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(08-01-2022, 03:43 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Shatavari is good.  Goat’s rue is good too though weaker iirc and toxic in very high amounts.  Wild yam is good too.  It’s not toxic even in high amounts, very similar to fenugreek in active components (minus the maple), but iirc it’s also weaker.  Fennel is good for nbe but I’m not sure if it has the same components that these all do, steroidal saponins.  It might be a weak phytoestrogen or a combination of things.  I could never pin it down from what I read.  More on shatavari in sig link.



Agreed you should only take up to 2000mg goats rue iirc and it keeps the estrogen receptors sensitive which is very important, as for fennel it is mildly estrogenic, helps increase prolactin and also has a huge array of other health benefits, the only thing I disagree with from research is wild yam I mean it has potential to reduce menopausal symptoms however research shows the compound in it cannot be converted by the body naturally to estrogen/progesterone without going through a lab first.

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I don’t remember the exact amount but I think the toxic amount of goat’s rue in animal studies was equivalent to a human amount of around 40,000 mg.  Still you do want a large safety margin and animals are not necessarily the same as humans.  Others weren’t toxic in any amount except for messing up reproductive organs in extremely large amounts, causing infertility.  For example replacing 1/3rd of the diet with fenugreek seeds (e.g., nothing but fenugreek for breakfast).  I’m betting because of the extremely high hormonal impact.
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(09-01-2022, 12:51 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: I don’t remember the exact amount but I think the toxic amount of goat’s rue in animal studies was equivalent to a human amount of around 40,000 mg.  Still you do want a large safety margin and animals are not necessarily the same as humans.  Others weren’t toxic in any amount except for messing up reproductive organs in extremely large amounts, causing infertility.  For example replacing 1/3rd of the diet with fenugreek seeds (e.g., nothing but fenugreek for breakfast).  I’m betting because of the extremely high hormonal impact.



Oh wow holy smokes thats a LARGE dose of goats rue, but I agree like u said you want a large safety margin so I will stick to maximum 2000mg of goats rue!

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