Hi Isabelle,
Well I am just around the point of 30 days of a program that has focused primarily on Hops (Liquid Extract PLUS Dried Strobiles) Testim, Fenugreek, and Teas (Licorice and Spearmint)
In a nutshell 1st thing in the AM (on an empty stomach) I have the Liquid Hops Extract in water ... this is supposed to be an anti-androgen. At night I have either the Hops Strobiles or Liquid Extract mixed with Yogurt and Granola ... this is supposed to be more "digested" and add phyto-estrogens.
About a 1/2 hour after my morning Hops I apply the Testim. This is what supplies my Testosterone ... the thought is that the anti-angrogen hops are in my system, I have plenty of Free T (been verified with blood test), DHT is suppressed (not sure how much) and so I end up with higher levels of Estradiol from the Testim.
I take FG during the day ... I like the swelling plus I am able to keep what I think is "estrogen dominance" symptoms in check. I usually have a spearmint tea at work maybe mid-morning to keep suppressing DHT. Licorice Tea I have whenever the urge strikes.
The evening Hops always tends to make me sleepy (very much so the strobiles) and I'm loving all of the dreams.
So all that being what it is I’m kinda at a point of indecision. I do see changes in the size of my boobs … measurements vary by 2” or so (remember I am Big to begin with) but they never seem to stay. I do feel things that I believe are due to hormonal changes/differences. (headaches, tingly feelings, aches and pains, my nipples get real big and hard when they are cold, other times they are so soft and smooth) I for sure feel differences in moods, energy, libido, sleepy, wired (physical and mental) but here’s the thing …. Nothing seems to continually progress forward. I can’t seem to get myself in a “place” where I feel right most of the time and I can’t seem to “progress forward consistently” with my breast size …. Even when I stick to the same pattern for a week … every day is different. Is this the “nature of the beast” and have I just not given it enough time?
I'd love to find a place where I have a reasonable amount of energy, and generally feeling happy ... I'm not really looking for "permanent" big boobs ... I've always had decent size pecs ... I'd like them to be more "shaped like a womans breast" but yet "maybe" still pass for pecs (I guess I want the difference to be most noticable
by me)
I'm wondering if I am one of those that "do digest hops into 8-pn" ... or maybe I'm not ... maybe that is what's holding me back from getting to a consistent place ... I guess I just don't know. Maybe Testim is working against me and my idea of "using it to help" is not viable.
I'm fairly certain that we don't have a stalling issue. I know from blood tests that my LH is pretty much rock bottom and my Testosterone is in a tube not made in my body.
I'm not looking for a solution ... just maybe a little insight.
Thanks ... karen
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I was looking over notes and thinking about things. One thing that may help consistency is to always take my morning liquid hops in water AND apply my Testim at the same time. I usually take the hops 1st ... and apply Testim afterwards ... and how much afterwards may vary. If I wait too long I could be crashing DHT Levels before the Testim is absorbed to help prevent the crash (more Free T, even though it is partially surpessed it may not drop as low)
Doesn't really the NBE part but could help even out how I feel in the early part of the day.
karen
Well I am just around the point of 30 days of a program that has focused primarily on Hops (Liquid Extract PLUS Dried Strobiles) Testim, Fenugreek, and Teas (Licorice and Spearmint)
In a nutshell 1st thing in the AM (on an empty stomach) I have the Liquid Hops Extract in water ... this is supposed to be an anti-androgen. At night I have either the Hops Strobiles or Liquid Extract mixed with Yogurt and Granola ... this is supposed to be more "digested" and add phyto-estrogens.
About a 1/2 hour after my morning Hops I apply the Testim. This is what supplies my Testosterone ... the thought is that the anti-angrogen hops are in my system, I have plenty of Free T (been verified with blood test), DHT is suppressed (not sure how much) and so I end up with higher levels of Estradiol from the Testim.
I take FG during the day ... I like the swelling plus I am able to keep what I think is "estrogen dominance" symptoms in check. I usually have a spearmint tea at work maybe mid-morning to keep suppressing DHT. Licorice Tea I have whenever the urge strikes.
The evening Hops always tends to make me sleepy (very much so the strobiles) and I'm loving all of the dreams.
So all that being what it is I’m kinda at a point of indecision. I do see changes in the size of my boobs … measurements vary by 2” or so (remember I am Big to begin with) but they never seem to stay. I do feel things that I believe are due to hormonal changes/differences. (headaches, tingly feelings, aches and pains, my nipples get real big and hard when they are cold, other times they are so soft and smooth) I for sure feel differences in moods, energy, libido, sleepy, wired (physical and mental) but here’s the thing …. Nothing seems to continually progress forward. I can’t seem to get myself in a “place” where I feel right most of the time and I can’t seem to “progress forward consistently” with my breast size …. Even when I stick to the same pattern for a week … every day is different. Is this the “nature of the beast” and have I just not given it enough time?
I'd love to find a place where I have a reasonable amount of energy, and generally feeling happy ... I'm not really looking for "permanent" big boobs ... I've always had decent size pecs ... I'd like them to be more "shaped like a womans breast" but yet "maybe" still pass for pecs (I guess I want the difference to be most noticable
by me)
I'm wondering if I am one of those that "do digest hops into 8-pn" ... or maybe I'm not ... maybe that is what's holding me back from getting to a consistent place ... I guess I just don't know. Maybe Testim is working against me and my idea of "using it to help" is not viable.
I'm fairly certain that we don't have a stalling issue. I know from blood tests that my LH is pretty much rock bottom and my Testosterone is in a tube not made in my body.
I'm not looking for a solution ... just maybe a little insight.
Thanks ... karen
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I was looking over notes and thinking about things. One thing that may help consistency is to always take my morning liquid hops in water AND apply my Testim at the same time. I usually take the hops 1st ... and apply Testim afterwards ... and how much afterwards may vary. If I wait too long I could be crashing DHT Levels before the Testim is absorbed to help prevent the crash (more Free T, even though it is partially surpessed it may not drop as low)
Doesn't really the NBE part but could help even out how I feel in the early part of the day.
karen