22-12-2018, 10:03 PM
Originally from here:
https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=29399&pid=204123#pid204123
Progesterone Cream
Tbh am not sure if any hormonal testing is accurate because we have fluctuations throughout cycle of all hormones, so when would be the time to test? You'd really have to collect samples through a whole cycle to get a clear picture; or at best i guess they (doc/scientists/pathologist) could make some assumptions from a 'normal' base line cycle however am not sure anyone is 'normal'. Idk am really sceptical i think all hormonal test results need to used as a possible guide but not gospel?
I did read i think above in this thread, that it can take 6-12mons to restore low progesterone levels so perhaps thats why you had not noted any changes but like you and article pointed out maybe it's more to do with application location, i know Lotus advocated for pc on breast but from memory every other day. Am yet to find any literature that talks of saturation, i think that has come up because progesterone is said to be fat soluble however aren't all hormones fat soluble and people apply PM, FG etc directly to breast daily? I still think you have to cycle because it stops down-regulations of receptors (when they think they have enough of said hormone so stop making receptors available). I think cycling will help avoid excess of hormones especially E, and from what i read it maybe hard to 'over do' pc.
There other ways to increase progesterone eg vitex increases LH therefore progesterone and walnuts are said to increase progesterone however once again no literate to support these ideas. Pc scientifically does improve levels found in salvia but doesn't increase serum levels but what does this really mean who knows and most studies were short duration eg 3 months. But as you mentioned its possible it maybe staying localized to where its applied hence why you dont see serum levels change however you do see increase of progesterone in salvia obviously some process is happening that science cant figure out yet.
It does make you really consider original link i posted about applying directly to breast because thats where receptors are, if blood levels dont improve from topical pc however thats where we're getting told to apply by manufacturers; is it even getting into blood stream seems only salvia levels raise not serum levels. Are we wasting it putting it on thin skin areas in hopes to get it into blood stream? Seems a little wasteful?
I did find this
"Progesterone and Vitamin D. Numerous studies show that vitamin D and progesterone work in synergy. They “fight” abnormal or dangerously prolonged inflammation, especially in the brain, nervous system, and even the gut wall. Vitamin D deficiency or even insufficiency (you have low normal levels but not enough to protect you) has been demonstrated to cause and worsen progesterone signaling and block the body’s ability to use progesterone, even if it’s in normal levels in the bloodstream."
From here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/medium.com/...2926ea9c84
Seems vitamin d is a big player i recently found studies that it works in synergy with igf too if levels are low in one it is in other too.
Disclaimer Like i always say am not giving advice to anyone and everyone needs to read and research their own choices, i simply regurgitate what ive read or found and hope it helps someone. But take what you find useful and forget the rest.
https://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=29399&pid=204123#pid204123
Progesterone Cream
Tbh am not sure if any hormonal testing is accurate because we have fluctuations throughout cycle of all hormones, so when would be the time to test? You'd really have to collect samples through a whole cycle to get a clear picture; or at best i guess they (doc/scientists/pathologist) could make some assumptions from a 'normal' base line cycle however am not sure anyone is 'normal'. Idk am really sceptical i think all hormonal test results need to used as a possible guide but not gospel?
I did read i think above in this thread, that it can take 6-12mons to restore low progesterone levels so perhaps thats why you had not noted any changes but like you and article pointed out maybe it's more to do with application location, i know Lotus advocated for pc on breast but from memory every other day. Am yet to find any literature that talks of saturation, i think that has come up because progesterone is said to be fat soluble however aren't all hormones fat soluble and people apply PM, FG etc directly to breast daily? I still think you have to cycle because it stops down-regulations of receptors (when they think they have enough of said hormone so stop making receptors available). I think cycling will help avoid excess of hormones especially E, and from what i read it maybe hard to 'over do' pc.
There other ways to increase progesterone eg vitex increases LH therefore progesterone and walnuts are said to increase progesterone however once again no literate to support these ideas. Pc scientifically does improve levels found in salvia but doesn't increase serum levels but what does this really mean who knows and most studies were short duration eg 3 months. But as you mentioned its possible it maybe staying localized to where its applied hence why you dont see serum levels change however you do see increase of progesterone in salvia obviously some process is happening that science cant figure out yet.
It does make you really consider original link i posted about applying directly to breast because thats where receptors are, if blood levels dont improve from topical pc however thats where we're getting told to apply by manufacturers; is it even getting into blood stream seems only salvia levels raise not serum levels. Are we wasting it putting it on thin skin areas in hopes to get it into blood stream? Seems a little wasteful?
I did find this
"Progesterone and Vitamin D. Numerous studies show that vitamin D and progesterone work in synergy. They “fight” abnormal or dangerously prolonged inflammation, especially in the brain, nervous system, and even the gut wall. Vitamin D deficiency or even insufficiency (you have low normal levels but not enough to protect you) has been demonstrated to cause and worsen progesterone signaling and block the body’s ability to use progesterone, even if it’s in normal levels in the bloodstream."
From here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/medium.com/...2926ea9c84
Seems vitamin d is a big player i recently found studies that it works in synergy with igf too if levels are low in one it is in other too.
Disclaimer Like i always say am not giving advice to anyone and everyone needs to read and research their own choices, i simply regurgitate what ive read or found and hope it helps someone. But take what you find useful and forget the rest.