[Loverandfighter]

Also, anyone here have any success (big or small) with vitex or fenugreek? I wanted to get Shatavari but no luck...

pay attention to vitex, it's ok for Low progesterone, but it decreases your FSH and increase your LH, so it can lead you to an excess of androgens. this can be nasty. i Think White peony is better, but i'm not sure, i need more information, i'm studying!

Oh good to know! I already have a hard time with body hair (surprisingly not as much now) but perhaps I could research it as well. 

Also same with the bovine ovary and butt thing. I think BO just made me estrogen dom. and depressed. 

I don't take MSM at the moment since the supplements like brewer's yeast, rice bran& golden fiber, fish and etc would contain enough but I still may take it again when I get back to college. That or collegen which think did the trick with my noogling. 

I think when I did take MSM while noogling I swelled better but I was working at the time and never had the chance to noogle as much. But when taking collegen while noogling and coconut oil when I first started, I got to my C cup in about 9 months. That was also when I was eating healthy stuff too. I hit a plateau so I'm hoping this works minus the vitex for now.

I took both daily at their respective times(meaning collegen in freshman college and MSM on my summer bream last year). I used to take biotin and kelp and again at one point bovine ovary...Bo was the worst decision for me. But I think my growth all comes down to my noogling and consistency. Albeit the collegen (and the MSM would've been great if I noogled a lot) really was a great addition.