[djt-d]

Hi
After reading one of Doll's threads re hypothyrodism and herbs, although she said she was still learning, it was mentioned that estrogen herbs won't/may not work if you suffer with hypothrodism as it causes estrogen dominance. She kindly informed me about progestrone only, but I am in the UK and my health shop doesn't sell progestrone cream.
As Doll is still learning about this herself, and I didn't want to take over her thread I thought I would create this one (and hopefully it will help Doll as well).
Is it correct that having hypothyrodism we should be looking at taking progestrone ONLY herbs? If so, apart from progestrone cream, what other progestrone herbs are there?
Also, I'm sure I've seen that having thryoid problems and taking herbs can actually make your breasts smaller (I'm sure I was sent a link through a thread, but I didn't have time to read straightaway and now I can't find it) - has anyone else seen this, can anyone post the link again?
Many thanks, and sorry for the long post.

[BonitaDDs]

I remember seeing UK company selling natural progesterone cream online. otherwise massage and topical herbs could work try flaxseed oil with a little fenugreek oil its slight phytoestrogen but mostly swells breast by increasing prolactins

[djt-d]

Thanks Bonita
I only know of Holland & Barrett, but I'll have a look online.
I tried FSO and really feel that this was the reason I lost my growth/fullness. Everything was going great and after a few weeks of using the FSO it gradually all went (and hasn't come back).

[justalittlemore]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

[TibetanPrincess]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

weird! I stopped my T3/4 dose and I have no more hair loss or sweats! I also started growing in the breasts again. I have no Idea if it was because of this or coincidence but I am feeling alot better. I am on a hashis protocol to level out my antibody reaction and I am now a C cup from a full A. Slow growth but I believe it is real.

I am with you on stabilizing levels and addressing these issues first.

[justalittlemore]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

weird! I stopped my T3/4 dose and I have no more hair loss or sweats! I also started growing in the breasts again. I have no Idea if it was because of this or coincidence but I am feeling alot better. I am on a hashis protocol to level out my antibody reaction and I am now a C cup from a full A. Slow growth but I believe it is real.

I am with you on stabilizing levels and addressing these issues first.

I switched from a synthetic T3/T4 to a natural one. I only had symtoms like that when I took the synthetics. I've tried both, and I respond much better to the natural thyroid hormone. There are some Hashis cases where patients can eventually stop meds and everything normalizes. Unfortunately, that's not me.

Because, I think, thyroid hormone is crucial to all other systems and functions of the body, it must be at a stable level before attempting NBE. There's a set of twins where I work, and one was dx'ed as hypo-t at a very young age. He is physically smaller than his brother, and developed later. This confirmed my suspicion that HGH won't be produced in sufficient quantities for NBE unless thyroid levels are as good as you can get them.

I remembered reading something about hypo-t making you estrogen dominant when I was gathering info and driving my program. That may be why I chose predominately phyto-progestins, which have worked quite well.

[TibetanPrincess]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

weird! I stopped my T3/4 dose and I have no more hair loss or sweats! I also started growing in the breasts again. I have no Idea if it was because of this or coincidence but I am feeling alot better. I am on a hashis protocol to level out my antibody reaction and I am now a C cup from a full A. Slow growth but I believe it is real.

I am with you on stabilizing levels and addressing these issues first.

I switched from a synthetic T3/T4 to a natural one. I only had symtoms like that when I took the synthetics. I've tried both, and I respond much better to the natural thyroid hormone. There are some Hashis cases where patients can eventually stop meds and everything normalizes. Unfortunately, that's not me.

Because, I think, thyroid hormone is crucial to all other systems and functions of the body, it must be at a stable level before attempting NBE. There's a set of twins where I work, and one was dx'ed as hypo-t at a very young age. He is physically smaller than his brother, and developed later. This confirmed my suspicion that HGH won't be produced in sufficient quantities for NBE unless thyroid levels are as good as you can get them.

I remembered reading something about hypo-t making you estrogen dominant when I was gathering info and driving my program. That may be why I chose predominately phyto-progestins, which have worked quite well.

Generally thryoid tonics from real tissues aren't at all recommended for any hashis patient until they're antibody count is zero. That is what I am waiting for. I will be doing glandular therapy for it when it gets there.

[justalittlemore]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

weird! I stopped my T3/4 dose and I have no more hair loss or sweats! I also started growing in the breasts again. I have no Idea if it was because of this or coincidence but I am feeling alot better. I am on a hashis protocol to level out my antibody reaction and I am now a C cup from a full A. Slow growth but I believe it is real.

I am with you on stabilizing levels and addressing these issues first.

I switched from a synthetic T3/T4 to a natural one. I only had symtoms like that when I took the synthetics. I've tried both, and I respond much better to the natural thyroid hormone. There are some Hashis cases where patients can eventually stop meds and everything normalizes. Unfortunately, that's not me.

Because, I think, thyroid hormone is crucial to all other systems and functions of the body, it must be at a stable level before attempting NBE. There's a set of twins where I work, and one was dx'ed as hypo-t at a very young age. He is physically smaller than his brother, and developed later. This confirmed my suspicion that HGH won't be produced in sufficient quantities for NBE unless thyroid levels are as good as you can get them.

I remembered reading something about hypo-t making you estrogen dominant when I was gathering info and driving my program. That may be why I chose predominately phyto-progestins, which have worked quite well.

Generally thryoid tonics from real tissues aren't at all recommended for any hashis patient until they're antibody count is zero. That is what I am waiting for. I will be doing glandular therapy for it when it gets there.

I'm on a prescription med made from dried pig thyroid (Natur-Throid). I don't do tonics. My antibody count doesn't go down if I'm undermedicated and/or on synthetics (of which I've tried a few).

BTW, pigs have endocrine systems very similar to ours; the first insulin used to treat diabetics in the 1920s came from pigs. It wasn't until later that we figured out how to make chemically identical human insulin in a laboratory. Pig thyroid was in use for about 50 years before the first synthetic thyroid hormone drug [Synthroid] was developed.

[cataholic]

I've got the opposite of hypothyroidism and am taking FSO. Can anyone tell me what herbs I should use for NBE or avoid? Thanks in advance.

[TibetanPrincess]

I have been hypothyroid (Hashi's) for the past 12 years. I grew on a combination of maca and mostly phyto-progestins: FG, fennel, WY, and turmeric, with some MSM added. (Previously breastfed btw) When I was growing, I was not on bc, though I had the Mirena inserted about five months ago.

My thyroid hormone levels stayed stable during my growth, which I think contributed greatly to my success. If you're hypo and trying NBE, you have to get your levels stable first. If your T3, T4, and TSH aren't where you feel best, you may gain weight, but not in the breasts. I've learned that I can't strictly adhere to lab values, but adjust my dosage by my symptoms. Fortunately, my endocrinologist agrees with me (a rarity). Personally, I need my TSH REALLY low (down in subclinical hyperthyroid territory) to feel human, and I grew medicated at that dose.

weird! I stopped my T3/4 dose and I have no more hair loss or sweats! I also started growing in the breasts again. I have no Idea if it was because of this or coincidence but I am feeling alot better. I am on a hashis protocol to level out my antibody reaction and I am now a C cup from a full A. Slow growth but I believe it is real.

I am with you on stabilizing levels and addressing these issues first.

I switched from a synthetic T3/T4 to a natural one. I only had symtoms like that when I took the synthetics. I've tried both, and I respond much better to the natural thyroid hormone. There are some Hashis cases where patients can eventually stop meds and everything normalizes. Unfortunately, that's not me.

Because, I think, thyroid hormone is crucial to all other systems and functions of the body, it must be at a stable level before attempting NBE. There's a set of twins where I work, and one was dx'ed as hypo-t at a very young age. He is physically smaller than his brother, and developed later. This confirmed my suspicion that HGH won't be produced in sufficient quantities for NBE unless thyroid levels are as good as you can get them.

I remembered reading something about hypo-t making you estrogen dominant when I was gathering info and driving my program. That may be why I chose predominately phyto-progestins, which have worked quite well.

Generally thryoid tonics from real tissues aren't at all recommended for any hashis patient until they're antibody count is zero. That is what I am waiting for. I will be doing glandular therapy for it when it gets there.

I'm on a prescription med made from dried pig thyroid (Natur-Throid). I don't do tonics. My antibody count doesn't go down if I'm undermedicated and/or on synthetics (of which I've tried a few).

BTW, pigs have endocrine systems very similar to ours; the first insulin used to treat diabetics in the 1920s came from pigs. It wasn't until later that we figured out how to make chemically identical human insulin in a laboratory. Pig thyroid was in use for about 50 years before the first synthetic thyroid hormone drug [Synthroid] was developed.

i HAVE TRIED IT WITH NO LUCK I am looking at other brands.