[sp2000]

I am new here and trying to collect some information and facts.

1- first of all how long have you been using BO (bovine ovary) extract?
did you notice any change in your body?
2-Have you got any side effects so far like joint pain, fatigue, low appetite sleep issues, vision problem etc
3-do you have children or plan to have? what is your information about BO extract affecting fertility? does it increase female fertility or decrease.
4-what other glandulars you are taking and what effects have you observed?

So far what I have read by Selling companies of Bovine ovary extract is that it stimulate pituitary gland. But I want to see some scientific research to back this claim. I want to know if there is any such research and who sponsored it. I know BO creates feminism in males but how? I want to know the mechanism not the result.
thanks

[Jaded Jade]

Read the BO section in the bio-male section.

For males It works well for some people, not at all for others, and sometimes makes people feel kind of ill. It also seems like the general opinion is that it might push you past a point of no return towards being MTF. If that is what you want, and it works for you it could be very effective.

But read the experiances and warnings that the genetic males have had in that section before you even think of messing with it. I was tempeted at one point, but my goal is MTA, not MTF. If I recall your other posts, your goal was to regain more normal male hormonal function? If so BO is probabally not what you want.

(If I have made any errors in my comments on this please correct me.)


- JJ

[sp2000]

thanks but I am trying to make sure glandular do work. you are right I am trying to go normal male. There is product Simplex M for males. I want to make sure there is no serious side effects of glandulars. I am not trying to become female.

[sp2000]

Read the BO section in the bio-male section.

. It also seems like the general opinion is that it might push you past a point of no return towards being MTF. If that is what you want, and it works for you it could be very effective.

.

(If I have made any errors in my comments on this please correct me.)


- JJ

Can only glandulares like BO (no herbs added) push you past point of no return?
Again is it possible that a male takes glandulars only,and does not take herbs like Saw palmetto and become like female and go past point of no return?
In other words can BO only (with out any herb) shrink your junk permanently?

I appreciate your time and help.

[HeroinFox]

If you want to stay male, avoid Bovine ovary. try bovine orchic (testicle). like others have stated trying it will determine if it works for you. I took Ovary for a month and had no side effects other than breast growth. the idea is treating like with like. Google adrenal glandular therapy and it will give you studies on how it ISS used to control adrenal issues. I would also recommend taking an adrenal glandular and thyroid glandular.. if you have pituitary issues throw in a pituitary glandular too. I had my best results with 8-10 ovarian pills a day. and 2-4 pituitary, thyroid, and adrenal (each) I would also recommend progesterone cream. it is a mood enhancer and helps balance other hormones. you can not over dose on any of the glandulars or progesterone cream.
IMHO I feel you should apply progesterone cream 2-3 times a day.
take 8-12 bovine orchic daily
take 2-4 adrenal glandulars
2-4 thyroid glandulars
& 2-4 pituitary glandulars

try it for 1 month and decide for yourself. if nothing else you'll be happier and sleep better with the progesterone cream.

if you are older you should consider adding chicken collagen and MSM for joint pain too.

good luck and hoping you find something that works.

[sp2000]

NattyTooty
thank you very much
how long did you use Bovine extract? Have you stopped it? is there any side effects after stopping it? I am scared if I use symplex M it will shut down my hypothalamus and when I stop it , this is when I will feel side effects?
what is your opinion based on personal experience about glandulars about after effects? is there any post usage side effects?
Are you still taking any glandulars?

[HeroinFox]

I took bovine ovary and bovine pituitary for one month. I had no ill side effects after quitting either. again, I think you should take bovine orchic since it has male hormones. bovine ovary helped give me breast growth and if you do not want to grow breast, you should avoid using it.
I am currently taking bovine thyroid, bovine adrenal, bovine placenta. I enjoy the glandulars because they do not give me unwanted side effects. I have been on the adrenal and thyroid for nearly 2 months and placenta for almost a month. the adrenal and thyroid have done wonders for me. I have hardly experienced anxiety or adrenaline rushes since starting them. the thyroid has helped me gain weight/muscle I have struggled with weight gain my entire life and am extremely happy with the results.
I haven't noticed much difference with the placenta yet other than giving me a yeast infection. I will measure myself on the 1st (first day of my cycle) & again on my 30 day Mark of using the placenta to see if I'm getting any results for breast growth.
The progesterone cream/spray really improves my mood and gives me a much more balanced feeling in general and recommend it to everyone.

Glandulars can take up to 3 months to noticed a change, so if you aren't getting immediate results give it time. from what I noticed most people get results pretty fast.

FYI pituitary improves both adrenal and thyroid function while increases oxytocin and prolactin levels. (Not sure if you need help in those areas)

[surferjoe2007]

Does provide a little testosterone, no mention of other hormones: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-stero...trate.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabol...roids.html
Not very well known among bodybuilders and generally thought to be a very minor source of testosterone: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...les_anyone
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/thread...9-Winnibol
http://forums.menshealth.com/topic/63643...8175525993
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...=108357231
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...les_anyone
It's considered "old school" in that bodybuilders used to like it but it has fallen on the wayside to stronger options, like pure testosterone which you already tried. So yeah it may work a little... for muscle and testosterone.


The big question is does it increase FSH + LH, which are important to ball size. Whereas testosterone will shrink your balls by reducing your own production. For FSH+LH. you would want pituatary extract. Here is a study on temporary help of hypo-pituatary from pituatary extract:
http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showt...opituirary
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010970
If anything you should probably get pituitary gland extract, however if it's anything like the bovine orchic then it is probably a small effect.

The second question is dosage. I think the typical dose for bovine ovary extract is 2,000-2,500 mg. Not sure how much bovine orchic extract or statuary extract is good but that at least gives you a ball park. I have seen various supplements carrying 1,000-2,000 mg so you at least know that's not an overdose. Standard process orchic has about 200 mg and recommends 3 a day, so it sounds like a rip off. Symplex M has 45 mg bovine orchic extract and 10 mg bovine pituatary extract and recommends 4 a day. Likewise sounds like a rip off.

In short I think bovine orchic will work... much like a weaker version of the testosterone you were already taking. Good for muscle and maleness, bad for your balls. Bovine pituitary is the more likely way to go, but still with a pretty small effect. Standard Process orchic or pituatary OTOH is likely to be completely worthless due to the dose.

This isn't unknown territory. You can read and read about actual users rather than users here taking something somewhat related. It is unpopular among recent bodybuilders for a reason, and even old school bodybuilders used huge amounts for a reason. Now their typical drug solutions for shrunken balls include aromatase inhibitor drugs, SERMs (anti-estrogen) drugs and HCG (hormone that imitates LH). Their typical herbal solutions are 100:1 tongkat ali extract and Testofen which is highly concentrated fenugreek extract. If they test high for prolactin then there are dopamine drugs or for herbs there is vitex. They know full well that testosterone aka steroids shrinks their testicles not enlarges them. Which is why they resort to these solutions. And testosterone is made in the testicles, so that's not the organ you want. You can read thousands of examples of these in their forums. Personally I've made my balls literally 10 times larger with herbs, along with associated testosterone effects and other male effects. All of the listed drugs are dangerous btw and shouldn't be used carelessly or they could quickly cause permanent damage in most people. Ideally you get a doctor's prescription for any drug. The herbs listed are usually totally harmless. Bovine glandulars are likely to be safe because even though it has the same hormones as the drugs it is a low amount so you are unlikely to overdose.

[sp2000]

I took bovine ovary and bovine pituitary for one month. I had no ill side effects after quitting either. again, I think you should take bovine orchic since it has male hormones. bovine ovary helped give me breast growth and if you do not want to grow breast, you should avoid using it.
I am currently taking bovine thyroid, bovine adrenal, bovine placenta. I enjoy the glandulars because they do not give me unwanted side effects. I have been on the adrenal and thyroid for nearly 2 months and placenta for almost a month. the adrenal and thyroid have done wonders for me. I have hardly experienced anxiety or adrenaline rushes since starting them. the thyroid has helped me gain weight/muscle I have struggled with weight gain my entire life and am extremely happy with the results.
I haven't noticed much difference with the placenta yet other than giving me a yeast infection. I will measure myself on the 1st (first day of my cycle) & again on my 30 day Mark of using the placenta to see if I'm getting any results for breast growth.
The progesterone cream/spray really improves my mood and gives me a much more balanced feeling in general and recommend it to everyone.

Glandulars can take up to 3 months to noticed a change, so if you aren't getting immediate results give it time. from what I noticed most people get results pretty fast.

FYI pituitary improves both adrenal and thyroid function while increases oxytocin and prolactin levels. (Not sure if you need help in those areas)

thanks for the help.
No I am not going to take any ovary extract. I was just asking this to have some idea since ovary extract and testicle extract both should work the same way (I mean ovary for woman and testicle for man).
May I ask why are you taking so many glandulars if your main concern was to grow breasts. I am thinking to try Symplex M.

[sp2000]

Does provide a little testosterone, no mention of other hormones: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-stero...trate.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabol...roids.html
Not very well known among bodybuilders and generally thought to be a very minor source of testosterone: http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...les_anyone
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/thread...9-Winnibol
http://forums.menshealth.com/topic/63643...8175525993
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...=108357231
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_...les_anyone
It's considered "old school" in that bodybuilders used to like it but it has fallen on the wayside to stronger options, like pure testosterone which you already tried. So yeah it may work a little... for muscle and testosterone.


The big question is does it increase FSH + LH, which are important to ball size. Whereas testosterone will shrink your balls by reducing your own production. For FSH+LH. you would want pituatary extract. Here is a study on temporary help of hypo-pituatary from pituatary extract:
http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showt...opituirary
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20010970
If anything you should probably get pituitary gland extract, however if it's anything like the bovine orchic then it is probably a small effect.

The second question is dosage. I think the typical dose for bovine ovary extract is 2,000-2,500 mg. Not sure how much bovine orchic extract or statuary extract is good but that at least gives you a ball park. I have seen various supplements carrying 1,000-2,000 mg so you at least know that's not an overdose. Standard process orchic has about 200 mg and recommends 3 a day, so it sounds like a rip off. Symplex M has 45 mg bovine orchic extract and 10 mg bovine pituatary extract and recommends 4 a day. Likewise sounds like a rip off.

In short I think bovine orchic will work... much like a weaker version of the testosterone you were already taking. Good for muscle and maleness, bad for your balls. Bovine pituitary is the more likely way to go, but still with a pretty small effect. Standard Process orchic or pituatary OTOH is likely to be completely worthless due to the dose.

This isn't unknown territory. You can read and read about actual users rather than users here taking something somewhat related. It is unpopular among recent bodybuilders for a reason, and even old school bodybuilders used huge amounts for a reason. Now their typical drug solutions for shrunken balls include aromatase inhibitor drugs, SERMs (anti-estrogen) drugs and HCG (hormone that imitates LH). Their typical herbal solutions are 100:1 tongkat ali extract and Testofen which is highly concentrated fenugreek extract. If they test high for prolactin then there are dopamine drugs or for herbs there is vitex. They know full well that testosterone aka steroids shrinks their testicles not enlarges them. Which is why they resort to these solutions. And testosterone is made in the testicles, so that's not the organ you want. You can read thousands of examples of these in their forums. Personally I've made my balls literally 10 times larger with herbs, along with associated testosterone effects and other male effects. All of the listed drugs are dangerous btw and shouldn't be used carelessly or they could quickly cause permanent damage in most people. Ideally you get a doctor's prescription for any drug. The herbs listed are usually totally harmless. Bovine glandulars are likely to be safe because even though it has the same hormones as the drugs it is a low amount so you are unlikely to overdose.

surferjoe2007
thanks. I am confused about funegreek seeds. I remember I read a study that funegreek seeds destroy balls of rats.