[TibetanPrincess]

So I am supposed to start cycle 9 today but it didnt happen???

This is a first. Maybe Tommorrow. I am feeling all the symptoms. I am bloated in the breasts. I am as big as ever. I have a feeling much will be gone by the time menses start.

No Supps still tired of popping them. SO taking a break here.

A little acne since I stopped the anti andros.

[TibetanPrincess]

last day of lut phase for cycle 8. I put PM topically for a few days and the bloating went down some. so squishy boobs for now.

[TibetanPrincess]

Today seems to be the last day of menses. I am still bigger than I was last month in beginning of cycle 8.

Now in cycle #9. I lost some of that bloat but I am still nice and jiggly. I however have noticed more of an imbalance in the breast area. One breast is bigger than the other! It is more apparent and I have no idea what contributes to this but I have always suspected that my left boob was slightly tuberose by its less round shape compared to the right. So I think it may be the culprit.

I think my size is a nice full B. I haven't pumped in like a month and i am going to keep it this way.

SO I guess I can say I grew back what I lost on topical PM.

[Rosance]

Do you have a preference between topical PM and PC? I am looking for a topical and have not found yet what I would like to give a try

[joyland]

To Malina,
Its been a while since I have logged in. I dont know if I had answered already but the brand I use is kokoro and you can get it on Amazon.

Hello Tibetan!!

First of all.. your journey is amazing! As well as your boobies! And I think you are one of the smarte NBEers out there.. You listen to your body very well and Im really exited to start my program

I have been reading your program very carefully. It was one of the first ones I read here and back then I could hardly understand anything lol.. Show what a fair bit of reading can do haha..

I have quoted your response a few weeks ago to ask you about kokoro.. I thought they only had progesterone creams not pm (may I'm wrong as I am a newbie but isn't PM pueraria mirifica?) the question she asked was about pm.. Just curious

I also have some other questions about your program

I have written your program and what you have chosen to take so far but I haven't seen many quantities.. Do you take quantities as prescribed on the bottle then just add slowly?

Also, I have read from many nooglers with success and found that most o them mix the pumping with bovine ovary.. I read that you want to use it is there any reason why you don't want to yet? I would like to know because my breasts did not develop fully during puberty and I have read a lot about bo helping correct this.. Just wondered if you had any thoughts about it

You are a wonderful inspiration! I hope I can reach your results!

[joyland]

Gosh... Sorry about all my spelling mistakes.. I'm on my iPhone at work which can't cope with my super fast typing lol..

Anyway.. Back to work

[TibetanPrincess]

Rosance,

Eversince I felt no new growth or a plateau, I decided I was good on PC and stopped using it.

That's when I also realized 15 days of topical PM as well as internally did not so much at all for me.

I decided to just do topical PM to see how effective PM is in general and I did it everyday (some days I got lazy).

I saw the changes in as little as 4 days. SO I kept going. I had also noted that I lost a couple pounds recently. I am still there and I am juicing to cleanse out the liver and colon so I can metabolize all those hormone like chemicals that may be stuck and so that I can create overall balance.


Joyland


I decided against using BO because of the possibility of it stimulating the ovaries/overstimulating the pituitary and upping my lutenizing hormone levels. I am already getting enough juice from my ovaries (my problem is in the adrenals and thyroid) so I would hate to over stimulate anything that is working just fine.

I also have high lutenizing hormone levels compared to my follicular stimulating hormone levels. So if this is the case, it may not be best to go this route or at least not yet.

So I held off on BO and I always said I would give PM a serious try. I am sticking with PM topically as it is specifically targeting the areas for growth. I have high estrogen output as it is so I just want to stay away from internal anything for now. As far as doses, I just started out small since I am lower body weight and adjusted up when I felt I should.

I think for someone like you, it would be beneficial to do both pumping and BO since you never developed correctly.


However, I do wish to try PM and BO internally in the future. I wanted to stop pumping because I want to know where the growth is coming from.

[TibetanPrincess]

Update for Cycle 9: I am still in Fol. phase and I have lost a bit from last cycle's swell but I have to say, they are looking better.
I am still detoxing and happy to report my waist is back to slightly under 24"! I lost an inch. I have more of an hourglass. Areolas are now flattening.

Measurements now:

33.5" about
24" just under neath
34.5 just underneath


I will think about doing aminos again. I am still a B cup and my left breast is still noticeably smaller. One day, she'll catch up.
hopefully.

I noticed the shape is more plump and the tops are the ones that have more meat. so its small changes.

[wetTshirt]

Wow! I am really impressed with your knowledge/ progress! Thank you for sharing here. It can be intimidating embarking on nbe, and getting to read others' experiences really helps!

I've been noogling for a month and a half, or so, and recently decided to add some herbs. I've taken SP in the past for anti-androgenic effect, and fenugreek, with no ill effects, but neither for nbe, or a prolonged period.

I think I may be a tiny bit estrogen dominant/ progesterone deficient, but I got over excited and decided to try cycling PM with PC. WELL...only five days into PM, and I was experiencing major ED symptoms. Ick! We're talking nausea, lightheadedness, wooziness- aweful! I decided this morning not to take it. I couldn't sleep last night, headache all day....

My question, I guess, is: Do you think I should just try PC, and cycle with that? I have classic androgen issues, so I'd love to take SP, as well. Also wondering if it would be ok to use PM topically, once I've cycled with PC to balance out. I figure I could tincture what I have, so it doesn't waste.

I've always been generally good with figuring out how to care for my body, but with nbe, I am absolutely stymied!

My apologies for loading so many questions! You just seem like the right person to ask! Please help....??

[TibetanPrincess]

Hi Wet T,

Thank you! by the way, I am much like you. Fenugreek and lic root made me feel the same way. If you read my program, you'll see I felt good taking the following:

-white peony root/pygeum bark for adrogen dominance
-fennel is good for insulin resistance
-PC cream topically to balance out estrogen dominance issue.

I think you should dig deeper in why you are estrogen dominant if you haven't yet. If you really think about it, since hormones are created from the same sources, you can really run into endless loops here by taking too much of one thing.

My advice to you is focus on antiandrogen herbs right now as you will see its pointless to do NBE by being androgen dominant (this is estrogen dom. included).
Many women including myself had seen many feminizing effects(balance) from using anti androgens alone.

So get on some really effective yet gentle anti androgens, eat your leafy greens to metabolize these hormones (DIM) and then test your hormones and take it from there. You will run into less trouble here, trust me. And when the time is right to add your nbe program, it will give you far better results on your journey.

Goodluck with it.