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If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone?

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(31-03-2017, 07:13 PM)bettie32 Wrote:  I was thinking of taking something like aguaje soon (full of phytoestrogens) and I thought I had finally gotten my ideas straight but now I just realized......estrogen works together with progesterone. They go hand in hand and they should be relatively balanced.

Well, if I start taking something that will increase my estrogen levels, won't I need something to increase progesterone??
Many of you ladies have confirmed that progesterone is actually key to breast growth (as well as estrogen of course). 

Do you really need to take something to increase progesterone while increasing estrogen? What will happen if one only takes estrogen? Would one become estrogen dominant? Any ladies out there only taking a phytoestrogen??

I wanted to avoid taking many herbs but now I'm wondering what would be the safest option. I heard vitex could increase progesterone but apparently it's not so effective for increasing breast size. Any thoughts? Hannah and Pink Chiffon??

I dont really know how you feel now so advising you might not be right. But for myself I always was pretty balanced...I had a cycle that was 28 days long, just like a clockwork. No painful menstruations and no skin problems only at during my menstruation a little breakout on my shoulders. My figure was thin but in proportions. For me gaining weight was a good add to my NBE program.
So far that was me.
After taking fennel teas and playing around with some other phyto-estrogenic herbs I had no growth BUT i did had a shorter cycle and heavier bleedings. Breasts did absolutely NOTHING!

Therefore jumping into a right program with a healthy body like I had was important for me.....I am not saying that estrogen and progesteron will help you grow but I do advice to follow the rules of cycling. 
Take your phytoestrogens from cycle day 1 until your ovulation. then slowly build up your progesterone with progesterone cream(find a good one USP progesterone, which is available for your body immediatly) and use just a tiny dab. I use a fraction of the advised dose and its noticable enough for me!
I say wrists is the best place then rotate with other places I always do wrists couple of days then neck couple of days.

With aguaje Id say the same dont take too much it WILL throw you of. I do advise a aromatase herb or an antiandrogen herb because Estrogen and Progesteron can be converted to T....you never know when or if this will happen but once it happens your to late and your breasts will deflate back to level 1 lol......its al testing and timing and feeling.

I would advise to start up one round with phyto's first to build a plateau of estrogens then chances you react to the program I think increases. One month later add the pc but really if you are like me(probably low in estrogen) NOT too much!!
The pc is mainly to keep your receptors responding to the Estrogens.
If you take only E yoiur receptors will be full of it....its like a key thats in a lock....there cant be more keys in one lock..and the door will stay locked/youll be stalled and might only deflate.

Also estrogen i thought lowers prolactin...and prolacttin is important too(you can stimulate prolactin release with nipple stimulation and carbs(wheat) I found out recently) So therefore I do so much try to tell people keep your dose low....lower then 100mgs or whatever or just take a tiny bit spread out over the day....giving yourself too much routine is also not good...sometimes we need a LITTLE swift in our hormone levels to stimulate that growth...but just a little so its not harmful...

Oh and too much Progesterone will lengthen your luteal phase... Too much estrogen causes heavy and shorter cycles possibly without ovulation.

Hope this complicated story is a little bit more clear now..
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Messages In This Thread
If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 31-03-2017, 07:13 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 01-04-2017, 05:17 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 01-04-2017, 07:52 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 01-04-2017, 08:22 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 02-04-2017, 04:25 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by hannah - 01-04-2017, 03:37 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 01-04-2017, 08:16 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 01-04-2017, 08:35 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 03-04-2017, 04:38 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 03-04-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 03-04-2017, 06:02 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 03-04-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by hannah - 03-04-2017, 05:29 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 04-04-2017, 11:20 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by Lotus - 05-04-2017, 11:53 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 06-04-2017, 11:37 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 03-04-2017, 09:14 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by bettie32 - 04-04-2017, 11:12 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 04-04-2017, 08:47 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by Pink.Chiffon - 05-04-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 05-04-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by Pink.Chiffon - 06-04-2017, 12:06 AM
RE: If I take a phytoestrogen, do I really need something to increase progesterone? - by EllaC - 06-04-2017, 12:21 AM



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