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My teori about growing pain
June 25 2006 at 11:09 PM Pansyclub (Login pansyclub)
Hi, My teori about growing pains is:
those who feel it grow mostly breast tissues,
And those who don't grow mostly fat...
what do you all think?
I'm in my month 2 of NBE, no pain at all, but I have almost grown halv cup size. I think it's all fat, cause the lumps in my breasts are not bigger ...
PinkJewel
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I think that makes sense...
June 26 2006, 2:47 AM
although I can't say for sure if it's true or not. That seems logical to me that growing new tissues can cause pain, a bit like children who sometimes get pains when they grow. Stocking fat doesn't hurt... That's a fact. Well, what's best? Growing new tissues or stocking fat? Wouldn't a bit of both be the best? Maybe the herbs used can have an effect on that, what do you think about it? I got a lot of pains during the first month, but I didn't really noticed if the lumps in my breast got bigger or not. I did get bigger, (in 3 months) but not that much. Maybe it's because I didn't stock much fat in my breasts. I haven't gained weight neither, so maybe that's why. Have you gained any weight during you program or not?
-> May your boobies keep the pace! <-
SugarQ
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 3:05 AM
you could be right actually. the pains women feel is not from fat being deposited. think about it. if there was alot of pains from depositing fat then it would be conconfortable for people to put on weight. the pain women feel is actually from the glands and tissue enlargeing. there is also pain from swelling. swelling happens quickly so it produces tension on the skin and tissue so the skin has to strech to accomidate the tension. now with gaining weight, people gain weight at a slow enough rate that the skin grows (instead of stretch).
pain is important with NBE because it lets us know that the sight we want to cause a change to is actually being effected. it also assures us that we are not just going to gain weight.if you have no pains but you find you are growing then it could be that you are growing slow enough that it could easily be general weight gain all over but thats if you are gaining less then 1/2 cup a year. you have to monitor your weight and take body measurements to make sure you are the same porportions and truely only gaining in the bust. if you are growing all over then you really cant call your progress true NBE.
so pain is good. it shoud come and go over time which is good. if you get pains in the begining of your routine and nothing ever again then you should worry. if you ar growing without any pains in the breast then check to make sure your body porportions and weight stays the same.
fengshui
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hmmmmmmm
June 26 2006, 8:19 AM
i didn't have any pain while growing, either. i wonder if it has anything to do w/ herbs for mimic puberty? cuz i didn't read anybody talking about pain on TW forums using food and massage method. maybe some soreness due to firm massage (pain in arms for sure.LOL)
i did gain 3 lb on boobie project (starting loose B to full C) about in 6 months. but my boobies r bigger then when i was 137 lb (34 lose C then) 4 years ago. i have kept 115 lb and the same size for a long time, but i did gain 7 lbs. recently, i am hoping it's just water weight. but my boob didn't get any bigger. i have been trying to lose weight, lost 2.5 lb. so far, and i managed to keep the same measurement on my boobs. i don't know if i'd get to keep it all since i have 4 more lbs to lose.
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 8:27 AM
here here pansyclub
your hypothesis sounds interesting....
Pansyclub
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 12:40 PM
I have not gained weight, so my breasts are really growing. My program is chinese massage plus F2F (fenugreek, red clover, saw palmetto). I don't want just gain fat in my breast, cause I'm planning loosing some weight after my NBE, then I will loose my progress!! What should I do to gain some breast tissue?
I got my period today, no warning, no pain, no psm, no nothing! I was very surprised, got my white pants on and everything!! lol... this has never happened before! is this a good sign?
SugarQ
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 2:37 PM
patsyclub, i hate to tell you this but fat is what gives breasts its size. women generally have the same amount of breast tissue regardless of size. the only time you can actually grow more tissue is if you originally are lacking of it and even then its difficult. the best way to control weight and breast size to diet before you start NBE and do maintainance work out and very mild dieting. exercise will affect how much fat your deposite in the breast but if you are careful enough you can actually loose weight and keep growing at the same time. so i wouldnt count on growing more tissue unless you are taking about gland enlargement and shrinkage which will happen when you have very elevated levels of estrogen and progesterone. this is temperary and your body will fight against this so within a year you will loose the breat growth do to gland enlargement. another worry is that glands have to displase fat in the breast go have enough room to enlarge. this happens to women who breast feed sometimes. they get larger breast cause of the super enlarged breast glands and milk they must carry and at the same time fat is being used up and pushed out of the breast. once th glands shrink back some women can end of at a smaller cupsize then when they started. so becarful that you know what you are asking for. when it comes to NBE the goal is fat and only fat in the breast. thats what actually makes breast sizes different and its what makes breast size perminant.
Moon
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 9:53 PM
From what knowledge on hystology I have from uni, I'd say it's deffinitely possible. I am not sure though if it's not possible also that some women are more prone to feel pain of growing while others less. Another fact that I think speaks in favour of your hypothesis is that women differ considerably on which is the main area of fat deposition for them. I think that those for which it's the stomach deposit the least fat in the breasts, but that's more of my observation.
Moon
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 9:55 PM
Oh, and I'd also add that I've been off herbs for two days for a short break, but I still have the pains.
pansyclub
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 2:30 PM
SugarQ: u mean women who have b-cup and women who have d-cup basicly have same amount of breast tissue?
SugarQ
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 4:57 PM
exactly the same amount of breast tissue. the only difference between both women is the amount of fat that is stored. a bcup can produced just as much breast milk as a dcup. the size of your original cupsize plays no part in how much milk you can produced.
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 7:41 PM
so basically we are trying to direct fat into the breasts...SugarQ I think you mentioned stimulating prolactin was the only way.
the only way from having our bodies store fat all over the place...and that the galactogogues fenugreek/fennel stimulates prolactin and
progesterone wakes up the estrogen receptors, finally estrogen will direct the storage of fat in the breasts...
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 8:27 PM
You know what? as I wrote that last post I thought to delve into some biochemistry sites to learn more about what exactly will direct fat storage into the breasts. Being a chemistry masters student and all I should put my education to work. I ran across this information I am going to try and cross reference it to check its validity
12. What do endocrine glands produce?
1. Hormones
13. What are the reproductive actions of estrogen?
1. Proliferation of the endometrium during the follicular phase of the monthly cycle
2. Build up of mammary tissue in the breast during the luteal phase and during pregnancy
3. Addition of muscle cells to the uterus during pregnancy
14. What are the non-reproductive system actions of estrogen?
1. Decreases fat storage
2. Increases general activity level
3. Decreases food intake
4. Softens skin and maintains skin resilience
5. Increases bone development and retains calcium in bones
6. Maintains stability of blood pressure
15. What are the target tissues of estrogen and progesterone?
1. Every cell of the body
16. What are the reproductive actions of progesterone?
1. Increases fats and glycogens in endometrial cells
2. Increase mammary gland development
3. Inhibits coordinated contractions of the uterus
17. What are the non-reproductive actions of progesterone?
1. reverses estrogens suppression of fat storage
2. Increases food intake and appetite
3. Decreases coordinated contractions of smooth muscle throughout the body
4. Maintains stability of blood pressure
5. Increases sleepiness
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Ehk...=firefox-a
How thoroughly confusing. BASICALLY PROGESTERONE DIRECTS FAT STORAGE AND ESTROGEN INHIBITS IT?... I feel I need to do a full scale research on this topic, SugarQ we should join forces and write a book, lol. I am so close to choosing endocrine pathways as a phd study just so I can crack this NBE THING.
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 8:43 PM
108. What are Tannerâs five stages of pubertal development?
1. Start of the adolescent growth spurt
2. Thelarche
3. Simultaneous adrenarche and peak of the growth spurt
4. Underarm hair formation
5. Menarche
109. What hormone(s) are involved in the adolescent growth spurt?
1. Estrogen, androgen and growth hormone
110. What is thelarche and what two things occur in this stage?
1. Thelarche= the budding of the breasts
2. Areola increases in size
3. Increased breast fat deposition
111. What hormone(s) are involved in thelarche?
1. Estrogen and prolactin
pansyclub
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 11:21 PM
wsdm: yeah!!! Maybe you can write a dissertation on this subjct, and maybe even find a way to direct all the fat from the stomach and into breasts (or ass if u don't have one, like me)... U will become billionaire!!!
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 29 2006, 9:42 PM
lol @ pansyclub
I wish .... speaking of wishing bumping for SugarQ...trying to figure out how to cause the body to direct fat to the breasts...would like to get some hints from you
June 25 2006 at 11:09 PM Pansyclub (Login pansyclub)
Hi, My teori about growing pains is:
those who feel it grow mostly breast tissues,
And those who don't grow mostly fat...
what do you all think?
I'm in my month 2 of NBE, no pain at all, but I have almost grown halv cup size. I think it's all fat, cause the lumps in my breasts are not bigger ...
PinkJewel
(Login PinkJewel)
I think that makes sense...
June 26 2006, 2:47 AM
although I can't say for sure if it's true or not. That seems logical to me that growing new tissues can cause pain, a bit like children who sometimes get pains when they grow. Stocking fat doesn't hurt... That's a fact. Well, what's best? Growing new tissues or stocking fat? Wouldn't a bit of both be the best? Maybe the herbs used can have an effect on that, what do you think about it? I got a lot of pains during the first month, but I didn't really noticed if the lumps in my breast got bigger or not. I did get bigger, (in 3 months) but not that much. Maybe it's because I didn't stock much fat in my breasts. I haven't gained weight neither, so maybe that's why. Have you gained any weight during you program or not?
-> May your boobies keep the pace! <-
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 3:05 AM
you could be right actually. the pains women feel is not from fat being deposited. think about it. if there was alot of pains from depositing fat then it would be conconfortable for people to put on weight. the pain women feel is actually from the glands and tissue enlargeing. there is also pain from swelling. swelling happens quickly so it produces tension on the skin and tissue so the skin has to strech to accomidate the tension. now with gaining weight, people gain weight at a slow enough rate that the skin grows (instead of stretch).
pain is important with NBE because it lets us know that the sight we want to cause a change to is actually being effected. it also assures us that we are not just going to gain weight.if you have no pains but you find you are growing then it could be that you are growing slow enough that it could easily be general weight gain all over but thats if you are gaining less then 1/2 cup a year. you have to monitor your weight and take body measurements to make sure you are the same porportions and truely only gaining in the bust. if you are growing all over then you really cant call your progress true NBE.
so pain is good. it shoud come and go over time which is good. if you get pains in the begining of your routine and nothing ever again then you should worry. if you ar growing without any pains in the breast then check to make sure your body porportions and weight stays the same.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
hmmmmmmm
June 26 2006, 8:19 AM
i didn't have any pain while growing, either. i wonder if it has anything to do w/ herbs for mimic puberty? cuz i didn't read anybody talking about pain on TW forums using food and massage method. maybe some soreness due to firm massage (pain in arms for sure.LOL)
i did gain 3 lb on boobie project (starting loose B to full C) about in 6 months. but my boobies r bigger then when i was 137 lb (34 lose C then) 4 years ago. i have kept 115 lb and the same size for a long time, but i did gain 7 lbs. recently, i am hoping it's just water weight. but my boob didn't get any bigger. i have been trying to lose weight, lost 2.5 lb. so far, and i managed to keep the same measurement on my boobs. i don't know if i'd get to keep it all since i have 4 more lbs to lose.
wsdm
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Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 8:27 AM
here here pansyclub
your hypothesis sounds interesting....
Pansyclub
(Login pansyclub)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 12:40 PM
I have not gained weight, so my breasts are really growing. My program is chinese massage plus F2F (fenugreek, red clover, saw palmetto). I don't want just gain fat in my breast, cause I'm planning loosing some weight after my NBE, then I will loose my progress!! What should I do to gain some breast tissue?
I got my period today, no warning, no pain, no psm, no nothing! I was very surprised, got my white pants on and everything!! lol... this has never happened before! is this a good sign?
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 2:37 PM
patsyclub, i hate to tell you this but fat is what gives breasts its size. women generally have the same amount of breast tissue regardless of size. the only time you can actually grow more tissue is if you originally are lacking of it and even then its difficult. the best way to control weight and breast size to diet before you start NBE and do maintainance work out and very mild dieting. exercise will affect how much fat your deposite in the breast but if you are careful enough you can actually loose weight and keep growing at the same time. so i wouldnt count on growing more tissue unless you are taking about gland enlargement and shrinkage which will happen when you have very elevated levels of estrogen and progesterone. this is temperary and your body will fight against this so within a year you will loose the breat growth do to gland enlargement. another worry is that glands have to displase fat in the breast go have enough room to enlarge. this happens to women who breast feed sometimes. they get larger breast cause of the super enlarged breast glands and milk they must carry and at the same time fat is being used up and pushed out of the breast. once th glands shrink back some women can end of at a smaller cupsize then when they started. so becarful that you know what you are asking for. when it comes to NBE the goal is fat and only fat in the breast. thats what actually makes breast sizes different and its what makes breast size perminant.
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 9:53 PM
From what knowledge on hystology I have from uni, I'd say it's deffinitely possible. I am not sure though if it's not possible also that some women are more prone to feel pain of growing while others less. Another fact that I think speaks in favour of your hypothesis is that women differ considerably on which is the main area of fat deposition for them. I think that those for which it's the stomach deposit the least fat in the breasts, but that's more of my observation.
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 26 2006, 9:55 PM
Oh, and I'd also add that I've been off herbs for two days for a short break, but I still have the pains.
pansyclub
(Login pansyclub)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 2:30 PM
SugarQ: u mean women who have b-cup and women who have d-cup basicly have same amount of breast tissue?
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 4:57 PM
exactly the same amount of breast tissue. the only difference between both women is the amount of fat that is stored. a bcup can produced just as much breast milk as a dcup. the size of your original cupsize plays no part in how much milk you can produced.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 7:41 PM
so basically we are trying to direct fat into the breasts...SugarQ I think you mentioned stimulating prolactin was the only way.
the only way from having our bodies store fat all over the place...and that the galactogogues fenugreek/fennel stimulates prolactin and
progesterone wakes up the estrogen receptors, finally estrogen will direct the storage of fat in the breasts...
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 8:27 PM
You know what? as I wrote that last post I thought to delve into some biochemistry sites to learn more about what exactly will direct fat storage into the breasts. Being a chemistry masters student and all I should put my education to work. I ran across this information I am going to try and cross reference it to check its validity
12. What do endocrine glands produce?
1. Hormones
13. What are the reproductive actions of estrogen?
1. Proliferation of the endometrium during the follicular phase of the monthly cycle
2. Build up of mammary tissue in the breast during the luteal phase and during pregnancy
3. Addition of muscle cells to the uterus during pregnancy
14. What are the non-reproductive system actions of estrogen?
1. Decreases fat storage
2. Increases general activity level
3. Decreases food intake
4. Softens skin and maintains skin resilience
5. Increases bone development and retains calcium in bones
6. Maintains stability of blood pressure
15. What are the target tissues of estrogen and progesterone?
1. Every cell of the body
16. What are the reproductive actions of progesterone?
1. Increases fats and glycogens in endometrial cells
2. Increase mammary gland development
3. Inhibits coordinated contractions of the uterus
17. What are the non-reproductive actions of progesterone?
1. reverses estrogens suppression of fat storage
2. Increases food intake and appetite
3. Decreases coordinated contractions of smooth muscle throughout the body
4. Maintains stability of blood pressure
5. Increases sleepiness
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Ehk...=firefox-a
How thoroughly confusing. BASICALLY PROGESTERONE DIRECTS FAT STORAGE AND ESTROGEN INHIBITS IT?... I feel I need to do a full scale research on this topic, SugarQ we should join forces and write a book, lol. I am so close to choosing endocrine pathways as a phd study just so I can crack this NBE THING.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 8:43 PM
108. What are Tannerâs five stages of pubertal development?
1. Start of the adolescent growth spurt
2. Thelarche
3. Simultaneous adrenarche and peak of the growth spurt
4. Underarm hair formation
5. Menarche
109. What hormone(s) are involved in the adolescent growth spurt?
1. Estrogen, androgen and growth hormone
110. What is thelarche and what two things occur in this stage?
1. Thelarche= the budding of the breasts
2. Areola increases in size
3. Increased breast fat deposition
111. What hormone(s) are involved in thelarche?
1. Estrogen and prolactin
pansyclub
(Login pansyclub)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 27 2006, 11:21 PM
wsdm: yeah!!! Maybe you can write a dissertation on this subjct, and maybe even find a way to direct all the fat from the stomach and into breasts (or ass if u don't have one, like me)... U will become billionaire!!!
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: My teori about growing pain
June 29 2006, 9:42 PM
lol @ pansyclub
I wish .... speaking of wishing bumping for SugarQ...trying to figure out how to cause the body to direct fat to the breasts...would like to get some hints from you