27-03-2012, 05:55 PM
I haven't started soy yet, because I'm still not sure about the dose. Judging by the results of the cosupplementation study, I felt the researchers had overdosed the soy:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41283#pid41283
Well, they actually checked it. They gave their normal supplement doses to women who were waiting for an aesthetic breast reduction. After surgery, they analysed breast tissue for estrogenic metabolites of the phyto-estrogens. They did this study for soy
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/4/976.full
and for hops:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.200900519/abstract?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
In the soy study, they found that the overall estrogenic effect of those metabolites was 21-fold and 40-fold higher than the natural 17β-estradiol concentrations in the adipose and the glandular fractions of the breast tissue, respectively. In the hops study, the overall estrogenic effect was negligible compared with 17β-estradiol in both adipose and glandular tissue. In other words, soy concentrates in breast tissue. Hops tends to stay out of it.
I already pointed out that in the cosupplementation study, the soy dose was 20 times higher than in Eve M's program:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41270#pid41270
The results of the checks the researchers did on the dose suggest that the dose is 21 to 40 times too high, or even more, in comparison with a hops dose. A niece of mine actually got her PhD working in the same building. Haven't seen her in almost a year, but maybe she could introduce me to some people for a good discussion
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41283#pid41283
Well, they actually checked it. They gave their normal supplement doses to women who were waiting for an aesthetic breast reduction. After surgery, they analysed breast tissue for estrogenic metabolites of the phyto-estrogens. They did this study for soy
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/4/976.full
and for hops:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.200900519/abstract?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
In the soy study, they found that the overall estrogenic effect of those metabolites was 21-fold and 40-fold higher than the natural 17β-estradiol concentrations in the adipose and the glandular fractions of the breast tissue, respectively. In the hops study, the overall estrogenic effect was negligible compared with 17β-estradiol in both adipose and glandular tissue. In other words, soy concentrates in breast tissue. Hops tends to stay out of it.
I already pointed out that in the cosupplementation study, the soy dose was 20 times higher than in Eve M's program:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41270#pid41270
The results of the checks the researchers did on the dose suggest that the dose is 21 to 40 times too high, or even more, in comparison with a hops dose. A niece of mine actually got her PhD working in the same building. Haven't seen her in almost a year, but maybe she could introduce me to some people for a good discussion