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Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007 at 10:28 AM
sandy (Login sandy111)
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Hello everyone.I know a lot of you can dowse here,but could anyone ofer me help?unfortunatley i am not a dowser but would really love to have answers to my maaaany questions.So if anyone could offer me help.here they are:
I will be on phytoestogen herbs, so how many mg should i take for growth.
How much growth can i expect during my routine?
How long should i keep taking herbs for maximum growth?
Will i keep my growth after i'm done?
how much saw palmetto and L-arginine should i add?
Thanks for all responses i appreciate the effort
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 11:07 AM
Personally I think dowsing is most likly a load of crap. There is way too little evidence and even reasonable explanations on how it could work. And there is way too much possibilities of how it could be made to apper it works but actually doesn't - autosuggestion. I think relying on dowsing, this sort of mystical magical miraculous method to grow breasts is taking NBE way to lightly.
Sane Sheep
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 4:15 PM
Isn't it better to use ones brain instead of relying on a pendulum?
dunny
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September 15 2007, 7:43 PM
Some women truly believe in dowsing, based on their experience.
sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 9:09 PM
Oh,i never knew dowsing was only done with a pendelum.I just wondered how many girls seemed to know their dosages using a method refered to as dowsing.Never thought it relied only on that.Thanks anyway girls
Lisa
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September 15 2007, 9:46 PM
I wouldn't trash dowsing, I think it has something to do with what you intuitively know and transfer to the pendulum, if anything. I myself just go from what I feel is right for my body at the moment, and of course use references such as what the usual dosages are or what it says on the bottles.
Don't feel silly, it was just a question, and there are people who rely and have relied on it quite heavily.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 10:46 PM
No, of course asking a question isn't silly, don't worry Sandy. As for dowsing being intuition, I think intuition is more like being very in tune withyour body and particulary knowing how to read the slightest signs. That I do believe in and rely on it myself too. The dowsing thing I think is false, cause how can you do it for somone else? Then theoretically if two people did it for another person, both should get the same aswers. Does that happen? I don't think so. Dowsing is making sth up and believing that a higher power told you, and then maybe getting a placebo effect.
Dee
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September 16 2007, 1:52 AM
I have dowsed for myself, and asked some people to doublecheck for me, and we have come up with the same answers pretty consistently, though there was no way of knowing. I also asked a question about my sick pet on a dowsing board once, they were all total strangers, but they were pretty accurate. However, dowsing can be a difficult skill, especially if you're emotionally invested in the topic.
Moon
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September 16 2007, 11:59 AM
Um, but how can you know for sure that everyone came up with the same answer? They could have seen the answer of the first person and then said they got the same result, or subconsciously influence it to get the same result.
Dee
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September 16 2007, 3:21 PM
That's a good point, but I've had several occasions where different people were the first responders to my dowsing request, and they were accurate, but they didn't have anyone else's answers to read. I;ve also had people email or pm me, and on different forums, not just BE forums. I'm not trying to convert or convince anybody, just saying whats worked for me so far. Being very scientifically-minded, I can understand and appreciate skepticism that some people have expressed.
Moon
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September 16 2007, 7:02 PM
Fair enoguh, nor am I trying to avert anyone from doing what they want.
I did give dowsing a chance tho, when I first heard about it, and it didn't tell me a damn thing lol!
Just out of curiousity, so if you ask the pendulum 'Is my name *insert your name*?, does it really always answer yes?
Jess
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September 16 2007, 9:06 PM
Hi Sandy
Please don't feel funny for asking. There are many dowsers who do influence real health/life changes.
I dowse myself, but I am far from being an expert.
Here is what I dowsed about you:
- Take 2100 mg BO / day
- You can expect 2+ cups of growth
- Take BO for about 9 months
- Results will be permanent
You should probably ask Wen from beboards.proboards107.com to check these answers for you. I'm kind of in a rush right now because my kids are all over the place!
But if you really want to dowse for BE purposes there's no need to feel silly. You should however give it a shot so you can fine tune your routine.
Best of luck!
Lost Sheep
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September 16 2007, 9:48 PM
Yes, it does. I can also ask questions like "am i allergic to this food, do i have a brother," etc., and it worked. I showed my very Catholic friend and it creeped him out. He said he needed to call his grandmother and do some Hail Marys or something lol. Which is another reason that I understand it's not for everybody. But Moon, thanks for respecting my position about this
Moon
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September 17 2007, 8:11 AM
Wow, that sounds impressive. Now I'm undecided again, lol I'm so tempted to blieve it does work! Oh well it would be nice if it did.
sandy
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Oh Thanks A lot Jess
September 17 2007, 10:15 AM
That was very Kind of You.Thanks a lot I appreciate giving me from you time.I did ask Wen but there is something always going wrong,she is not getting permission to dowse for me.A shame i know.Maybe she would be able to do that soon.Thanks
Wenonae
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:-) I'm a dowser
September 17 2007, 7:27 PM
Nice discussion.
Will just a small comment. Everyone can't dowse. I've become experienced enough to know a LOT about dowsing as a whole; even why it came to be considered evil, etc.
The bottom line is that for those who can do it full out(about 75% of people)..it's still a skill (like learning to walk, etc.). The rest of the populace has limited or no capability. I've got a lot of things laid out as I've gone along this whole dowsing journey.
Since it's a skill- it's important to pick a good tool to learn with, be in a good position so you don't disrupt the energy you're trying to read, and that you're in a good location. Even the Earth has it's own energy..and can throw off beginners. Do note: the tool doesn't even have to be a pendulum- in fact, I just use my body.
Anyhow..I stopped in on the request of Sandy to checkout what Jess came up with. I have no permissions to directly help Sandy, but I can check what Jess did. :-) Jess's answers are 92% accurate. She'll need to check about the SP and l-arginine when she can. That will finish rounding out the routine.
Sandy- I'd go with the dose that Jess came up with. The 2 cups is a lot actually. Most folks can generally safely increase 1-3 cups. If you're AA or AAA..you may be able to safely increase as much as 4-5cups.
Wen'
Sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 17 2007, 7:57 PM
Thanks Wen
So i'll even grow less than 2 cups?That is a shame
I am a size 36 B but look really small.I was hoping for 4 cups increase to get the boobs i want.Anyway thanks a lot
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 17 2007, 10:20 PM
You probably look small because you are missing 'tops'. With those filled in..even small breasts look 'big'. Perhaps Jess can check also if you fill those in more using BO. If she can't- focus on doing massage on the upper part of your breasts.
Wen'
Sandy
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Good Point!
September 17 2007, 11:06 PM
Wen,
Ahaaa.This might be it.You are totally right.I am like a "L" shape.No tops at all.Thanks for pointing that issue Wen.
Jess,
please If you find yourself having some time,Could you please check those things for me?
Jess
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More to add to your routine
September 18 2007, 1:44 AM
Hi Sandy
I dowsed again and here's what I got:
Saw Palmetto: 645 mg every day
L' Arginine: 1 500 mg capsule every other day
I also asked about massaging and I dowsed that you should be massaging for a total of about 15 minutes each day. Dry massages are fine.
I hope Wen can check my answers. I haven't dowsed for anyone in a looong time so I'm curious to see how I "perform".
The routine I dowsed for you is kind of similar to mine. Hopefully we'll both see great results. I've been on my BO routine for about 2 weeks and I'm feeling fullness and slight tenderness today.
Jess
Buffeee
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 11:29 AM
How come people never dowse that it's not going to work for them? The routines dowswers dowse up for themselves and each other fail the VAST majority of the time. Shouldn't they have known that in the first place? lol. I thing dowsing is a huge waste of time for all but the most in-tune with their bodies. In my opinion, if you are asking someone else to dowse for you or check for you, it isn't going to work. That's not because it's magic, but rather because you don't understand NBE methods or your body's response to them. I'm not trying to piss people off or discourage them, but rather to make a point.
sandy
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Thanks Jess
September 18 2007, 12:03 PM
Thanks for dowsing for me
I will start this routine soon and see how things go.But saw palemtto only that much?I'll try it and seeMy Goal is 100 cm across i am now 88cm ,and i will do what ever it takes to reach there.Even thought the dowsing results say I won't i will try my best
Thanks for everything and i wish you the best of boobie growth.Jess what brand of Bo are you on now?
Jess
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September 18 2007, 7:11 PM
Hi Sandy
I'm on Vitamin Power BO (3 tablets in the morning) and DNE Porcine Ovary (1 at night). I've dowsed that I'm supposed to ramp up slowly.
About the Saw Palmetto, that dosage might change because I notice that my dowsed dosages always tend to ramp up/down during different stages of my cycle. I take less Saw Palmetto during my luteal stage than follicle.
I read that someone on the BE board dowsed to fine-tune her routine as much as 3x a day.
Note: After I posted I noticed that it might look like I posted 1500 mg of L Arginine, so I just wanted to clarify that it's 1 capsule of L'Arginine (500 mg) every other day.
Good luck Sandy!
xxsmall
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September 18 2007, 9:30 PM
Jess,
Would it be too much to ask to give me a direction? I've been searching and reading a lot on this Forum but basicaly I still have no clue what combination of herbs or pills I should take. It seems like people kind of pick something randomly and see and wait. So I would be sooo delighted if I could get some direction.
many thanks ahead,
xxsmall
sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 10:16 PM
Thanks Jess for the effort and i wish you the best of luck too.
When i get my VP i will start at 1800mg and ramp up if i don't feel anything I am on DNE now 1500mg and i am sometimes feeling a funny sensation im my breasts,like tiny butterflies and sometimes pain under my armpit.I guess this is a good sign.I hope.I never felt those things on 2000mg.I don't know.I let my body tell me what to do.I am on 1500 mg saw palmetto too.Started at 500mg and ramped up after asking Fawn.I have a lot of Thin hair on my arms and face(thank God blond) that is why i think i need larger doses Of SP Thanks for everything Jess.Keep me posted on how you are doing with BO.Guess we can do that on the BO page Good luck
Lisa121
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Hello Jess
September 18 2007, 10:45 PM
Jess, if you have the time would you mind dowsing for me on how much vitex I should take? I am on 800mg a day just now, on the bottle it says I can take up to double. Also, should I add Fenugreek and/or Milk Thistle? I am taking this to help balance my hormones, too much androgens, and of course wouldn't mind if my boobs got bigger with this too but my main concern just now is to get rid of those horrible androgenic symptoms like acne, mood swings etc.
I have seen it work with my own eyes before and I would just love the extra input. I would do it myself too but I just don't feel like I have the patience just now to try and learn it, also it does creep me out a bit when I see the pendulum swing the right directions.
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks,
Lisa
Wenonae
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Dowsing help/ Response to Buffee
September 19 2007, 6:34 PM
I'm going to try to hit 2 birds with one stone here.
TO Buffee:
"How come people never dowse that it's not going to work for them? The routines dowswers dowse up for themselves and each other fail the VAST majority of the time. Shouldn't they have known that in the first place? lol. I thing dowsing is a huge waste of time for all but the most in-tune with their bodies. In my opinion, if you are asking someone else to dowse for you or check for you, it isn't going to work. That's not because it's magic, but rather because you don't understand NBE methods or your body's response to them. I'm not trying to piss people off or discourage them, but rather to make a point."
Well, actually people do dowse BE won't work for them. However, many cases it's because their health is so bad, if they did BE they'd put themselves at more risk. So they get to do cleanses and other such sorts to get their health together. And for those who fail while using dowsing (remember it's a skill), is more a reflection of not being able to figure out blocks and impedances. BE for some people can be rooted in spiritual issues. For some- it's purely physical (hormonal imbalance). For those who purely have a physical imbalance- BE goes along rather reasonably.
Dowsing can provide all the clues- but it's key to know what questions to ask. If you aren't progressing per indications- something is up. Period. That's where these forums are so very helpful 'cause you can get insight on what someone else did to get past that hump or get ideas on another way to fix things so you can move forward.
I would agree that asking someone else for dowsed help- may not be a fix-all, but it could provide someone insight at least to know if they have a better BE chance with BO vs. herbs for example. Or to know if they have spiritual inhibitors or not.
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TO ALL (Dowsing help):
Dowsing accesses an all-knowing level. It can be a bit much for one person to access it on behalf of any and everyone. There's this thing called 'permissions'. It's a questioning sequence that you ask in regards to ANYTHING. We are not entitled to know 'everything' there is to know...so there's info we can and can not get. To stay on the straight and narrow- what one should do is ask 'May I ask about....?, Can I ask about...?, and Should I ask about....?' If you get a yes to all of those questions- you have 'permissions' to ask that question.
Jess has permissions to ask BE questions on behalf of Lisa121, but not xxsmall. But that's only for the time being (prolly some basic questions). Really, I feel people should give it a try on their own...but I also know everyone just doesn't have ability to do this.
Lisa121, you don't have ability to dowse accurately. And you shouldn't try. You're in Group 3. See this thread about groups: http://www.beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=popular&thread=1189535198&page=1
XXSmall, you're actually a Group 1 dowser..so give it a go. There's a thread on BEB for all the basics. Someone can help you to assure that you're using a good tool, have a good position, good location. See this thread
http://www.beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=popular&action=display&thread=1080773913
Wen'
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 7:17 PM
Hi Wenonae, I actually tried dowsing before with guidance of someone who has the ability and it worked alright. I believe I can actually do it but don't feel like I am in the right frame of mind for it at the moment.
How can you be so sure about the groups and most of all, about who is in which group? Not critizising or anything, just wondering.
Snowflake
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I would be intterested and give permission!
September 19 2007, 7:35 PM
I have probably joined this thread too late, but here goes anyway. If someone could dowse me that would be great. I would like to try Botanical Beauty Bo 3 month kit. Would it work for me? Would it make me moody? Would it be safe? Would I need the pituitary glandular or just the BO? How long would I take it and how much growth? Would I put on weight? I am not sure what to ask and am not confident enough to try it myself. Anyone willing to take a stab at it for me? Thanks
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 8:03 PM
Okay, I started out as a real sceptic. I often form strong opinions on things really fast, and then change them just as fast. I do that becaue I have a really strong desire for truth. But lately I've come to realise that truth is not so easily accesible and I simply won't be able to avoid not knowing everything, not being sure. So now I'm kinda opinionless and open. But I so want to know.
Wen, could you tell me what group I am / do I have the ability to dowse?
xxsmall
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 8:53 PM
Wen,
Wow, I think you opened up a whole new world for me! Thank you!
I have only asked my babies gender before ( used a needle to do it and only because it was an old Eastern European wifestale and I wanted to believe it) but I had no clue that I could actually "use it" for more things.
Anyway I have tried and I got the answer that it is not time yet to ask these types of questions. That is a weird answer to me since I have never asked anything before. And also it seems weird that after such a short time I am able to "communicate" with the Spirit. Or am I just imaginig?
bizarrrrr
xxsmall
Alexia
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 9:08 PM
I would also like to know if I could have the ability to dowse, I'm certainly interested!
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 9:36 PM
Hiya Lisa-
Well, you're a tweenie (in between groups, but functionally in Group 3). You have some ability, but it's not generally 'safe' for you to really work on it. You'll start having some paranoia about it..start feeling wigged out then stop. How do I know? I'm an experienced dowser :-D. I've taught a lot of people virtually and in person. I've seen a heck of a lot of the progression of dowsers in the various groups. This is how I started being able to categorize. Initially thought a lot more people were fully accurately capable..then some folks started (for lack of better terms)- flipping. I dug into why.
Snowflake-
See the comment I made before this one. You're in group 2- so you have limited capability (5 days a month you can safely dowse). But, at least you CAN do it. Give it a whirl.
Moon-
You're in group 3- like no dowsing accuracy consistently possible; you're not a tweenie either. On scale of 1 to 100 (where 100 is accuracy of your hunches/gut instincts) your instincts are 83% correct. So really get used to seeing how your body subtly responds to things like if you go to eat food, does your nose scrunch up? If so, prolly isn't good for you. Do you see something and frown w/o thinking? Prolly isn't good for you. Etc.
Alexia-
You're also in Group 2. You're accurately dowsing capable 4 days of month. Don't bother doing it on other days..once you have the technique learned.
Wen'
Snowflake
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Sorry, I am stupid about this, really
September 19 2007, 10:06 PM
What five days of the month, how do I know which days. Years ago when I was expecteing we used to do this with needle over tummy to see if it was girl or boy, right every time.
Sarah L
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 10:10 PM
Wen'
I am fascinated by this subject and have had some success at dowsing myself! How do you know which days are good for you to dowse and which aren't? 4 days a month isnt much and might be easy to miss if you are not trying every day!
Sorry if the answer is obvious, i am a bit tired!!
thanks Sarah
Wenonae
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Knowing which days of Month if you're in Grp 2
September 19 2007, 11:53 PM
Snowflake-
You would either dowse what dates are good, have someone else who has permissions tell you what day is good, or have an indicator for this.
You can either dowse with a pendulum tool...or some can use their body. But you would try to see if you're 'in Tune with Inner Self (gut), High Self (soul), and Holy Spirit'. If you get a yes to all three..then you'd ask, is it possible for me to have 100% accuracy in dowsing? If not, then what days will be good.
If you get a no to the 'In Tune' question...it's DEFINITELY not a good day.
Wen'
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 11:54 PM
..Oh, and I had no permissions to tell you exactly what days would work. Sorries.
Wen'
Snowflake
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 12:10 AM
Wenonea, Thanks! Will consider this seriously.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 8:11 AM
Oh well I guess I'l just have to keep relying on science. And... no, I don't really do any of those two thngs.
Alexia
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 9:49 AM
Thanks Wen!
Wenonae
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If you're group 2, how to know
September 20 2007, 3:33 PM
TO SARAHL-
I believe I answered the question you asked in that next reply.
Really, again the easiest way is just for someone to tell you. Then from there onward, you dowse which days are best. Incidentally, yeppers, you're in Group 2. There are consistently 10 days of the month where you can dowse w/ accuracy. :-D
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TO MOOON:
Think a little more outside the box. What I listed were examples...of how to have an idea when your body is responding. If you've had no experience even close to that...try to pay attention to the small things about how you respond when you really like something..or how you respond when you don't. Then extrapolate that into seeing, how does my body move...or do the hairs on my next stand up, etc.
Wen'
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 5:02 PM
I have known of dowsing for some time and have used a form of it when I wanted to find things. For me it never involved using a tool, just relying on a feeling in my body. I am sometimes scary accurate in finding things because when I am in the 'mode' I go right to the thing that is lost right off, like I am being pulled there. It is somewhat annoying because my husband is always losing things and calling on me to find them. I guess what I find most annoying is when I am asked to find things I feel a compulsion to solve the mystery. What is annoying is that I am not always in the 'mode' and when I try and fake it, I am just as hit and miss as anyone else in my accuracy.
I also rely on a form of this for finding answers to questions. I allow my mind to ponder the question and what comes to me is usually a very accurate answer. Sometimes I am surprised to find what my mind comes up with, but it has been proven time and again to solve even tough questions. (most of the questions I put to it are health related and can then be verified by scientific testing for accuracy) Again, when I don't allow myself to be in the 'mode' I am not anymore accurate than anyone else.
The reason I am stating all of this is that I never thought of this ability as akin to the dowsing ability, but I guess they are very related. For the first time ever I tried it with a tool as described on the BE board. I found it very simple and easy to do. If you haven't tried it, go ahead and give it a whirl. Don't worry what category you might be in. The steps are simple and the process is a calming one. If you are worried about your accuracy, you can always ask someone to verify for you.
The second link Wenonae listed in one of the above responses will take you right to the instructions.
It is sort of like NBE -we start at first wanting someone else to figure it all out for us, but really we are much better off doing our own work. Only you know the exact questions you want to ask. And let me tell you, the way you phrase your question has a lot to do with what response you get.
Moon - I think you should try this with a simple tool. Just clear your mind and let it happen. I don't get the feel you are stuck in a category. (in fact quite frankly I am mad as **** about somebody inventing these categories ) If you try it a couple of times in the right 'mode' you will find some interesting results. Treat it as a test - a scientific study. You are merely plumbing the depths of your unconscious mind. There is nothing hokey-science about this. It is a tool very similar to hypnosis.
waxingmoon
P.S. about the 'categories' (caution here comes a heartfelt rant) NOBODY can tell you whether you this skill is available to you or not. All they can test is whether you are at that moment able to receive this info. Many things influence our receptivity to a subjective experience with our unconscious mind. One of the most influential factors is belief. AND HERE IS WHY I AM SO MAD--- by telling someone they are in a 'category' you subject them to a 'belief' that they may not be able to overcome. The unconscious mind HEARS ALL - and what it seems to receive and act on the most is negativity.
Wenonae - you have always had some very cogent and interesting things to say and up to this point I have not seriously disagreed with you. BUT I DO ABOUT THIS! When you categorize people you BOX THEM UP - you put a label on them. You may only intend to reduce inaccuracy or explain how some do not work best with this method - but you should refrain from dissuading people from being category 1 - in other words since inaccuracy is always a possibility you could be WRONG. Being wrong in this situation is hurtful to others - it stunts their growth. Since 75% of people are receptive - it means MOST people can do this. You are playing with the unconscious minds of those you are trying to help. STOP. They think less of themselves when they hear you think they are category 3.
okay - I have ranted and yeah, I have probably overstated my point but I am not erasing a thing because I am soooooo MAD.
Wenonae
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Don't be mad waxingmoon
September 20 2007, 6:03 PM
The groups thing is really to help, honestly. It's not supposed to inhibit- it's to help people to know..hey- if you don't have accuracy, it's not because dowsing is fake, it's because you just can't. Just like everyone can't be a track runner with the fastest times...everyone can't dowse. Again, it's a skill which can be honed by those who have the inherent ability.
I've been at this a long time...been under attack a long time about dowsing in general too; hence, I pick may battles meticulously- when I have the energy for it. Along this journey, I started wondering what the heck was going on with others' dowsing attempts. Dowsing was so very easy for me...I thought it was like that for all. Needless to say I found out otherwise. So I'm now again back in the line of fire saying....do dowsing, but only if you should.
I mean if someone is going to dowse, I'm sure they'd want to get accurate answers. If you can't get accurate answers, what's the point? Additionally, even for those who are not the most spiritual, I just would not subject a novice person to being spiritually jeopardized- ESPECIALLY when they could have known beforehand and saved themselves some grief. I've seen it go down...Bbbbaaadddly. It's just sad. So, before you get mad at me- be glad someone cared enough to dig into it AND try to to get the word out.
Finally, do this. Dowse what I have for groups. I've had several people very qualified people verify it already. I've also seen all groups and 'tweens first hand. See if you get the same (once you've got your position, tool, and location optimized).
I'll bet a lot you'll have change in tune. I'm not just a frivolous, judgmental categorizer. I really try to help.
Wen' :-)
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 7:28 PM
Wenonae,
Thank you for responding, You have a valid point. Thanks for taking time to share it with me.
I had not considered the risk of inaccuracy regarding dowsing. Sometimes it amazes me the extreme lack of knowledge some come to NBE with. I can see how dowsing for dosage amounts could lead to disaster. (toxicity levels for some herbs and supplements are fairly easy to achieve) Inaccurate results in dowsing could cause a catastrophe in this regard.
I also hadn't considered the other side of belief. I was considering the 'group assignment issue' in regards to belief in one's own capabilities and not as an issue of faith/spirituality. Undoubtedly you have some experiences where this caused a crisis.
So yes, having a false sense of accuracy in regards to dowsing can cause trouble. I personally use a combined method of objective and subjective means to come up with my answers. In other words, I would not do something that came from a subjective or intuitive source (like dowsing) if it brought me into danger as confirmed by an objective source (like scientific data).
Also yes, making judgments about spiritual issues based on whether a person is accurate in dowsing can also cause trouble. I have already had my 'crisis of faith' and having survived it, I am now unshakable. I would point out that sometimes a hard journey is necessary for the growth of the person, so a spiritual crisis is not necessarily a bad thing. However, I make it a point to never start another on that kind of journey through any word or deed of my making.
Sorry to go off on you - I still stand by the 'theoretical' basis of my gripe, but I now know where you are coming from and why you do what you do. I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion or take any other action than what you have.
peace,
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 4:20 AM
I'd just like to chime in here and say that Wen is right on with categorizing dowsing abilities. I know from first hand experience I'm not a fully capable dowser. I tried and tried and tried over several months. I just never could get it even though I have total belief in dowsing. Thanks to Wen I was able to finally understand why my attempts failed. I happen to be in category 2. I can connect spiritually 2 days a month. She is a wonderful person and helps so many women along in this journey. I have complete respect for her and the advice she gives. I usually read and do not reply in this forum however I felt compelled to say this.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 9:39 AM
Wen - I see what you mean, I try to do that as much as I can.
Waxingmoon - thanks for advice, but I don't suppose I could dowse in any case cause I still don't believe in it very much. I'm kindof undecided, but I've never seen a proof and I've relied on reason for my whole life and it never failed me, so I can't believe it either.
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 4:21 PM
Hi everyone. Thanks Wen for your insight and help, and Waxy for your rant, it both was very useful.
A question though, is there anyone around that could dowse for me please? I would really like to know with the vitex dosages, I just need that stuff to work as my testosterone is really quite high and I hate this bloody acne and really want to get rid of it and know what dosages will help sort me out. I just never want to go back on the pill for this again.
Also I would love to know if the vitex will maybe sort my hormones permanently, and if so if I should take it for the 18 months recommended or longer/shorter? I know these are a lot of questions but I would really love the help.
Any ideas who I could ask? Jess doesn't seem to be around much, I know she is busy with her kids etc. and I would really like an answer asap so I can adjust my dosage if need be.
This morning I took one extra, so that would be 1200 mg today but I am not feeling right about it, just would like to have someone verifying me :-).
Wen, can you at least tell me that I am right with the 800 mg of vitex a day?
Thanks for the help and insight, I really appreciate it.
Lisa
Wenonae
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Checking Lisa121- vitex
September 21 2007, 7:27 PM
K..have permissions.
Vitex- should only be used externally (put on acne spots) only, not internally.
For internal treatment of acne which will also help BE- use saw palmetto abt 3500mg/day spread in 3 doses.
Again- vitex will stop your BE if you take it internally. Your feeling funny at 1200 because you are right. If you weren't doing BE, 800mg would be what you'd need.
Wen'
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 7:43 PM
Thanks so much Wenona, I am not doing NBE just now, primarily I want to sort out my hormones at the moment. Currently I am just doing hypnosis for NBE and am maybe going to use some cream topically, maybe some Fennel extract in it too.
I will keep on taking 800mg of vitex just now. I tried SP before while doing NBE, it never really worked well for me and I got horrendous cellulite from it, so not taking that again. I have used Nettle root, which worked and was a lot better, I just don't know if I can combine it with the vitex and if the vitex will continue to work fine if I did.
How do you use vitex topically? I only know of the capsules.
Can you find out for me how long I should take the vitex for to sort out my testosterone problem and when to take breaks? I was thinking I would maybe take a week off during my period every month.
Wenona, I really appreciate all your help, we have missed you around here, it is nice that you came over. I have been on the BE board before but am finding this forum easier, so it is nice to have you around.
Sarah L
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 9:01 PM
Hi Wen'
Thank you for replying, I'm actually really chuffed to be told I am group 2, 10 good days - yippee!
You said in your reply that the easiest thing was just to ask someone which days are good for me, I dont know anyone that dowses so not sure how to do that - or do you mean dowse to see which days are good for me? Trouble is, if I'm having an 'off' day (which only having 10 good days a month is very likely) thats not going to be easy. Also, once i find out which days are good for me, will they be the same every month?
I tried to dowse last night, i asked my usual question just to get going and it was the weirdest thing, the pendulum couldnt seem to make up its mind where it wanted to go, left, right, back, forward like it had a mind of its own. Very bizarre and a little bit scary!
Sorry to ask lots of questions but i love this subject!
Thanks
Sarah
silv
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Jess, please dowse for me
September 21 2007, 9:09 PM
Jess
Can you please dowse for me as Wen from Bebord does not have permissions to check for me and she said I'm a Tween and not accurately dowsing capable at all. My new plan will be BO from Vitamin Power. I will be taking kelp, N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine and Protein shake. I will continue to do the massages. I'm also listening to a hypnosis CD. I have the following questions
1. Will i be able to gain any cup size with this program
2. what is the best dosage for me (1500mg or 1800mg)?
3. how long should I stay on BO to see some and best result?
4. Do I have to add anything else to my program?
So sorry for asking so many question and thank you so much for your help.
LinZ
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Dosage for me?
September 22 2007, 8:09 PM
I'm new to these boards and I had never even heard of dowsing before reading this thread. (Though I did act in a play called "Diviners" once and thinking back on it I guess it kind of dealt with this topic.) I'm still trying to decide if I should try BO or not... and if I try, I'm not sure which brand or dosage I should use. Or if anything else would be needed (I read some people use L-Tyresone & Kelp with their BO... and then there is those protein shakes & the fact that some BO has been switched to PO) and I don't know if my being on BCP will hurt or help my chances at growth. Can any of you dowsers help me? I feel like there are so many choices out there that I will never know which would be right for me and I don't have enough money to just try everything.
I've never measured myself, but I know that I am VERY small (I buy "nearly A" bras). I'm 26 and my kid sister is bustier than me... I just want to feel more womanly. But being 26 I'm also concerned about fertility... some posts mention BO can affect fertility but I never read a definitive answer as to whether it did or didn't.
ANY help would be appreciated!
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 23 2007, 8:16 AM
To SarahL-
Yeah..it can be a trick to know what your 10 days are of the month the first time around. They aren't the same 10 days (dates), instead, they are the same 10 days, every 4 weeks :-D. And darn it if I just don't have permissions to tell you what days. Well, the good news is that I indicate your p will act funky- period, when you're not supposed to dowse. Heh..so there you have it. Just pick it up and try to see if it 'works' that day. If it does...figure out which days.
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To Lisa121-
I'm going to start another thread to try to help the Group 3 folks be able to figure out a way to fine tune regimens and all. Group three people still have ability- it's just all gut intuition, all physical. Nothing spiritually guided. Your potential accuracy is 79%.
..and funny, this board- I just get lost. I haven't even figured out how to edit my thread. Maybe I need an account upgrade? LOL. Still don't know.
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To LinZ-
I don't have permissions to help you, but you can help yourself. :-D. Check out the thread labeled- Group 3 dowsers. Your intuitive ability has a potential accuracy of 87%.
Wen'
Jess
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Sorry I've been away so long
October 1 2007, 10:00 AM
Looks like Wen has helped mostly everyone on this board, so here's what I dowsed with for the last two members who posted for help:
Both Silv & LinZ can enlarge breasts permanently with bovine ovary, but it's not the fastest/safest/healthiest options for you. I think you would both be better off with herbal BE routines.
Maybe Wen can check that for me
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
October 1 2007, 11:04 PM
:-)
Only have permisisons to rate your accuracy.
For Silve- it's 100%.
For LinZ- it's 71%
Wen'
September 15 2007 at 10:28 AM
sandy (Login sandy111)
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Hello everyone.I know a lot of you can dowse here,but could anyone ofer me help?unfortunatley i am not a dowser but would really love to have answers to my maaaany questions.So if anyone could offer me help.here they are:
I will be on phytoestogen herbs, so how many mg should i take for growth.
How much growth can i expect during my routine?
How long should i keep taking herbs for maximum growth?
Will i keep my growth after i'm done?
how much saw palmetto and L-arginine should i add?
Thanks for all responses i appreciate the effort
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 11:07 AM
Personally I think dowsing is most likly a load of crap. There is way too little evidence and even reasonable explanations on how it could work. And there is way too much possibilities of how it could be made to apper it works but actually doesn't - autosuggestion. I think relying on dowsing, this sort of mystical magical miraculous method to grow breasts is taking NBE way to lightly.
Sane Sheep
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 4:15 PM
Isn't it better to use ones brain instead of relying on a pendulum?
dunny
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 7:43 PM
Some women truly believe in dowsing, based on their experience.
sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 9:09 PM
Oh,i never knew dowsing was only done with a pendelum.I just wondered how many girls seemed to know their dosages using a method refered to as dowsing.Never thought it relied only on that.Thanks anyway girls
Lisa
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 9:46 PM
I wouldn't trash dowsing, I think it has something to do with what you intuitively know and transfer to the pendulum, if anything. I myself just go from what I feel is right for my body at the moment, and of course use references such as what the usual dosages are or what it says on the bottles.
Don't feel silly, it was just a question, and there are people who rely and have relied on it quite heavily.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 15 2007, 10:46 PM
No, of course asking a question isn't silly, don't worry Sandy. As for dowsing being intuition, I think intuition is more like being very in tune withyour body and particulary knowing how to read the slightest signs. That I do believe in and rely on it myself too. The dowsing thing I think is false, cause how can you do it for somone else? Then theoretically if two people did it for another person, both should get the same aswers. Does that happen? I don't think so. Dowsing is making sth up and believing that a higher power told you, and then maybe getting a placebo effect.
Dee
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 1:52 AM
I have dowsed for myself, and asked some people to doublecheck for me, and we have come up with the same answers pretty consistently, though there was no way of knowing. I also asked a question about my sick pet on a dowsing board once, they were all total strangers, but they were pretty accurate. However, dowsing can be a difficult skill, especially if you're emotionally invested in the topic.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 11:59 AM
Um, but how can you know for sure that everyone came up with the same answer? They could have seen the answer of the first person and then said they got the same result, or subconsciously influence it to get the same result.
Dee
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 3:21 PM
That's a good point, but I've had several occasions where different people were the first responders to my dowsing request, and they were accurate, but they didn't have anyone else's answers to read. I;ve also had people email or pm me, and on different forums, not just BE forums. I'm not trying to convert or convince anybody, just saying whats worked for me so far. Being very scientifically-minded, I can understand and appreciate skepticism that some people have expressed.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 7:02 PM
Fair enoguh, nor am I trying to avert anyone from doing what they want.
I did give dowsing a chance tho, when I first heard about it, and it didn't tell me a damn thing lol!
Just out of curiousity, so if you ask the pendulum 'Is my name *insert your name*?, does it really always answer yes?
Jess
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 9:06 PM
Hi Sandy
Please don't feel funny for asking. There are many dowsers who do influence real health/life changes.
I dowse myself, but I am far from being an expert.
Here is what I dowsed about you:
- Take 2100 mg BO / day
- You can expect 2+ cups of growth
- Take BO for about 9 months
- Results will be permanent
You should probably ask Wen from beboards.proboards107.com to check these answers for you. I'm kind of in a rush right now because my kids are all over the place!
But if you really want to dowse for BE purposes there's no need to feel silly. You should however give it a shot so you can fine tune your routine.
Best of luck!
Lost Sheep
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 16 2007, 9:48 PM
Yes, it does. I can also ask questions like "am i allergic to this food, do i have a brother," etc., and it worked. I showed my very Catholic friend and it creeped him out. He said he needed to call his grandmother and do some Hail Marys or something lol. Which is another reason that I understand it's not for everybody. But Moon, thanks for respecting my position about this
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 17 2007, 8:11 AM
Wow, that sounds impressive. Now I'm undecided again, lol I'm so tempted to blieve it does work! Oh well it would be nice if it did.
sandy
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Oh Thanks A lot Jess
September 17 2007, 10:15 AM
That was very Kind of You.Thanks a lot
I appreciate giving me from you time.I did ask Wen but there is something always going wrong,she is not getting permission to dowse for me.A shame i know.Maybe she would be able to do that soon.Thanks Wenonae
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:-) I'm a dowser
September 17 2007, 7:27 PM
Nice discussion.
Will just a small comment. Everyone can't dowse. I've become experienced enough to know a LOT about dowsing as a whole; even why it came to be considered evil, etc.
The bottom line is that for those who can do it full out(about 75% of people)..it's still a skill (like learning to walk, etc.). The rest of the populace has limited or no capability. I've got a lot of things laid out as I've gone along this whole dowsing journey.
Since it's a skill- it's important to pick a good tool to learn with, be in a good position so you don't disrupt the energy you're trying to read, and that you're in a good location. Even the Earth has it's own energy..and can throw off beginners. Do note: the tool doesn't even have to be a pendulum- in fact, I just use my body.
Anyhow..I stopped in on the request of Sandy to checkout what Jess came up with. I have no permissions to directly help Sandy, but I can check what Jess did. :-) Jess's answers are 92% accurate. She'll need to check about the SP and l-arginine when she can. That will finish rounding out the routine.
Sandy- I'd go with the dose that Jess came up with. The 2 cups is a lot actually. Most folks can generally safely increase 1-3 cups. If you're AA or AAA..you may be able to safely increase as much as 4-5cups.
Wen'
Sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 17 2007, 7:57 PM
Thanks Wen
So i'll even grow less than 2 cups?That is a shame
I am a size 36 B but look really small.I was hoping for 4 cups increase to get the boobs i want.Anyway thanks a lot
Wenonae
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Any dowsers here??
September 17 2007, 10:20 PM
You probably look small because you are missing 'tops'. With those filled in..even small breasts look 'big'. Perhaps Jess can check also if you fill those in more using BO. If she can't- focus on doing massage on the upper part of your breasts.
Wen'
Sandy
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SENIOR MEMBER
Good Point!
September 17 2007, 11:06 PM
Wen,
Ahaaa.This might be it.You are totally right.I am like a "L" shape.No tops at all.Thanks for pointing that issue Wen.
Jess,
please If you find yourself having some time,Could you please check those things for me?
Jess
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More to add to your routine
September 18 2007, 1:44 AM
Hi Sandy
I dowsed again and here's what I got:
Saw Palmetto: 645 mg every day
L' Arginine: 1 500 mg capsule every other day
I also asked about massaging and I dowsed that you should be massaging for a total of about 15 minutes each day. Dry massages are fine.
I hope Wen can check my answers. I haven't dowsed for anyone in a looong time so I'm curious to see how I "perform".
The routine I dowsed for you is kind of similar to mine. Hopefully we'll both see great results. I've been on my BO routine for about 2 weeks and I'm feeling fullness and slight tenderness today.
Jess
Buffeee
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 11:29 AM
How come people never dowse that it's not going to work for them? The routines dowswers dowse up for themselves and each other fail the VAST majority of the time. Shouldn't they have known that in the first place? lol. I thing dowsing is a huge waste of time for all but the most in-tune with their bodies. In my opinion, if you are asking someone else to dowse for you or check for you, it isn't going to work. That's not because it's magic, but rather because you don't understand NBE methods or your body's response to them. I'm not trying to piss people off or discourage them, but rather to make a point.
sandy
(Login sandy111)
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Thanks Jess
September 18 2007, 12:03 PM
Thanks for dowsing for me
I will start this routine soon and see how things go.But saw palemtto only that much?I'll try it and see
My Goal is 100 cm across i am now 88cm ,and i will do what ever it takes to reach there.Even thought the dowsing results say I won't i will try my bestThanks for everything and i wish you the best of boobie growth.Jess what brand of Bo are you on now?
Jess
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 7:11 PM
Hi Sandy
I'm on Vitamin Power BO (3 tablets in the morning) and DNE Porcine Ovary (1 at night). I've dowsed that I'm supposed to ramp up slowly.
About the Saw Palmetto, that dosage might change because I notice that my dowsed dosages always tend to ramp up/down during different stages of my cycle. I take less Saw Palmetto during my luteal stage than follicle.
I read that someone on the BE board dowsed to fine-tune her routine as much as 3x a day.
Note: After I posted I noticed that it might look like I posted 1500 mg of L Arginine, so I just wanted to clarify that it's 1 capsule of L'Arginine (500 mg) every other day.
Good luck Sandy!
xxsmall
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 9:30 PM
Jess,
Would it be too much to ask to give me a direction? I've been searching and reading a lot on this Forum but basicaly I still have no clue what combination of herbs or pills I should take. It seems like people kind of pick something randomly and see and wait. So I would be sooo delighted if I could get some direction.
many thanks ahead,
xxsmall
sandy
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 18 2007, 10:16 PM
Thanks Jess for the effort and i wish you the best of luck too.
When i get my VP i will start at 1800mg and ramp up if i don't feel anything
I am on DNE now 1500mg and i am sometimes feeling a funny sensation im my breasts,like tiny butterflies and sometimes pain under my armpit.I guess this is a good sign.I hope.I never felt those things on 2000mg.I don't know.I let my body tell me what to do.I am on 1500 mg saw palmetto too.Started at 500mg and ramped up after asking Fawn.I have a lot of Thin hair on my arms and face(thank God blond) that is why i think i need larger doses Of SP Thanks for everything Jess.Keep me posted on how you are doing with BO.Guess we can do that on the BO page Good luckLisa121
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Hello Jess
September 18 2007, 10:45 PM
Jess, if you have the time would you mind dowsing for me on how much vitex I should take? I am on 800mg a day just now, on the bottle it says I can take up to double. Also, should I add Fenugreek and/or Milk Thistle? I am taking this to help balance my hormones, too much androgens, and of course wouldn't mind if my boobs got bigger with this too but my main concern just now is to get rid of those horrible androgenic symptoms like acne, mood swings etc.
I have seen it work with my own eyes before and I would just love the extra input. I would do it myself too but I just don't feel like I have the patience just now to try and learn it, also it does creep me out a bit when I see the pendulum swing the right directions.
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks,
Lisa
Wenonae
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Dowsing help/ Response to Buffee
September 19 2007, 6:34 PM
I'm going to try to hit 2 birds with one stone here.
TO Buffee:
"How come people never dowse that it's not going to work for them? The routines dowswers dowse up for themselves and each other fail the VAST majority of the time. Shouldn't they have known that in the first place? lol. I thing dowsing is a huge waste of time for all but the most in-tune with their bodies. In my opinion, if you are asking someone else to dowse for you or check for you, it isn't going to work. That's not because it's magic, but rather because you don't understand NBE methods or your body's response to them. I'm not trying to piss people off or discourage them, but rather to make a point."
Well, actually people do dowse BE won't work for them. However, many cases it's because their health is so bad, if they did BE they'd put themselves at more risk. So they get to do cleanses and other such sorts to get their health together. And for those who fail while using dowsing (remember it's a skill), is more a reflection of not being able to figure out blocks and impedances. BE for some people can be rooted in spiritual issues. For some- it's purely physical (hormonal imbalance). For those who purely have a physical imbalance- BE goes along rather reasonably.
Dowsing can provide all the clues- but it's key to know what questions to ask. If you aren't progressing per indications- something is up. Period. That's where these forums are so very helpful 'cause you can get insight on what someone else did to get past that hump or get ideas on another way to fix things so you can move forward.
I would agree that asking someone else for dowsed help- may not be a fix-all, but it could provide someone insight at least to know if they have a better BE chance with BO vs. herbs for example. Or to know if they have spiritual inhibitors or not.
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TO ALL (Dowsing help):
Dowsing accesses an all-knowing level. It can be a bit much for one person to access it on behalf of any and everyone. There's this thing called 'permissions'. It's a questioning sequence that you ask in regards to ANYTHING. We are not entitled to know 'everything' there is to know...so there's info we can and can not get. To stay on the straight and narrow- what one should do is ask 'May I ask about....?, Can I ask about...?, and Should I ask about....?' If you get a yes to all of those questions- you have 'permissions' to ask that question.
Jess has permissions to ask BE questions on behalf of Lisa121, but not xxsmall. But that's only for the time being (prolly some basic questions). Really, I feel people should give it a try on their own...but I also know everyone just doesn't have ability to do this.
Lisa121, you don't have ability to dowse accurately. And you shouldn't try. You're in Group 3. See this thread about groups: http://www.beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=popular&thread=1189535198&page=1
XXSmall, you're actually a Group 1 dowser..so give it a go. There's a thread on BEB for all the basics. Someone can help you to assure that you're using a good tool, have a good position, good location. See this thread
http://www.beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=popular&action=display&thread=1080773913
Wen'
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 7:17 PM
Hi Wenonae, I actually tried dowsing before with guidance of someone who has the ability and it worked alright. I believe I can actually do it but don't feel like I am in the right frame of mind for it at the moment.
How can you be so sure about the groups and most of all, about who is in which group? Not critizising or anything, just wondering.
Snowflake
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I would be intterested and give permission!
September 19 2007, 7:35 PM
I have probably joined this thread too late, but here goes anyway. If someone could dowse me that would be great. I would like to try Botanical Beauty Bo 3 month kit. Would it work for me? Would it make me moody? Would it be safe? Would I need the pituitary glandular or just the BO? How long would I take it and how much growth? Would I put on weight? I am not sure what to ask and am not confident enough to try it myself. Anyone willing to take a stab at it for me? Thanks
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 8:03 PM
Okay, I started out as a real sceptic. I often form strong opinions on things really fast, and then change them just as fast. I do that becaue I have a really strong desire for truth. But lately I've come to realise that truth is not so easily accesible and I simply won't be able to avoid not knowing everything, not being sure. So now I'm kinda opinionless and open. But I so want to know.
Wen, could you tell me what group I am / do I have the ability to dowse?
xxsmall
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 8:53 PM
Wen,
Wow, I think you opened up a whole new world for me! Thank you!
I have only asked my babies gender before ( used a needle to do it and only because it was an old Eastern European wifestale and I wanted to believe it) but I had no clue that I could actually "use it" for more things.
Anyway I have tried and I got the answer that it is not time yet to ask these types of questions. That is a weird answer to me since I have never asked anything before. And also it seems weird that after such a short time I am able to "communicate" with the Spirit. Or am I just imaginig?
bizarrrrr
xxsmall
Alexia
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 9:08 PM
I would also like to know if I could have the ability to dowse, I'm certainly interested!
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 9:36 PM
Hiya Lisa-
Well, you're a tweenie (in between groups, but functionally in Group 3). You have some ability, but it's not generally 'safe' for you to really work on it. You'll start having some paranoia about it..start feeling wigged out then stop. How do I know? I'm an experienced dowser :-D. I've taught a lot of people virtually and in person. I've seen a heck of a lot of the progression of dowsers in the various groups. This is how I started being able to categorize. Initially thought a lot more people were fully accurately capable..then some folks started (for lack of better terms)- flipping. I dug into why.
Snowflake-
See the comment I made before this one. You're in group 2- so you have limited capability (5 days a month you can safely dowse). But, at least you CAN do it. Give it a whirl.
Moon-
You're in group 3- like no dowsing accuracy consistently possible; you're not a tweenie either. On scale of 1 to 100 (where 100 is accuracy of your hunches/gut instincts) your instincts are 83% correct. So really get used to seeing how your body subtly responds to things like if you go to eat food, does your nose scrunch up? If so, prolly isn't good for you. Do you see something and frown w/o thinking? Prolly isn't good for you. Etc.
Alexia-
You're also in Group 2. You're accurately dowsing capable 4 days of month. Don't bother doing it on other days..once you have the technique learned.
Wen'
Snowflake
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Sorry, I am stupid about this, really
September 19 2007, 10:06 PM
What five days of the month, how do I know which days. Years ago when I was expecteing we used to do this with needle over tummy to see if it was girl or boy, right every time.
Sarah L
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 10:10 PM
Wen'
I am fascinated by this subject and have had some success at dowsing myself! How do you know which days are good for you to dowse and which aren't? 4 days a month isnt much and might be easy to miss if you are not trying every day!
Sorry if the answer is obvious, i am a bit tired!!
thanks Sarah
Wenonae
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Knowing which days of Month if you're in Grp 2
September 19 2007, 11:53 PM
Snowflake-
You would either dowse what dates are good, have someone else who has permissions tell you what day is good, or have an indicator for this.
You can either dowse with a pendulum tool...or some can use their body. But you would try to see if you're 'in Tune with Inner Self (gut), High Self (soul), and Holy Spirit'. If you get a yes to all three..then you'd ask, is it possible for me to have 100% accuracy in dowsing? If not, then what days will be good.
If you get a no to the 'In Tune' question...it's DEFINITELY not a good day.
Wen'
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 19 2007, 11:54 PM
..Oh, and I had no permissions to tell you exactly what days would work. Sorries.
Wen'
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 12:10 AM
Wenonea, Thanks! Will consider this seriously.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 8:11 AM
Oh well I guess I'l just have to keep relying on science. And... no, I don't really do any of those two thngs.
Alexia
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 9:49 AM
Thanks Wen!
Wenonae
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If you're group 2, how to know
September 20 2007, 3:33 PM
TO SARAHL-
I believe I answered the question you asked in that next reply.
Really, again the easiest way is just for someone to tell you. Then from there onward, you dowse which days are best. Incidentally, yeppers, you're in Group 2. There are consistently 10 days of the month where you can dowse w/ accuracy. :-D
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TO MOOON:
Think a little more outside the box. What I listed were examples...of how to have an idea when your body is responding. If you've had no experience even close to that...try to pay attention to the small things about how you respond when you really like something..or how you respond when you don't. Then extrapolate that into seeing, how does my body move...or do the hairs on my next stand up, etc.
Wen'
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 5:02 PM
I have known of dowsing for some time and have used a form of it when I wanted to find things. For me it never involved using a tool, just relying on a feeling in my body. I am sometimes scary accurate in finding things because when I am in the 'mode' I go right to the thing that is lost right off, like I am being pulled there. It is somewhat annoying because my husband is always losing things and calling on me to find them. I guess what I find most annoying is when I am asked to find things I feel a compulsion to solve the mystery. What is annoying is that I am not always in the 'mode' and when I try and fake it, I am just as hit and miss as anyone else in my accuracy.
I also rely on a form of this for finding answers to questions. I allow my mind to ponder the question and what comes to me is usually a very accurate answer. Sometimes I am surprised to find what my mind comes up with, but it has been proven time and again to solve even tough questions. (most of the questions I put to it are health related and can then be verified by scientific testing for accuracy) Again, when I don't allow myself to be in the 'mode' I am not anymore accurate than anyone else.
The reason I am stating all of this is that I never thought of this ability as akin to the dowsing ability, but I guess they are very related. For the first time ever I tried it with a tool as described on the BE board. I found it very simple and easy to do. If you haven't tried it, go ahead and give it a whirl. Don't worry what category you might be in. The steps are simple and the process is a calming one. If you are worried about your accuracy, you can always ask someone to verify for you.
The second link Wenonae listed in one of the above responses will take you right to the instructions.
It is sort of like NBE -we start at first wanting someone else to figure it all out for us, but really we are much better off doing our own work. Only you know the exact questions you want to ask. And let me tell you, the way you phrase your question has a lot to do with what response you get.
Moon - I think you should try this with a simple tool. Just clear your mind and let it happen. I don't get the feel you are stuck in a category. (in fact quite frankly I am mad as **** about somebody inventing these categories ) If you try it a couple of times in the right 'mode' you will find some interesting results. Treat it as a test - a scientific study. You are merely plumbing the depths of your unconscious mind. There is nothing hokey-science about this. It is a tool very similar to hypnosis.
waxingmoon
P.S. about the 'categories' (caution here comes a heartfelt rant) NOBODY can tell you whether you this skill is available to you or not. All they can test is whether you are at that moment able to receive this info. Many things influence our receptivity to a subjective experience with our unconscious mind. One of the most influential factors is belief. AND HERE IS WHY I AM SO MAD--- by telling someone they are in a 'category' you subject them to a 'belief' that they may not be able to overcome. The unconscious mind HEARS ALL - and what it seems to receive and act on the most is negativity.
Wenonae - you have always had some very cogent and interesting things to say and up to this point I have not seriously disagreed with you. BUT I DO ABOUT THIS! When you categorize people you BOX THEM UP - you put a label on them. You may only intend to reduce inaccuracy or explain how some do not work best with this method - but you should refrain from dissuading people from being category 1 - in other words since inaccuracy is always a possibility you could be WRONG. Being wrong in this situation is hurtful to others - it stunts their growth. Since 75% of people are receptive - it means MOST people can do this. You are playing with the unconscious minds of those you are trying to help. STOP. They think less of themselves when they hear you think they are category 3.
okay - I have ranted and yeah, I have probably overstated my point but I am not erasing a thing because I am soooooo MAD.
Wenonae
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Don't be mad waxingmoon
September 20 2007, 6:03 PM
The groups thing is really to help, honestly. It's not supposed to inhibit- it's to help people to know..hey- if you don't have accuracy, it's not because dowsing is fake, it's because you just can't. Just like everyone can't be a track runner with the fastest times...everyone can't dowse. Again, it's a skill which can be honed by those who have the inherent ability.
I've been at this a long time...been under attack a long time about dowsing in general too; hence, I pick may battles meticulously- when I have the energy for it. Along this journey, I started wondering what the heck was going on with others' dowsing attempts. Dowsing was so very easy for me...I thought it was like that for all. Needless to say I found out otherwise. So I'm now again back in the line of fire saying....do dowsing, but only if you should.
I mean if someone is going to dowse, I'm sure they'd want to get accurate answers. If you can't get accurate answers, what's the point? Additionally, even for those who are not the most spiritual, I just would not subject a novice person to being spiritually jeopardized- ESPECIALLY when they could have known beforehand and saved themselves some grief. I've seen it go down...Bbbbaaadddly. It's just sad. So, before you get mad at me- be glad someone cared enough to dig into it AND try to to get the word out.
Finally, do this. Dowse what I have for groups. I've had several people very qualified people verify it already. I've also seen all groups and 'tweens first hand. See if you get the same (once you've got your position, tool, and location optimized).
I'll bet a lot you'll have change in tune. I'm not just a frivolous, judgmental categorizer. I really try to help.
Wen' :-)
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 20 2007, 7:28 PM
Wenonae,
Thank you for responding, You have a valid point. Thanks for taking time to share it with me.
I had not considered the risk of inaccuracy regarding dowsing. Sometimes it amazes me the extreme lack of knowledge some come to NBE with. I can see how dowsing for dosage amounts could lead to disaster. (toxicity levels for some herbs and supplements are fairly easy to achieve) Inaccurate results in dowsing could cause a catastrophe in this regard.
I also hadn't considered the other side of belief. I was considering the 'group assignment issue' in regards to belief in one's own capabilities and not as an issue of faith/spirituality. Undoubtedly you have some experiences where this caused a crisis.
So yes, having a false sense of accuracy in regards to dowsing can cause trouble. I personally use a combined method of objective and subjective means to come up with my answers. In other words, I would not do something that came from a subjective or intuitive source (like dowsing) if it brought me into danger as confirmed by an objective source (like scientific data).
Also yes, making judgments about spiritual issues based on whether a person is accurate in dowsing can also cause trouble. I have already had my 'crisis of faith' and having survived it, I am now unshakable. I would point out that sometimes a hard journey is necessary for the growth of the person, so a spiritual crisis is not necessarily a bad thing. However, I make it a point to never start another on that kind of journey through any word or deed of my making.
Sorry to go off on you - I still stand by the 'theoretical' basis of my gripe, but I now know where you are coming from and why you do what you do. I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion or take any other action than what you have.
peace,
waxingmoon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 4:20 AM
I'd just like to chime in here and say that Wen is right on with categorizing dowsing abilities. I know from first hand experience I'm not a fully capable dowser. I tried and tried and tried over several months. I just never could get it even though I have total belief in dowsing. Thanks to Wen I was able to finally understand why my attempts failed. I happen to be in category 2. I can connect spiritually 2 days a month. She is a wonderful person and helps so many women along in this journey. I have complete respect for her and the advice she gives. I usually read and do not reply in this forum however I felt compelled to say this.
Moon
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 9:39 AM
Wen - I see what you mean, I try to do that as much as I can.
Waxingmoon - thanks for advice, but I don't suppose I could dowse in any case cause I still don't believe in it very much. I'm kindof undecided, but I've never seen a proof and I've relied on reason for my whole life and it never failed me, so I can't believe it either.
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 4:21 PM
Hi everyone. Thanks Wen for your insight and help, and Waxy for your rant, it both was very useful.
A question though, is there anyone around that could dowse for me please? I would really like to know with the vitex dosages, I just need that stuff to work as my testosterone is really quite high and I hate this bloody acne and really want to get rid of it and know what dosages will help sort me out. I just never want to go back on the pill for this again.
Also I would love to know if the vitex will maybe sort my hormones permanently, and if so if I should take it for the 18 months recommended or longer/shorter? I know these are a lot of questions but I would really love the help.
Any ideas who I could ask? Jess doesn't seem to be around much, I know she is busy with her kids etc. and I would really like an answer asap so I can adjust my dosage if need be.
This morning I took one extra, so that would be 1200 mg today but I am not feeling right about it, just would like to have someone verifying me :-).
Wen, can you at least tell me that I am right with the 800 mg of vitex a day?
Thanks for the help and insight, I really appreciate it.
Lisa
Wenonae
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Checking Lisa121- vitex
September 21 2007, 7:27 PM
K..have permissions.
Vitex- should only be used externally (put on acne spots) only, not internally.
For internal treatment of acne which will also help BE- use saw palmetto abt 3500mg/day spread in 3 doses.
Again- vitex will stop your BE if you take it internally. Your feeling funny at 1200 because you are right. If you weren't doing BE, 800mg would be what you'd need.
Wen'
Lisa121
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 7:43 PM
Thanks so much Wenona, I am not doing NBE just now, primarily I want to sort out my hormones at the moment. Currently I am just doing hypnosis for NBE and am maybe going to use some cream topically, maybe some Fennel extract in it too.
I will keep on taking 800mg of vitex just now. I tried SP before while doing NBE, it never really worked well for me and I got horrendous cellulite from it, so not taking that again. I have used Nettle root, which worked and was a lot better, I just don't know if I can combine it with the vitex and if the vitex will continue to work fine if I did.
How do you use vitex topically? I only know of the capsules.
Can you find out for me how long I should take the vitex for to sort out my testosterone problem and when to take breaks? I was thinking I would maybe take a week off during my period every month.
Wenona, I really appreciate all your help, we have missed you around here, it is nice that you came over. I have been on the BE board before but am finding this forum easier, so it is nice to have you around.
Sarah L
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 21 2007, 9:01 PM
Hi Wen'
Thank you for replying, I'm actually really chuffed to be told I am group 2, 10 good days - yippee!
You said in your reply that the easiest thing was just to ask someone which days are good for me, I dont know anyone that dowses so not sure how to do that - or do you mean dowse to see which days are good for me? Trouble is, if I'm having an 'off' day (which only having 10 good days a month is very likely) thats not going to be easy. Also, once i find out which days are good for me, will they be the same every month?
I tried to dowse last night, i asked my usual question just to get going and it was the weirdest thing, the pendulum couldnt seem to make up its mind where it wanted to go, left, right, back, forward like it had a mind of its own. Very bizarre and a little bit scary!
Sorry to ask lots of questions but i love this subject!
Thanks
Sarah
silv
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Jess, please dowse for me
September 21 2007, 9:09 PM
Jess
Can you please dowse for me as Wen from Bebord does not have permissions to check for me and she said I'm a Tween and not accurately dowsing capable at all. My new plan will be BO from Vitamin Power. I will be taking kelp, N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine and Protein shake. I will continue to do the massages. I'm also listening to a hypnosis CD. I have the following questions
1. Will i be able to gain any cup size with this program
2. what is the best dosage for me (1500mg or 1800mg)?
3. how long should I stay on BO to see some and best result?
4. Do I have to add anything else to my program?
So sorry for asking so many question and thank you so much for your help.
LinZ
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Dosage for me?
September 22 2007, 8:09 PM
I'm new to these boards and I had never even heard of dowsing before reading this thread. (Though I did act in a play called "Diviners" once and thinking back on it I guess it kind of dealt with this topic.) I'm still trying to decide if I should try BO or not... and if I try, I'm not sure which brand or dosage I should use. Or if anything else would be needed (I read some people use L-Tyresone & Kelp with their BO... and then there is those protein shakes & the fact that some BO has been switched to PO) and I don't know if my being on BCP will hurt or help my chances at growth. Can any of you dowsers help me? I feel like there are so many choices out there that I will never know which would be right for me and I don't have enough money to just try everything.
I've never measured myself, but I know that I am VERY small (I buy "nearly A" bras). I'm 26 and my kid sister is bustier than me... I just want to feel more womanly. But being 26 I'm also concerned about fertility... some posts mention BO can affect fertility but I never read a definitive answer as to whether it did or didn't.
ANY help would be appreciated!
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
September 23 2007, 8:16 AM
To SarahL-
Yeah..it can be a trick to know what your 10 days are of the month the first time around. They aren't the same 10 days (dates), instead, they are the same 10 days, every 4 weeks :-D. And darn it if I just don't have permissions to tell you what days. Well, the good news is that I indicate your p will act funky- period, when you're not supposed to dowse. Heh..so there you have it. Just pick it up and try to see if it 'works' that day. If it does...figure out which days.
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To Lisa121-
I'm going to start another thread to try to help the Group 3 folks be able to figure out a way to fine tune regimens and all. Group three people still have ability- it's just all gut intuition, all physical. Nothing spiritually guided. Your potential accuracy is 79%.
..and funny, this board- I just get lost. I haven't even figured out how to edit my thread. Maybe I need an account upgrade? LOL. Still don't know.
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To LinZ-
I don't have permissions to help you, but you can help yourself. :-D. Check out the thread labeled- Group 3 dowsers. Your intuitive ability has a potential accuracy of 87%.
Wen'
Jess
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Sorry I've been away so long
October 1 2007, 10:00 AM
Looks like Wen has helped mostly everyone on this board, so here's what I dowsed with for the last two members who posted for help:
Both Silv & LinZ can enlarge breasts permanently with bovine ovary, but it's not the fastest/safest/healthiest options for you. I think you would both be better off with herbal BE routines.
Maybe Wen can check that for me
Wenonae
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Re: Any dowsers here??
October 1 2007, 11:04 PM
:-)
Only have permisisons to rate your accuracy.
For Silve- it's 100%.
For LinZ- it's 71%
Wen'
