[Isabelle]

Thank you

And keep at it. Efforts like these need people who know what they're doing. Keep reading, too. Your major is closer than mine: chemical engineering. But finding obscure literature and driving experiments has been my job for 25 years

In the two months I have been on here, the forum have covered more ground than the scientific literature since 2003. Imagine. Don't underestimate the importance of what you're doing here.

I need you. I don't even have a cycle

[Ginie]

Hi Dear.
I am now spotting... I don't know what went wrong!!!! I took the pills just like everyone takes them. I don't take any other pills exept the PM. My body temp is still low...35.8-35.9 I am now on day 22 of my cycle.
Should I panic or should I not? I didn't understand what you said....
when I ovulate...I don't have much of a difference in the morning body temp reading...I think its a different of 0.5-1.0 a change in the body temp. So I don't know when I really ovulate...it confuses me a lot! My cycle usually is 28 days...so I assumed that I ovualte on day 14. but again there are some cycles that I have a long cycle...up till 32 days. Now I think that my cycle will be really long...my body temp didn't go up yet...and I am now on day 22 of my cycle.

Hi Eva, the fact that there's almost no change in temperature is actually not good. It means you have "luteal phase deficiency" which mean very low progesterone. I hope you understand what this means - hormonal imbalance. Low progesterone is one of the major reasons women can't get pregrant (or actually they can concieve but without high progesterone in luteal phase the egg can't survive). High progesterone - high temperature, easy to remember! Btw, high progesterone in luteal phase is equally imprtant for NBE as high estrogen in follicular phase.

It's easy to understand when you ovlate if you do BBT charting. You should mark a drop of temperature 2 days before your ovulation, it's significant and it's easy to notice. Look at your charts, somewhere about days 8 - 14. After that drop your temperature should only be climbing up until dropping down before period. In luteal phase it should be closer to 37 while in follicular - around 35-36.

You can add PC in luteal phase and see if it makes the difference.

[Ginie]

Spotting can also be attributed to low progesterone. There're of course many reasons for spotting. Usually everybody thinks about endometreosis when they're spotting few days before period but if you don't experience severe pain right before and during the period then it's mostly progesterone deficiency. can you ask your doctor about it?

[Ginie]

Isabelle

I believe you are on to something. I was suppose to start AF on the 27th. Here it is the 29th, and nothing. Slight cramping, but nothing else. I stopped taking the PM on the 12th, which was the 13th day of my cycle. I have extreme rounded breasts and the fullness is absolutly amazing which showed up on the 26th when I woke up. I'm not to worried about getting pregnant. Between the 2 of us we have 6 children, and I have my tubes tied. I however don't want to mess up my cycle. It's weird though. Because the first month I took the PM throughout my whole cycle, with no delay in af coming. No good changes in breasts, but definitly deflated breasts from taking PM the whole cycle. And this month I do half and half, and my breasts are full and beautiful, even though they are still small. Wonder if it's working? Also, I take Ainterol PM 500mg, when I wake up, and when I go to bed. Haven't been doing any massages or batters. On day 13 I stop the pm, and take nothing but Multi, MSM, Gaba, and Vit C. Then on Day 14 I started the FG and Hops in addition to the others. On the 26th I woke up happy with the swelling I guess you could call it. Then I started the PM on the 27th which was day 28 of my cycle, when I always start. I didn't have any tingles or growth feelings until that day. But nothing now but bloating and slight cramping. I also take powdered form Hops and FG from mountain-roseherbs. I only took it twice a day instead of 3 times. Thanks so much for your help. What do you think about adding progesterone cream?

Also ladies....I found a recipe to make your own WY progesterone cream.

Buy wild yam roots from a whole food store or online. ( haven't looked to see how hard this would be to attain). Then you put roots in a bowl, and put enough water in the bowl with the roots to soak up. You place roots in mason jar halfway up with roots. Then fill the rest with lard or oil, whatever you want to use as your cream base, then you pressure cook on 10 for 30 minutes. I believe you can also hot water bath for longer, haven't tried it yet. When the pressure cooking is done, the oil or lard will have all the wild yam root juices in it it. Then you just scrape the cream stuff out, and you have progesterone cream. Only problem is you don't know how potent it really is. So you have to kinda take it slow. But it should prove relatively cheaper than buying the cream itself. That's gonna be my next project.

Sorry about the Novel all!

Hi MoK217! I didn't quite understand - you started taking PM on day 28 WITHOUT getting your period??

[Isabelle]

Hi MoK217,

I made this table:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8440&pid=32874&highlight=cycle#pid32874
"BS" is Breast Success. You can replace that by hops and FG.

[luisa]

I just started taking PM...I am now on day 21 of my cycle...and my morning body temp is way too low!!!!! At this time of the month I am supposed to by around the 36.3-36.5. And now I am at 35.8-36.0.
I took PM on the 1st day of my cycle till day 12. and since then I just was using the cream.
Now I think that the PM messed up my whole cycle!
I started with taking only one pill of PM. it contains 300mg.
What should I do???

Eva_bs, Is it possible that you have underactive thyroid as low bbt is also one of the symptomps? Here is a link to an articles listing the symptoms: http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyr...hyroid.htm
According to this article, the avarage bbt during the first three days of your cycle should be between 97.4 and 98.2 degrees Fahrenheit (which is 36.33 and 36.7 Celsius)

[luisa]

Hi MoK217,

I made this table:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8440&pid=32874&highlight=cycle#pid32874
"BS" is Breast Success. You can replace that by hops and FG.

Hi Isabelle, I hope you do not mind me asking but how would you amend this table for someone who is on bc and PM? I am on yasmin which consists of synthetic versions of oestrogen and progesterone. So I do not ovulate. 21 days of my 28-days cycle (i.e. the days during which I take the pill) my bbt is raised, obviously due to the high progesterone. I take the pill during day 6-26 of my cycle (inclusive). My period (or to be precise the withdrawal bleed) is on days 1 to 5. Many thanks.

[Isabelle]

Hi Luisa,

That's already in the table, if you replace "BS" by "bc". Only in the table, the time without bc is longer, which is not safe for pregnancy risk. Between days 16 and 24, you can take extra phyto-progestins, with a smaller amount of phyto-estrogens if you want to use that time for growth. You can peak them on days 20-23. Think licorice or red clover, or a combination like hops and fennel, with fenugreek for extra swelling. If you can't stay progesterone dominant during days 16-24, try fennel or progesterone cream. Ginie knows a lot more about that.

Your bc schedule already regulates the cycle. You only want to increase estrogens for growth, over the whole cycle but especially on days 6-11, while making sure you are progesterone dominant during days 16-24.

Does this make sense? Or would a table with PM, bc, and RC help? Or do you plan for using others instead of PM and RC?

[luisa]

Hi Isabelle,
Many thanks for your response. It does make sense!
Because of my bc I jump over days 6 to 16 of a normal cycle when the egg is preparing to be released and is then released and go straight to day 16, i.e. post-ovulation. Basically the days 16-24 are days 6 to 26 in my cycle. In a way I am benefiting from bc since I have longer time for growth during the luteal phase, right? I have fennel tea, fenugreek and goat's rue capsules at home at the moment. Can I use these? I would love to start taking fenugreek again since it helped me a lot with my milk supply when I was breastfeeding and made my breasts very sore very quickly when I used it for NBE. I will have to look into hops. I do not even know what hops is in German where I live at the moment so I would need to research first. What about the amounts?
Unfortunatelly, days 6-11 are not part of my cycle but lots of women grow whilst on bc so it looks like it is not necessary to ovulate in order to grow. Hopefully, it will not be a problem.

[GorgeousBlonde]

I take PM and Goat's Rue days 1 to 13 and Goat's Rue the rest of the time.