14-06-2017, 06:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 14-06-2017, 04:01 PM by surferjoe2007.)
You can bet that if flax worked half as well as tamoxifen then bodybuilders (especially steroid abusers, but any of them really), would be all over it. But there is no natural or legal anti-estrogen that works as well as the drugs. Besides the anti-estrogen effect it also exhibits a mild estrogen effect. So does tamoxifen but it's really weak for tamoxifen. This is because flax phytoestrogens occupy and mildly activate estrogen receptors while also blocking them against other estrogens. Flax is also anti-cancer in several ways besides the anti-estrogen effects.
Some bodybuilders do use flax for nutrient reasons and if it gave them moobs it must not have been noticeable enough to complain. But they also have plenty of testosterone to counter a minor estrogen effect. They have much more estrogen from other sources to worry about. And flax might possibly combat excess estrogen.
Regardless if you search the forums many women have grown boobs from ground flaxseed, even ground flaxseed by itself. Though now I wonder if it's from estrogen, prolactin (flax increases prolactin a little too), anti-testosterone (ditto), essential fatty acids, vitamins or from a combination of things. So whatever the specifics may be it should be nice to use both for NBE and for health. Yes, btw, flax is better than red clover for these reasons.
If anything the potential anti-estrogen effect may mean that it might interfere with stronger phytoestrogens like pueraria mirifica. So PM might not work as well when used with flax. In theory, anyway.
Some bodybuilders do use flax for nutrient reasons and if it gave them moobs it must not have been noticeable enough to complain. But they also have plenty of testosterone to counter a minor estrogen effect. They have much more estrogen from other sources to worry about. And flax might possibly combat excess estrogen.
Regardless if you search the forums many women have grown boobs from ground flaxseed, even ground flaxseed by itself. Though now I wonder if it's from estrogen, prolactin (flax increases prolactin a little too), anti-testosterone (ditto), essential fatty acids, vitamins or from a combination of things. So whatever the specifics may be it should be nice to use both for NBE and for health. Yes, btw, flax is better than red clover for these reasons.
If anything the potential anti-estrogen effect may mean that it might interfere with stronger phytoestrogens like pueraria mirifica. So PM might not work as well when used with flax. In theory, anyway.