[Bonny]

BAM!
Thanks!

I see you found your answer to your previous question 'does age matter', from what ive read no it doesn't appear to just may need to think about how to raise igf eg. Msm, vit d and exercise particularly hiit (lotus) - there are a few others ways too. Younger ones potentially have it easier due to hgh/igf still being available naturally in good amounts.  

Could be element you were missing igf in your program along with high prolactin. I read a study on PM where subjects that took PM and had higher levels of igf grew 'significantly' while those who had low igf had no growth (sorry couldnt find study ill keep looking for it).

Thanks Bonny. You have been really helpful and your thread is very informative. I had a good read.
I started taking MSM (2g/day) recently. I haven't checked my Vit D levels recently but was checked while I was pregnant and they were borderline. I guess I need to add Vit D to my routine.

I read the article. Its very informative. Thanks again!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_b...nhancement

The study also highlights that oral estrogen suppresses IGF-1 production, while estrogen administered via other methods are more effective than oral estrogen. Aha!

Another thing id consider is taking coconut oil, its great source of healthy fat which you need for boobs and a soooo much other stuff that directly relates to nbe. If you do a search on here you'll find heapssss on its benefits. 

Its on my staples list for nbe, especially because am on the lean side as far as weight and i eat plant based with limited processed foods (i do eat eggs) so not alot of fats. 

Are you considering lower your PM amount?

 And are you still producing any breast milk? If yes consider no massage/nipple stimulation for few weeks/months to try to decrease prolactin. I had to do this myself as i was still producing b.milk a while after stopping feeding.

And yes about study but also note the estrogen administered was 'chemical' in nature so maybe room for discrepancies with herbal supps as we all know different things behave differently in body. I found the study on fenugreek interesting 600mg daily seen marked increases in E levels (seems to be best study reference for increasing E with supps ive seen).

Its all synergy and its working out your combination to get that synergy. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa or you could be the one to stumble apon the right combo for all lol

Coconut is a staple food in our house. We have a coconut tree in our backyard : Oil, milk, cream, water... you name it, we consume it. I wonder, as an Asian, we consume a lot of estrogenic foods, for instance fenugreek (leaves, seeds, powder) are again a staple at home, then why don't I have breast tissue? And probably another factor for the estrogenic herbs to not work so well with my body.

That makes the two of us. Lean type, prefer eating veggies and less fats. I actually dont recall when was the last time I had red meat or even consumed milk for that matter. I am a conscious eater and consume negligible processed food. I call it emergency food.

I am in my luteal, so have started ramping down. I am planning on making my own massage oil with PM for next cycle and will take it from there. Not gonna take the pills internally for now. Between Biovea recommends taking two pills a day (1g). I believe their PM is a compound and now pure. Its brownish black in color as opposed to white/yellowish.

I agree when you say its all about 'baking (your own) cake', I just have to be patient and find the right ingredients. Grateful that you stumbled upon me :

Yes i think that's where alot of us go wrong, we focus on estrogen when we enter nbe journey, and fail to note the importance of other hormones.  I'd suggest for you to have a look at progesterone as it is a major player in breast development also.  I personally found progesterone very helpful, it creates side branching for breast in my case it help me develop a good base i didn't have before, it also helped me create a balance between E & P.

And remember that androgens and also high prolactin can make any effort in nbe fruitless, so work out if you need to consider these in your plan along with any nutritional gaps (vitamins/minerals/fats/omegas etc). 

Keep researching and you'll find what you need.