in the door.
My bounty lay naked and dying
So 1 drowned them to snuff out their life.
1 sliced and 1 peeled as they thrashed and they reeled
On the cutting board under my knife.
1 violated tomatoes
So their innards could never survive.
1 grated and ground 'til they made not a sound
Then 1 boiled the tater alive!
Then 1 took the small broken pieces
1 had tortured and killed with my hands
And tossed them together, heedless of whether
They suffered or made their demands.
1 ate them. Forgive me, I'm sorry
But hear me, though I'm a beginner
Those plants feel pain, though it's hard to explain
To someone who eats them for dinner!
1 intend to begin a crusade
For PLANT'S RIGHTS, including chick peas.
The A.C.L.U. will be helping me, too.
In the meantime, please pass the bleu cheese.
Baxter Black
Coyote Cowboy Poetry 1986
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 4:26 AM
alcest do you really expect to sway people over to your OPINIONS? I can agree with your one opinion on saying there is too much population on the earth that should be better controlled but however I have no idea how that even would relate to the matter of BE. Forcing your opinions and expecting others to RESPECT any of your opinions is really foolish. If you want to force yourself onto people, go work for PETA as I don't think this is the board for animal rights. You are extremely immature cursing out the original poster for eating meat. I am sure you hate all people who eat meat. Good for you, go pat yourself on the back for offending other people. I have no problem with people whether they eat meat or are vegetarians but I would never force my opinions on anyone as you seem so capable of doing.
I for one am an omnivore :p I really however do think it's easier to grow with meat. I think though if you're a vegetarian and eat alot of PROTEIN foods such as soy, beans, and possibly eggs or organic milk you'd have a better chance depending on what types of foods you eat as a vegetarian. It all depends on balance I think whether you're an omnivore or herbivore. Vegetarians would have a much harder time trying to get all the nutrients as you would though with someone who eats both. I'm sure it's possible for vegetarians to have success with BE but it would really depend on what you eat. Like if your a veggie and eat lettuce I highly doubt you'd have success with BE unless you have more of a variety of beans, tofu, some veggie burgers, etc.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 5:58 AM
I think PETA is a horrible group, but thanks so much for stereotyping me and throwing me in with that bunch.
I doubt you even listened to one word I had to say. Your loss. I've researched what i'm saying for the past 9 years of my life. What I say is not sh-- that I pull out of my ass. But I do understand that not everyone will want to hear it, and not everyone will agree with me.
But I can still say it.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 6:00 AM
Also---- I do not "hate" people who eat meat.... is this a joke? This is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's the way we cultivate it is what's wrong.
My god...please get out of here.
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 7:27 AM
This reminds me of the Cocoa Butter thread. It's sad that adult women can't be open to new ideas without starting a catfight. I prefer logic before emotions when it comes to research and facts. Please keep political views off the boards.
Kate
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Re: To the discouraged girls
March 15 2007, 9:17 AM
I feel the same way, Tessie. It's not about being politically correct or walking on eggshells, it's about being civil enough so that everyone can contribute and benefit from others' experiences and thoughts.
. Was strict vegetarian in my late teens which could be the reason for my sad breast area.