[Stealth94]

Hey sweet,

What is the reason why you take estrogenic herbs during lutheal phase?

In lutheal phase you’re progesterone dominant, sooo...too much estrogens means less progestinic effect and estrogen dominance, do u agree with me?

If u want to use estrogenic herbs you should take weak phytoestrogens like FG or borage oil I guess... or at least less than 100mg PM.

No, I don't agree with you neither with Lotus about this.

Theorically during luteal phase the mix of high progesteron and estrogen makes breast grow (that's why she said E is better during luteal)  BUT in the late luteal all those cells go back to their normal by apotosis... so... IMHO you should take Estrogen during late lutheal and early follicular to prevent that celular death and keep the growth. It'b de like creating a mini pregnancy/puberty wich is what we need for breast growth.

High Estrogen and Ifg-1 taking E on late luteal early Follicular you prevent the E levels to drop

That's why all those japanese gurls have succeded even though they took E on follicular.

Since they take high doses of E, during luteal they'll have higher levels than usual, so by the time it is supposed to drop, levels are still high. At least high enough to get growth. Also the succesful japanese programs take pig placenta wich is highly biocompatible with the human body (and btw that's the reason why people who use sheep placenta doesn't get as good results as the J girls)

So placenta raises not only Progesterone, but also, Estrogen, Prolactin and has lots of Growth Hormones too.

In short taking Estrogen on luteal or follicular can give you results, not for the timing, but because breast grow with high estrogen, ifg1,(principally) but also prolactin and progesterone are very important.

What's your source for pig placenta?? I can't seem to find it anywhere