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Alfalfa Leaf (Medicago sativa L.)

Alfalfa leaf is said to promote the development of the glandular tissue of the breasts. It can be taken both during pregnancy and after birth by mothers with a history of low milk supply. Taken after birth, it increases milk supply and is reported to increase the fat content of breastmilk. Incidentally, so do other so-called "green foods."

Alfalfa leaf is one of our most nutritious herbs. It contains chlorophyll, a host of minerals-calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, silicon, zinc-numerous vitamins-A, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, C, D, E, and K-as well as essential and non-essential amino acids.

Alfalfa leaf is estrogenic and antifungal. It has substances that nourish the liver, activate the kidneys, suppress inflammation, address digestive disorders, and balance blood sugar. It is traditionally prescribed to promote the function of the pituitary gland, the source of the main hormones for lactation.

The minerals in alfalfa leaf are well balanced and easily absorbed; pregnant and lactating women therefore frequently take alfalfa leaf as a mineral supplement.

Of Note: Because alfalfa is a powerful galactagogue, mothers with normal milk supply should reduce or discontinue alfalfa a few weeks before due date. Mothers with a history of low milk supply should be cautious as well, especially if their breasts show signs of better development this pregnancy. Oversupply can reportedly develop in these mothers as well.

Pregnancy: Safe. Estrogenic. Although alfalfa can be taken to promote menstruation, there are no warnings regarding pregnancy. That said, do not overdose!

Allergy: Rare. Skin rash.

Side Effects: Diarrhea or loose stool in the mother or baby. Reduce the dosage for a few days.

Caution: Do not over-eat alfalfa sprouts or seeds. These may trigger an auto-immune, Lupus-like condition in sensitive individuals. The American Pharmaceutical Association warns that persons with systemic lupus erythematosus should avoid alfalfa products. Sheila Humphrey however, in "Nursing Mother's Herbal," says that the questionable substance does not exist in the leaf, and that the leaf supplement should therefore not be a problem.

Sources: Health-food stores; whole foods stores; herbal pharmacies; online stores.

Dosage and Preparation:

Tea: 1-2 teaspoons of dried herb per cup of water. Drink up to three cups per day. (To kick-start milk supply, double this dosage a few days. Increase is seen within two to four days.)
Infuse 1-2 handfuls in a quart of water, steep overnight.
Alfalfa Supplements: Up to 8 capsules per day.
Dried juice powder: 1 tablespoon, two times per day.
Homeopathy: X30 is used in combination with Lactuca virosa X30 for exhausted, nervous, stressed mothers.



Goat's Rue (Galega officinalis)

Goat's rue belongs to the family of the legumes.

Lactation consultants have noted that goat's rue seems especially helpful for mothers with insufficient glandular tissue of the breast.

Goat's rue balances blood sugar levels, possibly improving insulin sensitivity. If you are diabetic, discuss the use of goat's rue with your doctor. If you have symptoms of hypoglycemia, consult your doctor.

Pregnancy: Good general safety rating, but no extensive testing. Take goat's rue well beneath therapeutic dosage, for instance, one mild cup of tea a day. Mothers needing the medicinal effects of goat's rue during pregnancy might consider taking metformin instead, under the guidance of their doctor.

Side effect: Can lower blood sugar. It should not be used by diabetics except under the guidance of your doctor.

Warning: The fresh plant is considered to be toxic, but the dried plant is safe to use as tea.

Sources: In bulk as tea or as tincture at special herbal pharmacies and online stores.

Dosage and Preparation:

Tincture: Take 1 - 2 ml of tincture, or 10 - 15 drops, 3 times a day.
Tea: Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 1 teaspoonful of the herb, steep 5 -10 minutes. Drink 2 - 3 cups a day.

http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-herbal2.aspx
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#32

Thank you melissa,

It's this sort of data we need to build programs from a sound basis.

I would have expected some vitamin B9 (folic acid) in alfalfa too. I'll check.

I knew fresh GR is toxic, but this is the first time I see in black on white print (well, purple on white Big Grin) the tea is OK. I still have 200 g of dried GR here that I haven't touched yet.
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#33

Hi Isabelle!!!Big Grin

So now I know that Alfalfa and Goat's Rue can increase glandular tissue. I know I am thinking way ahead, but I just can't help myself with someone like you, LOL!

When I am done with NBE, can I take either Alfalfa or Goat's Rue, or maybe both, before pregnancy?? Just so I can build more glandular tissue to prepare myself for breastfeeding? Or is that not a good idea?? How about if I combine either or both to my BO program?
I know BO is progesterone based.
I would love to know what you think.
Thank you IsabelleTongue
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#34

Well Melissa,

I don't think you need to. Progesterone builds glandular tissue. So BO will do it for you. And during pregnancy, natural progesterone increases tenfold. If that doesn't grow glandular tissue, I wouldn't know what will.

The documents you quoted give pregnancy advice. I linked a book here
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=30261&highlight=pregnancy+AND+breastfeeding#pid30261
and there are tons of other pregnancy herbals and lactation guides. Search books.google.com, and get a good one. Pregnancy and lactation are actually the only times in your life when regular medical practitioners will help you get off meds and on herbs, because that's the advice in their books.

Read up on when to take what. I would actually concentrate on estrogens (build milk ducts) and on ovulation (regular cycle) before your next pregnancy. Re-evaluate your previous pregnancy and re-evaluate your diet thoroughly: you're probably not getting nearly enough folic acid and GLA. When we were preparing for pregnancy, we ate spinach nearly every other day!

Half way your next pregnancy, you still have enough time to build the glandular tissue. The natural progesterone increase should help. If your natural progesterone increase was not enough during the latest pregnancy, get a doctor to work on that.

The minute your baby is born, everything changes. That is the time to start the galactogogues. But there is a lot of difference between them. FG, GR, and nigella sativa are interchangeable, but fennel is clearly a progestin. My current list of galactogogues is here, under "prolactin":
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=35038#pid35038

The hormone that causes the contractions to drive the milk out is oxytocin. there are even herbs to stimulate that, like Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis).

And after breastfeeding, get on a FG-WY program asap, to prevent losing what you have.
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#35

Isabelle, this is why I love you!!!Tongue
You seriously need to write a book or something, I would be one of the many people that would buy it!!!
Thank you so much Isabelle, you make this forum so much fun and I absoloutley love your posts!!
Thank you so much for the reply, it made so much sense!!
When you say I should concentrate on estrogens before my next pregnancy, what do you recommend I take for that?
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#36

You're very welcome, Melissa,

The book: I'm sleeping on it. The more people it will help, the higher the risks would be for me, since I'm not a medical professional. So I don't know what format to write in, and it would take a lot more research to get it right: I don't know anybody who tried Rosemary for oxytocin, so how am I sure it works?

As for estrogens, you are preparing for a pregnancy, when you can't take anything. So concentrate on road testing your system, to see if it can do everything it will need to do. What comes to my mind first is wild yam. That is not a phyto-estrogen, but it blocks half of the metabolism of estrone. If you manage to get even a few symptoms of estrogen dominance or excess, on wild yam, you know your body can make the estrogens.

But in pregancy, the main estrogen is estriol:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=35481#pid35481
Susan and I are still looking for ways to up estriol selectively. You can also look at it the other way round: use estradiol to build longer milk ducts now, while you still have it. That would be WY, hops, or PM.

But I don't want to talk you out of BO now, you just started. BO sites usually have tons of advice on what to take with it. Isn't there anything on preparing for pregnancy?
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#37

Hi Isabelle!
Don't worry, you are not talking me out of doing the BO. I want to committ myself to the BO and NB for at least 6 months, maybe even a year, we will see! I want my breasts to fully develop so I wouldn't mind being on it for 1 year as long as I am seeing changes.
I was just exploring my options after I get off of it, I know I am thinking way ahead, but I am just curious and my mind won't shut up, lol!
Because I don't know if you could understand it, maybe your ex can, but when I couldn't no longer breastfeed, I was devastated, I think I almost became depressed but I had wonderful family and friends who made me feel so much better!
So I am looking for ways to prepare myself so hopefully I can successfully breasted my next baby.

Thank you Isabelle!
Lots of love!!
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#38

Thank you Melissa,

Believe me, I understand. Our first baby was still losing weight at two weeks. Talk about being devastated. My ex only gave up after she found her mother's notebooks. But when we started cow's milk, suffering was not over for our baby. Then a formula. Still allergic. Another formula. Same. An older colleague of my ex's told her he knew where this story ended, after three more formulas: soy milk. We switched to soy milk immediately, and it worked. What a relief. The younger two got soy milk immediately.

But the first baby is now a healthy 18 year old who starts university next week. She is in a stable relationship. So five years from now, the story starts all over again. So, you're right, I never had to face the feeling of inadequacy of not being able to feed my baby (although it crossed my mind when my breasts first grew), but I still have a strong personal interest in what you share about your learning.

And I wish you all the best, of course. Think about a book that could help women with this!
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#39

Thank you Isabelle.

Although, my baby wasn't losing weight , I can imagine how you felt so devastated and scared. So "the baby" is 18 now? Doesn't time go by so fast? LOL!

When I hopefully learn everything I can about insufficient glandular tissue, and find ways to (hopefully) overcome it. I don't know if someone can actually do that, but I was thinking to do a whole website about it to help other women. But, I think it'll be about 2-3 years from now. We are thinking to have a baby in maybe 2-3 years.
I would like to try things myself and see the results and hopefully give others advice so that they can have the knowledge. I honestly feel like that insufficient glandular tissue is something that hardly anyone ever talks about or knows about. I would like to spread awareness of it. Maybe someone can't "cure" or "fix" glandular tissue completley, but I now know that there are things that can be done during pregnancy and after birth that can help tremendously and I did not know that before and I want others to know that there are things to do to help.
I went to 3 Lactation Consultants when I was breastfeeding and they all saw my breasts and none of them said that I might have a possibility of insufficient glandular tissue, I honestly don't think they knew about it.
Oh well.....
You live and learn, right?Tongue
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#40

And you get a lot wiser along the way. I wasn't impressed by lactation consultants either. But how would they know, without a good book or a good website by someone who's been there?

I was doing this search on scholar.google.nl, and stopped taking notes at about a quarter of the hits I got. What if you or I take some time to do it over, and add "glandular" to the search terms? In all of those books, there must be someone who wrote something intelligent about it.


scholar.google.nl
Search terms: "breast enhancement hops fenugreek"

2009 RM Tshiteya
Herbal Medicines for Common Ailments: A Quick Reference Guide
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=kSPpI9J1q5AC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=5yZPpu1jxq&sig=rIlMEliuB3XV6v_SGBDrc7LpH4w#v=onepage&q&f=false

2008 Dr. Stacey Rosenberg
Natural Pregnancy, Natural Baby: Natural Remedies for Pregnancy, Birth and Post-Partum Discomforts
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=WElF8oOqr3MC&oi=fnd&pg=PA11&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=ltPpk3v_5f&sig=yytiwZO0t6g3TE6nkm6DZVIB5FE#v=onepage&q&f=false

2007 Susan Seligson
Stacked: a 32DDD reports from the front
http://books.google.nl/books?id=tl_Ng99qFy0C&pg=PA149&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&hl=nl&ei=A3NGToFakZ_5BqfxqecG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=breast%20enhancement%20hops%20fenugreek&f=false

Prescription for nutritional healing
PA Balch - 2006
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=2s_q2y_J3rwC&oi=fnd&pg=PR13&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=cS-3sRMgBY&sig=qkRRZRivtTEXZH7JNFOpLrMsSYY#v=onepage&q&f=false

HEALING Herbal Teas (Volume 1 of 2)(EasyRead Super Large 24pt Edition)
B Mars - 2009
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=iFvyKltCvngC&oi=fnd&pg=PR2&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=0iPqOVY03r&sig=Tf2dKWN99WijPfEjHYiOKTC1oAY#v=onepage&q&f=false

The nursing mother's companion
K Huggins - 2005
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=2ysSlIzgnSwC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=L6H6SEsMjS&sig=s-jxDL-O9Xqyyv-aFA-CpWkSBFM#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Nursing Mother's Companion: Easyread Large Edition
K Huggins - 2010
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=zn83mQ6YptwC&oi=fnd&pg=PR1&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=i1GpUaCUSQ&sig=47gp1tdAn23ExJWibHPZ1373AoU#v=onepage&q&f=false

Herbal Therapeutics
P Raven… - 2007
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=pWRtbrOKWq4C&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=SSo6Fuuv48&sig=CLEV1BQQ0uxp15-k3EE20vXHZ4k#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mama Knows Breast: A Beginner's Guide to Breastfeeding
A Silverman - 2007
http://scholar.google.nl/scholar?start=50&q=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&hl=nl&as_sdt=0

Recent Advances in Traditional Medicines and Dietary Supplements
J Prasain… - Plant-derived Natural Products, 2009 - Springer
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q30144528822238n/

Herbal Cure For Common Diseases
AV Rao - 2004
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=lDJzg0vpH7EC&oi=fnd&pg=PA15&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=03Idg6G5AA&sig=EqB88BxDnzgJVy6Ep4X8JZZ0ilg#v=onepage&q&f=false

The 5-minute herb and dietary supplement consult
A Fugh-Berman - 2003
http://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=UCR3CtwmjHMC&oi=fnd&pg=PA9&dq=breast+enhancement+hops+fenugreek&ots=3HA0Pkhzjc&sig=Yr_otnemc76M3K7kyGRXa8d9ewI#v=onepage&q&f=false
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