[Edtar]

Well, I finally had time to read all the replies. I don't have time to respond to them all. So I'll try to address some main themes here.

I did have a change of heart about discussing this with my wife again, this time at a deeper level. To tell the truth, I never felt comfortable with giving her NBE's surreptitiously but I didn't want to admit it. I figured if I stated an ambivalence, everyone would spend all their time trying to talk me out of it. But most did that anyway, though there was some other useful advice.

When I came to this site I didn't think it would be all women. I thought some dudes would be here who thought like me and would help out, since this website is the top link of at least one porn/breast expansion site (that's how I found it).

Anyway, I had a very good conversation with my wife last night. She agreed that she would be willing to try NBE treatments that were safe and had other potential benefits since I convinced her how much it means to me. As I said in a previous post, she already takes maca for stamina. I already like to message her breasts for mutual pleasure but if there are special types of massage, we will try those after we do more reading.

She said her limit would be GG. I'd be fine with that. Since I haven't seen any evidence here, or anywhere else, that NBE will make that sort of change overnight we doubt there is much chance to overshoot by accident. I would send her to this site, but only if I could delete my threads/posts. I know I wouldn't come off well if she read my stuff the way I wrote it.

I do understand how my posts bothered many of you and re-reading them myself, they do come off as selfish. But in reality I love my wife and I do things to please her also that are not easy for me.

While I understand the enmity some show here, I still think much of it is unfair or hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with wanting big breasts to please men. Why not be honest about it? Everyone here says there are such women but nobody wants to admit to being one. It seems some have to give reasons to justify it for themselves that betray insecurity or a bending to societal norms. I can understand wanting to grow them if you're flat to fit better into a dresses but you don't need DD+'s for that - that so many of you list as the goal/dream. Given your admonitions to me, many of you are taking health risks while expending much time and effort that could be better and more healthfully spent on other forms of self-improvement.

I got a kick out of a few responses in particular, like the woman who does it to be a body "sculptor" or the woman who does it for power. While I believe body sculpting is a valid reason, I doubt its all or even most of the reason she does it to the degree she does. Why breasts and why change to go so large? I used to do body building before my accident. You can get much better, faster, and more healthy body sculpting that way even if you're a woman.

The response that bugged me most and seemed most hypocritical was by the woman who said she wanted to enlarge her breasts for "power", like, she alleged men do with their penises. Frankly, big dick waving is more an expression than an actual fact. As I felt forced to admit, I have a large penis but I've never considered it a source of power. While it is an advantage with some women (before my wife) it is of no use to me with my wife since she cannot reach orgasm with penile stimulation alone and it only makes it harder for her to give me a blowjob. I'd be happy with a 6" penis as long as I'm married to her.

Unlike women with nice breasts, most men don't show off their dicks in private. Most men don't know how big the dick is on their friends, neighbors, or coworkers. And since HS locker rooms have changed since I was in HS, its not even a common area of discovery or comparison anymore either. Men who deliberately show off their junk in tight pants are usually the butt of derisive jokes between us men. You ladies can speak for yourselves there but does it give them power over you in any way?

The thing is, I've read stuff about women wanting big breasts for power many times before this one and it always seems hypocritical or vindictive to me. It's often those same women who decry men for "waving their big penises around". Women (and men) rightfully, in my opinion, object to men using aspects of there masculinity to manipulate and control others, which is the essence of the "power" that the woman was referring to. So why is it right for a woman to do the same thing? They're both wrong.

What is power but the ability to manipulate and control? Are you ladies comfortable with women (or men) who seek to manipulate and control based on body parts? Wasn't it the woman's movement that wanted power and influence to be an earned aspect of mental ability and character rather than a province of sex?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[BonitaDDs]

I did have a change of heart about discussing this with my wife again, this time at a deeper level. To tell the truth, I never felt comfortable with giving her NBE's surreptitiously but I didn't want to admit it. I figured if I stated an ambivalence, everyone would spend all their time trying to talk me out of it. But most did that anyway, though there was some other useful advice.

When I came to this site I didn't think it would be all women. I thought some dudes would be here who thought like me and would help out, since this website is the top link of at least one porn/breast expansion site (that's how I found it).

Anyway, I had a very good conversation with my wife last night. She agreed that she would be willing to try NBE treatments that were safe and had other potential benefits since I convinced her how much it means to me. As I said in a previous post, she already takes maca for stamina. I already like to message her breasts for mutual pleasure but if there are special types of massage, we will try those after we do more reading.

She said her limit would be GG. I'd be fine with that. Since I haven't seen any evidence here, or anywhere else, that NBE will make that sort of change overnight we doubt there is much chance to overshoot by accident. I would send her to this site, but only if I could delete my threads/posts. I know I wouldn't come off well if she read my stuff the way I wrote it.

I do understand how my posts bothered many of you and re-reading them myself, they do come off as selfish. But in reality I love my wife and I do things to please her also that are not easy for me.

While I understand the enmity some show here, I still think much of it is unfair or hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with wanting big breasts to please men. Why not be honest about it? Everyone here says there are such women but nobody wants to admit to being one. It seems some have to give reasons to justify it for themselves that betray insecurity or a bending to societal norms. I can understand wanting to grow them if you're flat to fit better into a dresses but you don't need DD+'s for that - that so many of you list as the goal/dream. Given your admonitions to me, many of you are taking health risks while expending much time and effort that could be better and more healthfully spent on other forms of self-improvement.

I got a kick out of a few responses in particular, like the woman who does it to be a body "sculptor" or the woman who does it for power. While I believe body sculpting is a valid reason, I doubt its all or even most of the reason she does it to the degree she does. Why breasts and why change to go so large? I used to do body building before my accident. You can get much better, faster, and more healthy body sculpting that way even if you're a woman.

The response that bugged me most and seemed most hypocritical was by the woman who said she wanted to enlarge her breasts for "power", like, she alleged men do with their penises. Frankly, big dick waving is more an expression than an actual fact. As I felt forced to admit, I have a large penis but I've never considered it a source of power. While it is an advantage with some women (before my wife) it is of no use to me with my wife since she cannot reach orgasm with penile stimulation alone and it only makes it harder for her to give me a blowjob. I'd be happy with a 6" penis as long as I'm married to her.

Unlike women with nice breasts, most men don't show off their dicks in private. Most men don't know how big the dick is on their friends, neighbors, or coworkers. And since HS locker rooms have changed since I was in HS, its not even a common area of discovery or comparison anymore either. Men who deliberately show off their junk in tight pants are usually the butt of derisive jokes between us men. You ladies can speak for yourselves there but does it give them power over you in any way?

The thing is, I've read stuff about women wanting big breasts for power many times before this one and it always seems hypocritical or vindictive to me. It's often those same women who decry men for "waving their big penises around". Women (and men) rightfully, in my opinion, object to men using aspects of there masculinity to manipulate and control others, which is the essence of the "power" that the woman was referring to. So why is it right for a woman to do the same thing? They're both wrong.

What is power but the ability to manipulate and control? Are you ladies comfortable with women (or men) who seek to manipulate and control based on body parts? Wasn't it the woman's movement that wanted power and influence to be an earned aspect of mental ability and character rather than a province of sex?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I never understand the phrase about cake what else should we do with it?
Well done for talking with your wife and really we aren't all crazy but we are mostly women so obviously you hiding pills is going to upset some people even the dudes.
I think we all have different reasons i dont think breasts give me power i dont want power more like timarie and sculping but i dont want to body build thats not attractive on women i want soft feminine hourglass I want bigger breasts because to me its like a sexual thing I love big breasts and I always wanted some still i want them bigger its not for men well I suppose a little for one man but other men no OK when I'm not alone the looks and stares are funny when I am alone its makes me nervous I have had strange men follow me many times.
Why do you want her with bigger breasts?

[Edtar]

Well done for talking with your wife and really we aren't all crazy but we are mostly women so obviously you hiding pills is going to upset some people even the dudes.
I think we all have different reasons i dont think breasts give me power i dont want power more like timarie and sculping but i dont want to body build thats not attractive on women i want soft feminine hourglass I want bigger breasts because to me its like a sexual thing I love big breasts and I always wanted some still i want them bigger its not for men well I suppose a little for one man but other men no OK when I'm not alone the looks and stares are funny when I am alone its makes me nervous I have had strange men follow me many times.
Why do you want her with bigger breasts?

Bonita,

Thanks for the congrats.

I'm pretty much going to excerpt here what I said in my PM to you where you asked me the same question. That way, others can chime in if they want.

Asking a man why he is obsessed with big boobs is like asking a foot fetishist why they like feet or, I would argue, why heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex and homosexuals the same sex.

I don't know what combination of nature and nurture led to my longings. Could it be that I was breast fed by a mother with large breasts? I don't know. All I know is I've had an intense attraction for big boobs since I was 12. My sexual excitement and the strength of my orgasms has always been much stronger with big-breasted woman than small. I can't explain why. If I could change it I would. I don't like being so fixated on one thing - though I love butts too that match the boob curve. But fortunately my wife loves the attention I pay to them. Not all women do.

For me, there's no "too big". I can't even admit to my wife that I'm attracted to women with grotesquely large breasts - people who are literally freaks of nature. Rationally, I know those women look downright ridiculous. But I'm attracted just the same.

I don't want my wife to look ridiculous but since she's so tall, her boobs don't look as big as they would on a smaller woman. Moreover, she used to have larger boobs before our kids were born, so they are a little shrunk. Maybe I should have mentioned that in the thread.

So for me, its a completely subconscious sexual thing. Do you have any idea why you want big breasts? It's hard to imagine its for the same reason as me, unless you can be highly sexually attracted to your own body parts.

I wonder if some women can get addicted to making their breasts larger, sort of like anorexia in reverse. Many of the threads here make breast enlargement sound almost ritualistic - as is the case with many addictions. Is there competition here among the women too?

[deleted] I spoke with a therapist about my breast fetishism years ago (I was undergoing treatment for PTSD after my tour in Iraq). He told me it was a natural occurrence and that there is no known treatment for it, just like you can't change a homosexual person to become attracted to the opposite sex.

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[rateset]

While I understand the enmity some show here, I still think much of it is unfair or hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with wanting big breasts to please men. Why not be honest about it?

it is one thing to want and like big breasts, nothing new or strange about that, BUT IT IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT THING TO GIVE SOMEONE PILLS TO ENLARGE THEIR BREASTS WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT. And they shouldn't know about it, because they don't not want it. THAT IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT THING


don't try to present it as something harmless, your FIRST intention was doing bodily harm and criminal.

now you changed your first intention from secretly filling her, to asking for her consent. still, that people like you walk free outside..

[Edtar]

but i dont want to body build thats not attractive on women i want soft feminine hourglass ..

I forgot to address this. When I did bodybuilding I used to work out with and help some women with theirs. You would be amazed how much sculpting you can do through body building that preserves the softness and enhances curves. You don't have to take the route of the tough hard looking female bodybuilders you so often see in magazines. You can also do a lot to lift and widen the breast though it won't increase breast mass above the muscle, of course, which is mostly fat and connective tissue.

I miss doing bodybuilding as it was a great way to keep fit and strong and get endorphin high. I am hoping that physical therapy will eventually get me to the point I can do it again on my whole body.

[timarie]

While I understand the enmity some show here, I still think much of it is unfair or hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with wanting big breasts to please men. Why not be honest about it? Everyone here says there are such women but nobody wants to admit to being one. It seems some have to give reasons to justify it for themselves that betray insecurity or a bending to societal norms. I can understand wanting to grow them if you're flat to fit better into a dresses but you don't need DD+'s for that - that so many of you list as the goal/dream. Given your admonitions to me, many of you are taking health risks while expending much time and effort that could be better and more healthfully spent on other forms of self-improvement.

I got a kick out of a few responses in particular, like the woman who does it to be a body "sculptor" or the woman who does it for power. While I believe body sculpting is a valid reason, I doubt its all or even most of the reason she does it to the degree she does. Why breasts and why change to go so large? I used to do body building before my accident. You can get much better, faster, and more healthy body sculpting that way even if you're a woman.

The response that bugged me most and seemed most hypocritical was by the woman who said she wanted to enlarge her breasts for "power", like, she alleged men do with their penises. Frankly, big dick waving is more an expression than an actual fact. As I felt forced to admit, I have a large penis but I've never considered it a source of power. While it is an advantage with some women (before my wife) it is of no use to me with my wife since she cannot reach orgasm with penile stimulation alone and it only makes it harder for her to give me a blowjob. I'd be happy with a 6" penis as long as I'm married to her.

I see my willingness to understand is wasted on the ignorant.

"I doubt its all or even most of the reason she does it to the degree she does. Why breasts and why change to go so large?"
How about you ask her then, what she does in her body sculpting? Instead of ASSUMING that she only tries to grow her breasts and grow them "so large"? My goal, dear sir, is a 32D, and I am currently a 32C. That 32D is a cup size equivalent to a cup A on your wife's 38 band. Too big now? Given what you wrote earlier, certainly not. I actually like to keep my unique figure (a fuller bottomed, smaller-topped body frame) and accentuate it, because as I said, I like to embellish or as we all should try to fulfill our greatest potentials. And don't bash other girl's dreams on this forum either of DD's because, on their smaller band widths, it is like a B or at most a C on your wife, so you can cut all of these girls a break. http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=14862

"I used to do body building before my accident. You can get much better, faster, and more healthy body sculpting that way even if you're a woman."
Haha! Of all people you wrote this to ME?!? My girls on this forum would laugh. I actually DO body building. I feel ridiculous for even defending myself and saying this to you, as it was never your place in the first place to assume that I didn't. I actually wouldn't be surprised if I lift more than you, sir, but that is beyond the point. Some of my girls on this site don't like my body building, but that is what makes me unique and is a part of my sculpting. I just don't like plastic surgery, and that is where I cross the line. But I do all else. http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=14868

I would be ashamed, if I were you, for making assumptions about people that you do not know. How presumptuous of you. And you cannot even say in response to this "well people made assumptions of me" yes, people did, but if you are going to do tit-for-tat, it would only be fair game if you did it with the people who actually DID jump the gun on you! I was very fair in my writing to you and made no crazy emotional accusations, nor displayed the enmity of which you speak. And then you turn around and make accusations of me, which is strange. You are bitter and taking it out now on anyone, but most especially those who you do not understand. I AM being honest when I say I am not doing it for men. I don't NEED men, or their attention. I have had quite enough of it already, am tired of it, and cannot maintain any healthy friendships with any men because of it. Boobs are for ME!!!!!!!!!!! You'd be surprised at how many women on this forum are gorgeous. And I believe Tibetan when she says she does it for power. In all of my many writings with her, I have never heard or seen mention of a man in her life, so it is safe to say she probably could care less about attracting men. Plus, she is extremely beautiful as well.

So, some things to learn from this post: 1) Ask before making accusations. This is a life lesson most learn early on in grade school but not everyone has the capacity to practice this simple rule 2) Be polite to those who are polite to you, and give respect to those who give you respect. This is kind of a common sense rule, that all unselfish people understand and practice on the regular. 3) Respect everyone, as you never know what a person's "entire story" is. I apologize that you were not entirely respected by others on this thread, but it was explained the reason for the obvious sensitivity.

EDIT: I mentioned the one that I love in my previous post, as he does not like large breasts. This is true. I want bigger (not large) breasts for ME. Now, if he enjoys the size increase (which I am sure an extra cup size will not be too large for him and he would enjoy that), it would be an extra perk. But even if he weren't in the picture and if I was dating a man who wanted me to SHRINK my breasts, I would still be doing this. Therefore, it is for me. It may be difficult for you to believe but it is true. I want to look in the mirror and see a certain shape in my dresses, and whatnot. And, furthermore about the one I love, he supports me in whatever I want but I cannot tell you how many times he moans "when are you going to be done with this NBE stuff? It's really not that important, is it?" so even the little perk of him enjoying the results isn't even really there because he's rather me enjoy life than spend time on this, haha. There are so many different kinds of people out there, you wouldn't believe it to be true. This is why I did not jump the gun to assume you were a pig, or that your wife would even be hurt by the idea. I have seen so many different kinds of couples that my horizons have been broadened to the point where I know to NEVER assume anything. Please do not make negative assumptions on the women you cannot understand. Big boobs are not just for attracting men! So yeah, lesson be learned to respect people for their choices, even if you don't understand them. This goes for everyone!

[timarie]

but i dont want to body build thats not attractive on women i want soft feminine hourglass ..

I forgot to address this. When I did bodybuilding I used to work out with and help some women with theirs. You would be amazed how much sculpting you can do through body building that preserves the softness and enhances curves. You don't have to take the route of the tough hard looking female bodybuilders you so often see in magazines. You can also do a lot to lift and widen the breast though it won't increase breast mass above the muscle, of course, which is mostly fat and connective tissue.

...But I do owe a "thank you" for this ^^ as so many of my girls on this forum tell me this all the time and completely misunderstand the point of body building, and really all I am doing is changing my shape. I am incredibly soft. haha. More drastic curves are obtained with muscle, that fat alone cannot achieve. No matter how much they are told though, and shown photos, no one can get the old stereotype out of their minds! So I gave up But thanks for being another voice on this...

[Edtar]

don't try to present it as something harmless, your FIRST intention was doing bodily harm and criminal.

Baloney. Go back and read my first post. I said it had to be safe.

Add to that the claims made in many threads here, that some NBEs have other beneficial side effects and the effect can be positive

[TibetanPrincess]

"While I understand the enmity some show here, I still think much of it is unfair or hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with wanting big breasts to please men. Why not be honest about it? Everyone here says there are such women but nobody wants to admit to being one. It seems some have to give reasons to justify it for themselves that betray insecurity or a bending to societal norms. I can understand wanting to grow them if you're flat to fit better into a dresses but you don't need DD+'s for that - that so many of you list as the goal/dream. Given your admonitions to me, many of you are taking health risks while expending much time and effort that could be better and more healthfully spent on other forms of self-improvement."

Actually, I need to correct you here. I can say its "icing on the cake" to have larger breasts when it comes to men and possibly pleasing them but that's just it; possibly. You know why? Because the simple fact is, that many men don't care for large breasts and there is a percentage that does not like large breasts period. I have met many of them. I had someone I was really into and he did not large breasts, mine were a b cup then. I felt like "If he doesn't like them, he will soon not like me and that's just fine. Move on..."
And we both moved on.... He liked his gals plain and skinny. Thats fine but its truly not my body type. I realized I needed to fined a man who can appreciate a curvy latin woman. I have no control over my body type, its what I was born with. The reason why most women have high goals with the exception of some (those who do infact have a complex) is that, its barely creating balance. In order for my body to be the same top to bottom, my breasts need to catch up to a measurement of 36.25" which is an E cup on me. So thats where that comes from for many of us. You obviously do not know that a balanced hour glass is what many of us are striving for. And no one cares to shrink their asses. Thats too much work and more unnatural.



"I got a kick out of a few responses in particular, like the woman who does it to be a body "sculptor" or the woman who does it for power. While I believe body sculpting is a valid reason, I doubt its all or even most of the reason she does it to the degree she does. Why breasts and why change to go so large? I used to do body building before my accident. You can get much better, faster, and more healthy body sculpting that way even if you're a woman."

Again, you put your foot in your mouth, you talk like you know, but the fact is, you don't know what you are talking about. Timarie is a woman who loves sculpting her body and by that I mean, she works out more than the average gal. That's upper body, lower body and God only knows what else she does to maintain that great muscle tone and SCULPTED figure. Its hard work and most of us gals couldn't keep up with that kind of routine. But SHE does, and she's got a man who loves her body as it is, so I can see, shes doing it to fulfill her desires as being HER ideal woman, the best version of herself. Its about HER perspective not anyone else's. So yes, there is a sense power there, one she is in control of and not anyone else. She was building muscle before the boobs were even a project, so don't make an ass out of yourself by simply assuming.

"The response that bugged me most and seemed most hypocritical was by the woman who said she wanted to enlarge her breasts for "power", like, she alleged men do with their penises. Frankly, big dick waving is more an expression than an actual fact. As I felt forced to admit, I have a large penis but I've never considered it a source of power. While it is an advantage with some women (before my wife) it is of no use to me with my wife since she cannot reach orgasm with penile stimulation alone and it only makes it harder for her to give me a blowjob. I'd be happy with a 6" penis as long as I'm married to her.

Unlike women with nice breasts, most men don't show off their dicks in private. Most men don't know how big the dick is on their friends, neighbors, or coworkers. And since HS locker rooms have changed since I was in HS, its not even a common area of discovery or comparison anymore either. Men who deliberately show off their junk in tight pants are usually the butt of derisive jokes between us men. You ladies can speak for yourselves there but does it give them power over you in any way?

The thing is, I've read stuff about women wanting big breasts for power many times before this one and it always seems hypocritical or vindictive to me. It's often those same women who decry men for "waving their big penises around". Women (and men) rightfully, in my opinion, object to men using aspects of there masculinity to manipulate and control others, which is the essence of the "power" that the woman was referring to. So why is it right for a woman to do the same thing? They're both wrong.

What is power but the ability to manipulate and control? Are you ladies comfortable with women (or men) who seek to manipulate and control based on body parts? Wasn't it the woman's movement that wanted power and influence to be an earned aspect of mental ability and character rather than a province of sex?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Okay, you've seem to steer over to some land of the lost, and are dead wrong here. You know damn well, that penis size is a very touchy subject with most men, or else, there wouldn't be so many NATURAL penis enhancement forums. I highly doubt most do it to fit their clothing like women do (which has always been part of my reason here). Many want to please their women (they have insecurity with that and that's understandable). The other reason is for power, not the kind to rule the world, lol! Which is what you seem to take it as.

As I have stated, there are many bitches with large cans here! I would be in that pool, just the same. As far as "Power" Its a kind of power that is held by the person as an individual. Since I can only really speak for myself to this depth here, I will say, this power for me, I feel it is a kind of thriving aspect about myself, being in existence, feeling like a very fertile woman and looking it, rather than withering away, hanging onto a string for dear life, which is the opposite of what I believe God intended. I was in the worst health as an adolescent and it showed as well as into adulthood now. I am still battling this hormone issue. I was going into menopause early at 30! So I value health. There is a kind of sanctity and security here and I have control over it, no one else does.
It may sound strange to you, but that's what it is for me and I can imagine for many of us.

As far as insecurity and men, that left me when I got to a full B cup. So no, its not for the menfolk (my reason for goaling an E cup) All those memories of being teased by girls and boys. It went as far as my height. I was always younger looking than all the others. So, it wasn't just "boobs insecurity" here, it was a human insecurity. It was about everything I was. And it was all related to health and perspective, my health and my perspective, no one else's.

So there you go, keep assuming, and you'll end up like you have been, making your self sound like an ass and a selfish individual.

[prettylily]

I can understand wanting to grow them if you're flat to fit better into a dresses but you don't need DD+'s for that

Smaller bands look small even higher up the alphabet. http://www.brabandproject.com/gallery/search/band/28/ And for me, at least, it'd be nice to just be able to wear bras in one of the more conventional band sizes.

Many of the threads here make breast enlargement sound almost ritualistic

Of course. You won't get anywhere if you don't make it part of your routine.

You can also do a lot to lift and widen the breast though it won't increase breast mass above the muscle, of course, which is mostly fat and connective tissue.

Well, that's the crux of the problem, isn't it? I want more breast tissue. I'm trying to exercise, too, but I doubt that will bump me up very much.

Add to that the claims made in many threads here, that some NBEs have other beneficial side effects and the effect can be positive

It goes either way. I can't think of a method (besides hypnosis?) that doesn't have the potential to go badly. The chances would be even higher if the person didn't know to keep an eye out for symptoms.