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That's good news
I would't consider PM a xenoestrogen. Those are synthetic chemicals that were suspected of decreasing sperm count and quality, 15 years ago. I never read a conclusion, I mean really solid research showing what the real cause was, after all was said and done.
But then, many men on this forum report not staying Fully Functional for long on PM. So for all practical purposes, you could call it a xenoestrogen That does not mean it will decrease your sex drive, though. Wahaika explained in his January 21, 2004 post in this thread why testosterone should increase in NBE, certainly if it's working:
http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029
The short version is that estrogen is made from testosterone. So the increase in estrogen that causes NBE is always the result of higher testosterone. You notice the testosterone increase itself only in higher sex drive, more energy, and more upbeat mood. But more testosterone will also make more DHT. DHT is the cause of breakouts, hair loss, facial and body hair, etc.
Just assume maca increases DHEA, as I posted above. Then, following the arrow diagram in Wahaika's post, you will have more progesterone, testosterone, DHT and estrogen. The estrogen goes into negative feedback, and stops NBE. DHT breaks you out. Progesterone will postpone your period. Testosterone gives you good energy and sex drive. PM can trigger negative feedback at low doses:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...4104001667
Wahaika's simplified scheme helps to memorize the overall picture, but it does not explain everything you reported in your program thread. For instance, why do you stall completely on PC, while other women don't. The most helpful map of the endocrine system I have found is this one. It beats me why it's on a reli site, and what all the colors are for:
http://healyourselfathomefl.health.offic...erone.aspx
Follow the arrows, and you see that additional progesterone can also be converted to estrogen. Scroll a few pages down, and you see how the negative feedback system works: too high estrogen decreases LH, which shuts down estrogen production. It also says somewhere there that progesterone also increases sex drive.
What to do? You could try Wahaika's stall test. If it shows you are stalled, lower maca and PM. But you may have to break before growth really takes off. Personally, I think it'd be a shame to stop while your system is firing on all cylinders. Look at the arrows: even if your body's own estrogen production is stalled, you could still make it all from the DHEA from maca. All you need then is a progesterone blocker, and Wahaika suggests two: oregano and damiana. Don't worry about the progestinic effect of oregano and damiana themselves: since they block the route from DHEA to progesterone, the net effect will probably be a decrease in progesterone.
Once the roads to progesterone and DHT are blocked (DHT by a good antiandrogen), you could pump high doses of maca into the system: all of it will end up as estrogen. I know only one example of too much maca: jhajha21 on pages 16, 17, and 22 of this thread:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=148128&PN=16&title=the-maca-root-users
Get ready for a wild ride
That's good news
I would't consider PM a xenoestrogen. Those are synthetic chemicals that were suspected of decreasing sperm count and quality, 15 years ago. I never read a conclusion, I mean really solid research showing what the real cause was, after all was said and done.
But then, many men on this forum report not staying Fully Functional for long on PM. So for all practical purposes, you could call it a xenoestrogen That does not mean it will decrease your sex drive, though. Wahaika explained in his January 21, 2004 post in this thread why testosterone should increase in NBE, certainly if it's working:
http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029
The short version is that estrogen is made from testosterone. So the increase in estrogen that causes NBE is always the result of higher testosterone. You notice the testosterone increase itself only in higher sex drive, more energy, and more upbeat mood. But more testosterone will also make more DHT. DHT is the cause of breakouts, hair loss, facial and body hair, etc.
Just assume maca increases DHEA, as I posted above. Then, following the arrow diagram in Wahaika's post, you will have more progesterone, testosterone, DHT and estrogen. The estrogen goes into negative feedback, and stops NBE. DHT breaks you out. Progesterone will postpone your period. Testosterone gives you good energy and sex drive. PM can trigger negative feedback at low doses:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...4104001667
Wahaika's simplified scheme helps to memorize the overall picture, but it does not explain everything you reported in your program thread. For instance, why do you stall completely on PC, while other women don't. The most helpful map of the endocrine system I have found is this one. It beats me why it's on a reli site, and what all the colors are for:
http://healyourselfathomefl.health.offic...erone.aspx
Follow the arrows, and you see that additional progesterone can also be converted to estrogen. Scroll a few pages down, and you see how the negative feedback system works: too high estrogen decreases LH, which shuts down estrogen production. It also says somewhere there that progesterone also increases sex drive.
What to do? You could try Wahaika's stall test. If it shows you are stalled, lower maca and PM. But you may have to break before growth really takes off. Personally, I think it'd be a shame to stop while your system is firing on all cylinders. Look at the arrows: even if your body's own estrogen production is stalled, you could still make it all from the DHEA from maca. All you need then is a progesterone blocker, and Wahaika suggests two: oregano and damiana. Don't worry about the progestinic effect of oregano and damiana themselves: since they block the route from DHEA to progesterone, the net effect will probably be a decrease in progesterone.
Once the roads to progesterone and DHT are blocked (DHT by a good antiandrogen), you could pump high doses of maca into the system: all of it will end up as estrogen. I know only one example of too much maca: jhajha21 on pages 16, 17, and 22 of this thread:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=148128&PN=16&title=the-maca-root-users
Get ready for a wild ride