[tinydear]

Morning, Tiny!

Yes, I can totally understand how frustrating it is to be doing all of this work and not see a bit of success!! But for me, I guess I'd rather just take a break and then keep trying NBE till I'm 50 rather than go under the knife, lol.

No, I apologize for the misunderstanding! Since you're choosing to continue on BC, just be careful to research NBE herbs before you take them to see if they cause interactions with the birth control. Just the pill alone has its own inherent risks, so mixing hormone-altering herbs in too can potentially be a problem. I wasn't suggesting that you get your tubes tied. Your body has been through quite a bit already with the pregnancies, miscarriage, and TMJ, so it would be good to give it lots of TLC for a while.   You're noogling though, right? Maybe just noogling alone would be enough for you to reach your goal!  Lots of women who had larger breasts during pregnancy seem to do really well with just noogling since their tissue has already been "stretched" before.

Yes, try taking the ginger extract, b complex, and using the essential oils. I'll keep my eye out for anything else that sounds good for TMJ too!

Haha yes, me too! I figure even if progress is slow, someday I'll get there! :p

I figured you didn't mean get my tubes tied, it's just where my brain immediately jumped to lol. Silly me. Yeah, I'll definitely try to be more cautious with that. It's funny how when they put you on BC they never let you know that there's stuff out there that could mess with it. My PCPs never have anyway. *insert eyeroll*

I do use the Kangzhu pump, but I won't lie, I kinda hate pumping lol. It is VERY time consuming and it's actually interfered with my workout time (losing weight and gaining muscle). I still have issues with finding the right suction, as my breasts easily turn purple-y. And it's gonna get to a point where I won't feel comfortable doing it in front of my kids so idk when i'll have time. I've only been pumping since July 10th though! So we'll see.

& yes, my breasts got HUGE with pregnancy and breastfeeding. I must have been an E at some points. Wish that growth would have just stayed. I do worry that if I see growth from NBE I'll destroy it if I get pregnant again. Besides, pregnancy did destroy my boobs to begin with!

Yeah, I hope I'll get there before 50, lol.

In my experience, doctors usually don't tell you enough.. about what they're prescribing for you OR what could react with it! Probably the reason they aren't saying anything about herbs or natural alternatives is because they aren't trained in them, unless it's a doctor who tries to incorporate alternative treatments into their practice. I'm from an area where doctors tell people that herbal or holistic medicine is a bunch of hokey.   Therefore, I avoid doctors, lol.

Pumps can be difficult and inconvenient to deal with, I have to admit. But really, you should be wildly optimistic about its potential for you because you grew so much while you were pregnant!! You should do really well with pumping in the long run!  If they were that big then, they can be big again.  I on the other hand, have been flat as a wall my entire life.. so it's going to take a lot more faith for me to get anywhere, lol.

In case you didn't know about them, I've heard of ladies getting good results with a non-hormone based cream like this one:https://www.amazon.com/IsoSensuals-ENHANCE-Breast-Enlargement-Cream/dp/B00K4OPD6I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502286061&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=isosensuals%2Benhance&th=1.   It's not cheap of course, but it has an ingredient called Voluplus (or Volufiline)  that's supposed to "refill" empty fat cells and create new ones which seems to work well for post pregnancy/breastfeeding boobs.  This particular brand looks good because it doesn't have parabens or lots of other questionable (evil?) ingredients added. I think they also offer a money back guarantee which is nice.  
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Here's to hoping we both get there berore we're 50! :p

You're so right about that. Even asking my OBGYN about taking biotin supplements and melatonin she looked at me like I was nuts (& she's even quite "natural" with things herself). Gosh lol. I generally avoid doctors also. I only go when pregnant or if I get a UTI (had one once that I tried taking care of at home and almost killed myself with a kidney infection!).

Yeah you're right - I've gotta put my frustrations aside and just be optimistic. I've only been doing it a month, and even took a week off because my husband was on vacation (he knows I use it, I still prefer my privacy with it though and I avoid the subject lol). So I'll keep trying it out. Have you seen results from pumping? I'm always very small when not pregnant/breastfeeding.

I saw that cream in my many Amazon adventures!! I think when I can afford it I should get it. Decent reviews, looks promising. Thank you for reminding me of it!3

Isosensuals didnt work for me or a few others on here. I noticed their testimonials never changed over 3 years BUT the science behind it is good and Lotus in fact made up a recipe for an effective alternative which doesnt cost heaps. I only  mention it because i spent big bucks on Isosenusals and it was a waste of money. If we could track down Lotus's recipe though it holds great promise so good idea ladies 

Oh okay! That's good to know! I'm gonna go see if I can find their post on that!