[MadameBusty]

Measuring a tiny bit over 41 1/4 inches today!   I tried on my favourite wireless lounging bra today and it's definitely time to retire it(throw it out) as I'm getting very much "bum cleavage" and squished it looks awful! so that's 3 or so bras now that are too small. I've been keeping up with absolutely everything in my routine including 5 drops of 1:1 ratio red clover tincture per areola/nipple massaged in and adding alil to the top of my less fuller bust, as you can see and as I've said before I am very full up top/have lots of breast tissue up top, both fortunately and unfortunately, unfortunately because it means certain cuts/styles of bras just will not work as I will spill out but that's just the way my boobs are just as some girls are very bottom heavy breast wise lacking fullness up top. I've been looking back at fullerbust brands like Pour Moi, Panache, and even some of Ann summers, and I think for sure the next bra I buy it will be in a 32GG/30H as some of my current 32G/30GG bras are too small now. My new herbal oil infusion with EOs for massage is currently on day 4 of cold infusion shaking thoroughly once a day, I plan to infuse this for atleast 3 weeks and in the meantime using my current diy oil as the only major difference is lack of nutmeg oil in the new batch.

[MadameBusty]

I forgot to say I have my annual appointment with my endocrinologist in Sydney in 5 days for more bio identical estrogen pellet implants to be put in my abdomen, normally I get alil emotionally wound up when I am due but with my NBE things have been extremely stable emotion wise 
On that note I don't want to make my thread about politics but I am praying for all my little sisters over in America right now, having been a trans child who transitioned pre puberty(hrt) I cannot imagine having had gone through irreversible male puberty having to get so many surgeries and any facial work done just to pass because of testosterone damage, I am truly saddened for all the lil girls over there who are faced with now going through something so horrifying as the wrong puberty and having to get inevitable surgeries besides just SRS because of that, I'm very much in the middle politically for most things as I see bad things on both sides especially in America unlike here in Australia as I know there are lots of disingenuous cases but believe me there are lots of genuine cases too, so this is truly a scary thing happening over there right now, if you are reading this and are a parent of genuine trans youth or know someone who is I hope everyone stays strong and focused on spreading love.
I won't touch on the topic again as I know everyone has their right to their own political views we can't all be the same.
So off that topic, I wish everyone well and a great year coming of lots of NBE growth!   I hope for this forum to pick up engagement again in the future coming as it used to be such a lively place back in the day!

[blueseltzer]

your pics are great! thanks for sharing! congrats on all the growth!

I’m continuing my Evebra low pressure pump routine. i added volufiline to my moisturizing cream and also am taking a few different bee pollen products with my protein smoothies during the day. I’m hopeful! your posts help a lot! 

love from the USA

[MadameBusty]

Thank you Blueseltzer you are always so sweet!   
I just got back from North Sydney from my endocrinologist appointment getting my 200mg bio identical estrogen pellets put in again, my levels were all great they were as follows
Oestradiol 1311 pmol/L
Progesterone 35.0 nmol/L
Testosterone 0.7 nmol/L
SHGB 102 nmol/L
Prolactin 533 mIU/L(alil high but he explained this can happen from stress which I do suffer from anxiety and have had some flare ups over the last few months)
Keep in mind my estrogen is normally higher than this, this is simply due to the fact I was due for my pellets so estrogen was alil lower than it normally is.
I now don't need to get more put in for 12 months 
I actually asked him out of curiousity about Domperidone(I'm absolutely not interested in it however was curious)
He explained that some of his patients are on it due to wanting to lactate and it can result in alil bit more fullness but that with high enough prolactin levels that you lactate it's not permanent growth for most like estrogen/progesterone breast growth as just like with breastfeeding women as soon as prolactin goes down again so do the added fullness for alot of people, personally I absolutely do NOT want to lactate I find the idea to make me uncomfortable as I'm not a mother so no point but I get for some it may be something they want it takes all kinds to make up the world after all but I'm just putting it out there that using Domperidone for permanent growth is probably not ideal in alot of people.

Also Ive officially grown out of yet another bra, this one is so painful to wear now and leaves indents on my boobs, so when I get paid I will be buying 32GG/30H bras now! 

[blueseltzer]

I also take my own estrogen, progesterone and some testosterone. I’m over 50 and don’t produce enough of my own!

my levels are on different units here in the USA so i spent some time on a conversion calculator and figured out:

My estrogen is about 65% of yours
My testosterone is about 25% of yours

Everything else you tested I don’t have records for on my side.  

I can supplement my T with testosterone gel, but I’m not doing that during my NBE. For me having T helps with sleep and in the bedroom, but those two things seem good for me without supplement at the moment. So my T level is low for a woman my age. My test result lists a range for premenopausal women that I’m not quite to the lower cut off for right now. I think as long as I’m not having other negative effects of low T, that i’ll keep it low for now for NBE i guess. 

I considered domperidone and i saw others who posted about mild use to kinda half lactate in cycles and grow your boobs that way. Like kinda using the milk production size like pumping size kinda? I think the idea was half lactate for size and let the fat grow in like low pressure long term vac and then repeat? I don’t know who the user was who tried that, i think i read it on reddit. I could only find one person though and they were also pumping and taking other supplements, so to me that was inconclusive. 

All other data i could find (other than this one story) was that lactation size went away when you stopped lactating, so i didn’t try it with domperidone. I did do about 10 weeks of induction with a breast milk pump about a year ago. I got a little size boost, but it went away. Pumping without supplemental prolactin was really hard and super time consuming. 

i’ll look into the estrogen implants you have and i also have a yearly endocrinologist appointment soon. I’m so used to injecting weekly now though for the last couple years and i like the control because i can self hack it pretty easily. My doctor has me at a target estrogen of about half of yours now. I wonder if that’s because of my age? I’ve self hacked it up a little bit for NBE. 

I wish womens health were more understood and that standard levels were easier to get prescribed! A bunch of my girlfriends who are also my age have a heck of a time getting prescribed blood tests and hormones because dosing for women my age is gatekept pretty hard here in the US. I’m one of the few of my friend group of other women in their 50s who can even get blood tests without like a huge fight with their doctor. 

congrats on growing into new bras! i have new bras arriving today actually too. i ordered just a tad bigger than my current size and i’m hopeful i’ll grow into em!

[MadameBusty]

Thanks for the congrats lovely! X Also yes I definitely recommend the bio identical pellet implants! They are the only route of hrt that gives a constant release straight into the system all other methods give peaks and lows(especially injections as I'm sure you know tend to give some mood swings for this reason due to extreme highs and lows when due etc) injections are also synthetic hormones just like brand name pills etc, my best friend is unfortunately in a country where hrt isn't exactly great so she's just on pills similar to progynova, no progesterone either, I'm trying to get her away from the synthetic stuff as there's so many side effects and long term bio identical is much kinder to the body with a higher tendency for better effects.
Keep in mind you are a natal woman so hormones do work alil differently in you albeit even though I've been on hrt since a kid and I am post op for many years so don't produce any testosterone/am not on any blockers, just the micro amounts our adrenals make.
Ahhh I'm excited for you! Buying a goal bra to fill and slowly see yourself fitting into more and more is always exciting 
Yes that's exactly true about what you've read about Domperidone alot of the time the "growth" is not permanent with lactating high prolactin hence why I canned alot of my prolactin stimulating herbs a while back such as goats rue and blessed thistle etc and focused more on estrogenic and progestogenic herbs.
I definitely recommend you to try out dong quai btw! We are both on hrt and I have to say I have never been more stable mood wise as I am on dong quai it really is an incredible herb so grounding and tends to favour progesterone alil more in some but mostly balancing everything.
It's actually 3am here I crashed early when I got home from the 4 hour trip, I am in lil to no pain in the procedure site as usual from my pellets. I best get some beauty sleep   goodnight!

[MadameBusty]

Measuring 41 1/2 inches today at fullest part of bust! So an extra 1/4 of an inch, keep in mind this could possibly be a tiny bit of swelling(for now) due to having a rise in estrogen from my bio estrogen pellets I just got implanted again in my abdomen yesterday, I did make sure to do my usual 10/15 minute massage with my DIY herbal oil last night though and applying 5 drops 1:1 ratio red clover tincture per nipple/areola(plus a few drops on the top of my less full bust) as I do every day/night. My breasts were soooo achey and on fire last night so I made sure to massage them as sometimes that can even help(or potentially make them ache more lol)
I'm looking at buying the Panache Allure Full Cup Bra in white for my first 32GG bra as I have the black balconette version and loved it it's so beautiful but as I've said it doesn't fit any more and leaves me in pain, for now I guess I will go braless till atleast that one arrives as the bras I have are too small as I've said.

[blueseltzer]

Congrats as well on the new bra sizes! there is an epidemic of boob growth and new bras going around the forum today. I also got some new sizes I’ll write up tomorrow when i post an update on my own personal program thread!

Re hormones I take estradiol valerate as an injection intramuscular once a week and it is a bio identical. I don’t have many peaks at all because the once a week injection keeps it pretty smooth for me. Other friends of mine do have ups and downs through the week of if trey do every two weeks, but I have it pretty dialed. What kind of estrogen do your pellets give off, if ya don’t mind me asking? I’ll look into them for me if you tell me the brand or whatever? feel free to DM!

I don’t have a uterus or ovaries after a surgery i had and i also don’t make much testosterone. We’re more similar than you might have thought! My adrenal glands apparently make less testosterone than yours do based on my blood tests anyway. Might be my age too. 

That’s why i have testosterone gel prescribed. When i use it i can go to about 5 times your blood testosterone pretty easily, but I’m so focused on breast growth right now so i am not supplementing T. 

Side effects of very low T in the past for me have been depression, lack of sleep and difficulty reaching orgasm. I went to undetectable T for a while after my surgery though. 

I am doing well on all of those symptoms now after 2 weeks off T, but I’m watching closely to see if they appear. If they do, i’ll microdose T even during NBE. 

[MadameBusty]

I was told most injections act similarly to bio identical but are synthetic(like ethinyl estradiol, cypionate etc) but it's possible yours are proper bio identical, you'd also definitely be getting atleast some form of peaks(maybe no mood swings though) even if injected weekly because it's going in at a big dose all at once then slowly fizzling out till your next week injection whereas pellets are a consistent constant release, bio identical hormones are mostly made in a compounding pharmacy/lab so they don't usually have a brand name(ie progynova etc etc all synthetic) just an FYI, my estradiol pellets implants are made in a lab by a compounding pharmacist these are bio identical and have no brand name same with my progesterone I get made up, the only bio identical hormones that I know of that has a brand name is utrogestan which is a micronized progesterone branded hrt. My testosterone levels aren't even 1 they are 0.7 so non existent lmao as expected of being post operative so it's not possible to get much lower than that lol, I would never take testosterone because that would be kinda defeating the purpose of everything for me being a trans woman I don't need testosterone whatsoever, progesterone gives me my libido and keeps me stable mood wise. My endo has been working with trans patients for over 20 years people fly interstate to see him in my country 
But yes as you are a natal woman being on a small amount of testosterone makes sense seeing as natal women need alil bit of it more so than us trans girls(your hrt would be keeping things healthy down in the vaginal region too)
I have no issues with libido, mood swings or anything of that sort besides my usual mental health issues that I was diagnosed with when I was 7 years old 
Thanks for the congrats lovely! Also I've gotta say how heartwarming it is to have two other women(you and Shela) who are very active on the female side of the forum because for a good while there it felt like I was all by my lonesome posting to the void ahah, grateful the forum has picked up! 

[blueseltzer]

Super awesome that you have such awesome medical care! that makes me super happy. i do really well too, but it is a lot of self advocacy for sure to get what i need. 

my estradiol valerate comes in an oil that my endo said makes my peak E in my blood three days after injection and then a smooth taper to day 7 when i reinject? no idea if this works for everyone who injects, but it works for me. i dont feel cylces. 

I also take bioidentical progesterone rectally so it doesnt go through my liver. 200mg a day, but i dont have my blood tests of that anymore, it’s been years for me too now and that was with my old endo so i dont have the test anymore. I kinda want pellets now though! they sound super easy. thanks for all the info. 

My T is actually only 25 percent of yours without supplement of the gel if i did the conversion right. you said 0.7 nmol/L which this website says is about 20ng/DL. my test without gel was 4.5ng/DL and my test before that was undetectable. 

https://balancemyhormones.co.uk/testoste...sion-tool/

totally understand about not wanting to supplement T, I’m not psyched about it either for me! i only take a tiny bit though. i guess my body just makes such a tiny bit now that it’s not enough for me. my target blood level is about the same as yours now. so like 0.05 grams every other day gel, tiny tiny bit!

I’m super happy to be here on the forum! I came over from reddit /nbe, because this seemed more serious kinda? Like there is just more wild west there where this seems more science and serious kinda?

I’m also on a discord server where they require verification and it isnt totally public. i post a bit more detail about myself and progress pics and things there.