[EllaC]

Germany was mentioned here so there is one thing which came to my head: find me clean blood germans on street and I will give you a cookie. We are in Germany and we can see their shape, but it's where they were born not genetics. After WW most of young generation is complete mix of german parent + any other European one. Mostly polish and other eastern countries. So thing is with so mixed genes we can't state in 100% german genes made them grow big due it's one of most mixed countries on the World.

For herbs being bad in every form...well You personally have encountered problems as far as i understood because of taking estrogenic herbs while having estrogen dominant problems yet before taking them? Sorry if I understood something wrong then kindly clear me. 

Anyway, herbs are like medicines if I take asthma meds without asthma then get lung problems is it mine fault or that all asthma meds are bad? If i take blood thinners like people with heart problems not having this problem is it this medicine fault or mine? That's why people here say to do hormonal tests before, yet look how little percentile of people actually done them. It is our risk what we do on own hand without tests. Every good medicine which saves life of thousands will screw health of one. You can die from strawberry if you have allergy nobody can predict every side effect from even so basic things. If you have problems with gluten what is personal intolerance does it mean milions of people without celiaklia should stop eating noodles and bread even if it keeps them alive in their diet? I react badly to hydrocortisone its anti allergy drug after getting it in my blood i was closer to death, it helps milions but im special it doesnt mean drug is bad and unsafe if 1 person in milion get adverse effects with right dosage. What happens to people which take crazy doses doesn't interest me try to overdose any other than herbs drug and send me postcard after stomach cleansing in hospital trying to convince doctor it was bad drug not bad usage.

What gets me the most is that MOST of us are here cause we are underdeveloped in some way. Why on gods green earth can't our doctors subsidise the right and most effective hormone blood tests ie Dutch hormone test is the biggest crime. If we could afford the $500 plus to get these tests done then the guesswork is a non issue, we would know hands down which horMone/s we are lacking and work to rectify our uniquely personal reason for being here.

Instead the internet spouts we all need estrogen to grow . Hence my point of this post. 
Most of the BC rates are because of estrogen dominant cancers... not progesterone types....
Iv seen many women die due to estrogen related cancers... and younger than me. All I can say is I tried!