04-12-2011, 12:35 PM
I must admit again that Eve M's program is very balanced. Even the doses are right. My favorite study
http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/estr...tml#table3
is about 200 ml soy milk (1 cup = 237 ml) and 2,000 mg of the dried, powdered herbs.
Eve M drank about 1/2 cup on average, and added the rest as 1,000 mg soy meal. Since the USDA (2nd post above this one) lists soy meal as 100 times stronger than soy milk, Eve M's doses add up to 200 ml soy milk or 2,000 mg soy meal, just as in my favorite study.
The co-supplementation study
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/12/2293.full
probably over dosed the soy. Soy isoflavones supplements are just too strong. Some of the observed effects could be artifacts of the high dose. The people who were tested did very well on soy alone, but may have stalled when hops and flax were added.
Soy meal is three times stronger than tempeh, and tempeh is three times stronger than tofu. So the daily doses are 6 and 19 g. That fits with traditional Asian recipes, but you can expect to stall if you try a tofu steak or burger
Eve M's flax seed dose is only 1,000 mg. There may be an allowance for all the lignans from whole meal and multi grain bread, which maybe add another 1,000 or 2,000 mg. I'll look for a good list of SDG in grains. Whole flax seed is only 20 % oil, so people using the oil could be over dosing the lignans.
My tape day is not tomorrow, but next week Monday. After that, I will align my flax and oats doses with Eve M's. And two weeks later, start soy.
http://www.cancersupportivecare.com/estr...tml#table3
is about 200 ml soy milk (1 cup = 237 ml) and 2,000 mg of the dried, powdered herbs.
Eve M drank about 1/2 cup on average, and added the rest as 1,000 mg soy meal. Since the USDA (2nd post above this one) lists soy meal as 100 times stronger than soy milk, Eve M's doses add up to 200 ml soy milk or 2,000 mg soy meal, just as in my favorite study.
The co-supplementation study
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/12/2293.full
probably over dosed the soy. Soy isoflavones supplements are just too strong. Some of the observed effects could be artifacts of the high dose. The people who were tested did very well on soy alone, but may have stalled when hops and flax were added.
Soy meal is three times stronger than tempeh, and tempeh is three times stronger than tofu. So the daily doses are 6 and 19 g. That fits with traditional Asian recipes, but you can expect to stall if you try a tofu steak or burger
Eve M's flax seed dose is only 1,000 mg. There may be an allowance for all the lignans from whole meal and multi grain bread, which maybe add another 1,000 or 2,000 mg. I'll look for a good list of SDG in grains. Whole flax seed is only 20 % oil, so people using the oil could be over dosing the lignans.
My tape day is not tomorrow, but next week Monday. After that, I will align my flax and oats doses with Eve M's. And two weeks later, start soy.