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(01-02-2024, 09:46 AM)honey_bunny3456 Wrote:  Thanks for such a quick response!

  1. I tested LH, FSH and estradiol on the third or fourth day of my cycle and progesterone around a week before my period started (this was at the beginning of 2023)
  2. My cycle was always around 27 to 31 days max. Before starting with PC, some hormonal changes caused my period to start earlier than normal and my cycle was around 22-23 days for two months straight. Then PC stabilized it, and my cycle was 27 days in December and 30 days in January. 
  3. My boobs are usually the same as the largest swollen size from before (apart from that period of time right at the end of my period when they deflate only a bit but they get back to normal size right after ovulation). I think PC might have caused some growth for me, as my boobs stay the same swollen size, but they are very soft (so no tenderness at all even before my period).
And thank you so much for suggesting brown rice! I already eat brown basmati rice regularly btw. 

Do you suggest that I should retake the hormonal tests (especially progesterone)? And when exactly should I test progesterone? My doctor always recommended to test it a week before my period starts. 

And what do you think of my estradiol levels? 

Thank you so much in advance! Smile 
No problem.  Day 3 and 2 days before your period tend to have low estrogen and progesterone so it may be hard to tell from those days.  You could retest a week before your period starts or you could try more PC and see what happens since it has helped so far.  If it stops helping you might go back down or add pueraria mirifica.  The lack of swelling yet greater general size might be because your hormones are better balanced now, so there isn’t as strong of a response during or a little after late luteal when your body makes progesterone naturally.

Yeah your testosterone is and was probably high and saw palmetto extract can help.  If you need more you can do use up to 10g dry spearmint in tea.  But this can also reduce regular testosterone which can have benefits for muscle workouts and your lower half.  Not only fight the DHT that leads to excessive facial hair.  Both forms of testosterone are anti-breast.  So it depends whether it’s worth the tradeoff for you.  

Both estrogen and progesterone are low during your period so it’s normal to deflate afterwards regardless of your hormone balance.  If you swell up a lot after ovulation (mid cycle) then more estrogen imitators such as PM may help though.  If your hormones are balanced then both PM and PC may help, though that is a stronger program.

Massaging and noogling aren’t necessary and I don’t usually bring them up because they are so time consuming to even get a little growth.  But a little bit of massage, at least 15 min twice a week, helps circulation and breast health and may help supplements work.  A non-oily lotion or anything else is fine.  Some oils do a little better but it’s not critical.
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