[hejsan24]

Do you think you could Send me a link of a progestorene cream you would recommend? It would be very helprivata because there is so many different and I really trust you even though it may not be right for me. I will check with my doctor first❤️❤️❤️

[MadameBusty]

Ok so please lmk if I've missed anything you asked! First off your BC containing not only estradiol but a progestin means you actually may not have estrogen dominance(potentially) as progestin is a progesterone though synthetic so not the best for you and doesn't work as well as bio identical progesterone. With cupping they would be meaning vacuum systems like noogleberry or Kangzhu! Both of which you can buy online, you buy a size based off your current measurements of your bust, you place the vacuum cup over your entire breasts and "pump" to create a vacuum, over time this leads to increased tissue though I have seen some people get stretch marks and saggier from this due to the tension. The progesterone cream I personally think looks the most promising is biolabs progesterone cream I'll attach a link
https://biolabspro.com/products/progest-cream-25mg
There are a few different strengths on the website so it totally depends upon what your needs are.
MSM alone definitely CAN give results in some people as has been shown a good amount of times here and if paired with massage even better! I wanted to say aswell from what I've looked up please don't use ricin oil it's from the plant that produces Castor oil but from a different part of the plant and is apparently toxic in a few ways, use an oil like sweet almond oil, sunflower oil, actual castor oil, fractionated coconut oil etc and you want the oil to say pure and unscented, preferably unrefined aswell, I personally use NOW solutions sweet almond oil with also Sunflower oil as a half half ratio in my oil.

[hejsan24]

Ok so please lmk if I've missed anything you asked! First off your BC containing not only estradiol but a progestin means you actually may not have estrogen dominance(potentially) as progestin is a progesterone though synthetic so not the best for you and doesn't work as well as bio identical progesterone. With cupping they would be meaning vacuum systems like noogleberry or Kangzhu! Both of which you can buy online, you buy a size based off your current measurements of your bust, you place the vacuum cup over your entire breasts and "pump" to create a vacuum, over time this leads to increased tissue though I have seen some people get stretch marks and saggier from this due to the tension. The progesterone cream I personally think looks the most promising is biolabs progesterone cream I'll attach a link
https://biolabspro.com/products/progest-cream-25mg
There are a few different strengths on the website so it totally depends upon what your needs are.
MSM alone definitely CAN give results in some people as has been shown a good amount of times here and if paired with massage even better! I wanted to say aswell from what I've looked up please don't use ricin oil it's from the plant that produces Castor oil but from a different part of the plant and is apparently toxic in a few ways, use an oil like sweet almond oil, sunflower oil, actual castor oil, fractionated coconut oil etc and you want the oil to say pure and unscented, preferably unrefined aswell, I personally use NOW solutions sweet almond oil with also Sunflower oil as a half half ratio in my oil.

Thank you for taking your time❤️ Now I feel overwhelmed, I just spoke with the midwife and asked for take a hormonetest due to hormone imbalance. I dont know if its because im in Sweden that the healthcare only know about major studies But she told me its not possible to take a test since it will not tell me anything because it can change in a day or depending about for example stress so the only option is to take a private superexpensive test by yourself.

She told me that my specific BC (jasmin) contains both estrogen and gestagen but its more estrogen than other BC. I also asked if I could use a progesterone cream and she told me its not something they know about, she only knew some people older than me that take it for menopause. She scared me by saying there is not enough resource about supplement/ herbs/ basically anything and not something she wanted to speak on, especially not on the combination of BC and instead talked me into maybe changing my BC To a different type. 

This is the point I stopped at before finding this forum because it feels overwhelming getting these type of responses and instead being to scared. I dont know Where to start at all anymore?? I also saw omega 3 could be good and then found someone on reddit on NBE saying they got a stroke from it? from what i have seen it seems like people here try maca, but i dont know if its safe with my BC, should i just start with massage and MSM? 

Regarding the oil, Thank you for telling me i will start almond oil, does it do anything special? I just tried with flaxseed for a few days when i though they were shrinking but maybe it was a too short time? I had the oil in my room without keeping it in the fridge, maybe it had the opposite effect for that reason? I feel completely lost and now it feels hopeless again But I will try to stay motivation trying something at least❤️❤️how long does it takes to see result with the massage? ❤️

[MadameBusty]

WOW just wow, I am genuinely perplexed by her response to you in regards to the test and progesterone cream, it's all completely wrong information, women take hormone tests all the time and yet she's trying to scare you off from doing it? It makes no sense, also many women who are long before menopause use progesterone cream so again that's another misinformation she's stating, it boggles my mind how non modern the healthcare is in some European countries. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that fear mongering. Omega 3 cannot give you a stroke whatsoever lol that's actual misinformation too completely, please don't bother much with Reddit, Reddit in general is full of a lot of rubbish and made up stories. Maca is complicated, as its effectiveness totally depends on the individual, I got my mum onto it years back and all she had was severe hot flashes, maca tends to favor testosterone increase in some people, while others it can help with hormone balance, I personally wouldn't touch it because Ive seen so many stories of it not working well for people. Instead you could try Aguaje which while a phytoestrogen, tends to favor progesterone some. 
You may have been one of the people who had the anti estrogenic reaction from flaxseed oil, or if you had an estrogenic reaction but still shrank in size this may very well be due to your BC being more estrogen and therefore possibly you putting yourself into estrogen dominance it's really uncertain which one without knowing your hormone results I'm sorry 
Massage results differ for everyone, for me if I don't massage for ages then start I notice an increase in fullness the next day almost immediately, however increase in size takes time (disregarding the freak cases where people have grown CUPS within a month) for me I usually tend to have steady growth over the course of a few months, but it depends where you are starting, my breasts are already big so cup increases tend to take more time versus someone trying to grow from an A cup to a B cup which is a smaller volume increase between them. I'd say you should notice fullness increase within a week or 2 max if it's working for you and depending where you are growing from a cup size increase within a month or two if you keep at massage every day, for 10-20 minutes and do the right massages(check my thread for my personal massage technique I do if you want but there are many ways) I'm so sorry I couldn't be more helpful at this point, due to your situation and your medical team fear mongering I'm kind of at a loss as to what to advise seeing as you can't even get a hormone test done, have you considered online hormone tests that I spoke of earlier? You simply pay through online on their website, they send you a test in the mail, you do the test and send it back to them and then they get back to you with the results via email etc. I really can't advise what route to go with herbs unless I know this as we don't truly know whether you are needing progesterone alone, progesterone with alil estrogen, or maybe alil prolactin increase, or a strong anti androgen or not etc. Again I'm sorry lovely I wish I could be more helpful at this point 

[hejsan24]

WOW just wow, I am genuinely perplexed by her response to you in regards to the test and progesterone cream, it's all completely wrong information, women take hormone tests all the time and yet she's trying to scare you off from doing it? It makes no sense, also many women who are long before menopause use progesterone cream so again that's another misinformation she's stating, it boggles my mind how non modern the healthcare is in some European countries. I'm sorry you had to deal with all that fear mongering. Omega 3 cannot give you a stroke whatsoever lol that's actual misinformation too completely, please don't bother much with Reddit, Reddit in general is full of a lot of rubbish and made up stories. Maca is complicated, as its effectiveness totally depends on the individual, I got my mum onto it years back and all she had was severe hot flashes, maca tends to favor testosterone increase in some people, while others it can help with hormone balance, I personally wouldn't touch it because Ive seen so many stories of it not working well for people. Instead you could try Aguaje which while a phytoestrogen, tends to favor progesterone some. 
You may have been one of the people who had the anti estrogenic reaction from flaxseed oil, or if you had an estrogenic reaction but still shrank in size this may very well be due to your BC being more estrogen and therefore possibly you putting yourself into estrogen dominance it's really uncertain which one without knowing your hormone results I'm sorry 
Massage results differ for everyone, for me if I don't massage for ages then start I notice an increase in fullness the next day almost immediately, however increase in size takes time (disregarding the freak cases where people have grown CUPS within a month) for me I usually tend to have steady growth over the course of a few months, but it depends where you are starting, my breasts are already big so cup increases tend to take more time versus someone trying to grow from an A cup to a B cup which is a smaller volume increase between them. I'd say you should notice fullness increase within a week or 2 max if it's working for you and depending where you are growing from a cup size increase within a month or two if you keep at massage every day, for 10-20 minutes and do the right massages(check my thread for my personal massage technique I do if you want but there are many ways) I'm so sorry I couldn't be more helpful at this point, due to your situation and your medical team fear mongering I'm kind of at a loss as to what to advise seeing as you can't even get a hormone test done, have you considered online hormone tests that I spoke of earlier? You simply pay through online on their website, they send you a test in the mail, you do the test and send it back to them and then they get back to you with the results via email etc. I really can't advise what route to go with herbs unless I know this as we don't truly know whether you are needing progesterone alone, progesterone with alil estrogen, or maybe alil prolactin increase, or a strong anti androgen or not etc. Again I'm sorry lovely I wish I could be more helpful at this point 

I completely agree with you, but I will still continue to try this journey, a lot thanks to you, so Thank you it means really much to me  I found a hormonetest that i could buy online that shows the estrogene and progestorene levels- do you think that is enough?( Its this test: https://www.testmottagningen.se/tester/halsokontroller/ostrogen-och-progesteron-test/?channel=1&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22095198852&gbraid=0AAAAABV-44o34s1HEOSieBqYnqZKdN-Ru&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsAH_NegbF9p-tP52vfhEwS5UPypCUX1aOfSCKjfnmXNho605ihsv6RoCIoQQAvD_BwE) its linked to the healthcare so it could take some time to get the results But if you think its good I will do it.

What i do now in the meanwhile: i ordered the specific MSM and 1000 mg Cvitamin and will start taking one tablett of both every day. I bought pumking and sunflower seed + almonds to eat everyday. I will buy Omega 3 but one tablett contains 250 mg- do you think its enough to take one everyday?

Im massaging every day, mostly twice a day with this massage technique. https://youtu.be/1Ej6jz_w_Bc?si=otieifHNuKBRXmmt
PLEASE tell me if this is good or not, i noticed some swelling first but now it seems to do nothing, i hope it has to do with consistency or otherwise i would be happy to get another tips, I tried to find your techinque But I could not find it  For reference my breasts are 34 inches (measured around the nipples) and 32,7 inches on the upperbreast. If I sit up or sligthy forward it seems like its a little bit of tissue But when i stand my boobs are very Round But doesnt seem to have much tissue at all. For now Im using oliveoil as im waiting for the sweet almond oil that you reccomended for arrive, even though it has a little bit of breakout on my boobs.

Since im taking the pill everyday without taking a break, do you think it matters when I take the hormonetest? I just get my period once in 6 months and its fakeblood and now I just had my period and stopped with the pill for a week and now they seem smaller again?I just understood its important to take it in a specifik time in the cycle But i dont know my cycle now so I hope its okay eitherway.

I also ordered a vacuum pump from amazon that was affordable that another girl from here had great results from But it will arrive in june  

Im not eating so much fruits and vegetables to be honest, but I drink a lot of normal (not goat) milk and almond milk so maybe the MSM could be good

[MadameBusty]

I completely agree with you, but I will still continue to try this journey, a lot thanks to you, so Thank you it means really much to me  I found a hormonetest that i could buy online that shows the estrogene and progestorene levels- do you think that is enough?( Its this test: https://www.testmottagningen.se/tester/halsokontroller/ostrogen-och-progesteron-test/?channel=1&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22095198852&gbraid=0AAAAABV-44o34s1HEOSieBqYnqZKdN-Ru&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsAH_NegbF9p-tP52vfhEwS5UPypCUX1aOfSCKjfnmXNho605ihsv6RoCIoQQAvD_BwE) its linked to the healthcare so it could take some time to get the results But if you think its good I will do it.

What i do now in the meanwhile: i ordered the specific MSM and 1000 mg Cvitamin and will start taking one tablett of both every day. I bought pumking and sunflower seed + almonds to eat everyday. I will buy Omega 3 but one tablett contains 250 mg- do you think its enough to take one everyday?

Im massaging every day, mostly twice a day with this massage technique. https://youtu.be/1Ej6jz_w_Bc?si=otieifHNuKBRXmmt
PLEASE tell me if this is good or not, i noticed some swelling first but now it seems to do nothing, i hope it has to do with consistency or otherwise i would be happy to get another tips, I tried to find your techinque But I could not find it  For reference my breasts are 34 inches (measured around the nipples) and 32,7 inches on the upperbreast. If I sit up or sligthy forward it seems like its a little bit of tissue But when i stand my boobs are very Round But doesnt seem to have much tissue at all. For now Im using oliveoil as im waiting for the sweet almond oil that you reccomended for arrive, even though it has a little bit of breakout on my boobs.

Since im taking the pill everyday without taking a break, do you think it matters when I take the hormonetest? I just get my period once in 6 months and its fakeblood and now I just had my period and stopped with the pill for a week and now they seem smaller again?I just understood its important to take it in a specifik time in the cycle But i dont know my cycle now so I hope its okay eitherway.

I also ordered a vacuum pump from amazon that was affordable that another girl from here had great results from But it will arrive in june  

Im not eating so much fruits and vegetables to be honest, but I drink a lot of normal (not goat) milk and almond milk so maybe the MSM could be good

That's great to hear you found a hormone test online! Estrogen and progesterone are the main hormones for breast growth(plus alil prolactin, growth hormone etc) so this test would be good, however if you can find one that does testosterone with it that's much much better as you would need to know if you are needing an anti androgen/Aromatase boosting herb or not.
I personally take 1550mg Fish oil 3x a day each 1550mg capsule contains 558mg EPA and 372mg DHA, so I'm unsure what the dosage you stated is referring to, is it the DHA/EPA content or the actual fish oil as a whole? 
For now you can absolutely take MSM, fish oil, seeds, and massage! Many people before us have done non hormonal methods of NBE and had success! Those seeds are actually excellent btw! Sunflower seeds are great for protein I actually eat 4 tablespoons every now and then with my vegetables and mashed potato plus hemp seeds, pumpkin seeds/oil are great for lowering DHT the bad testosterone but don't affect regular testosterone which is fine if you don't have high testosterone as is, and almonds are great too! With massage this is totally NORMAL so please don't worry! Some days you will have more plumping/swelling than others, keep at it and don't be so fixated on checking measurements/bra fitting(I'm now only checking them every 2 or so weeks) as if you focus less on that you will notice more of a difference, I personally tried on one of my bras this morning after a while and was elated to see that it's very tight and squishing me, NBE progress works for everyone differently in regards to time, some people take a year whilst others can take a short amount of time, but do keep in mind that most of the time growing rapidly very quickly isn't the best as you get alot of stretch marks that way versus having consistent steady growth which allows the skin to adjust better 
With you taking the pill non stop I can only say I assume you would be fine to take the test whenever, but I don't want to say for certain as again I'm not super knowledgeable on BC I'm really sorry for that   do some research and I'm sure you will find an answer for that specific question 
Milk in general is great so that on-top of the seeds is already a great start! Actually goats milk tends to contain higher levels of progesterone than other milk from what I've researched, but you don't know whether you need more of that yet or not and personally I don't think I could stomach that haha   anyways again I hope I've helped and I'm sorry I'm not super knowledgeable on BC.

[hejsan24]

I completely agree with you, but I will still continue to try this journey, a lot thanks to you, so Thank you it means really much to me  I found a hormonetest that i could buy online that shows the estrogene and progestorene levels- do you think that is enough?( Its this test: https://www.testmottagningen.se/tester/halsokontroller/ostrogen-och-progesteron-test/?channel=1&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22095198852&gbraid=0AAAAABV-44o34s1HEOSieBqYnqZKdN-Ru&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsAH_NegbF9p-tP52vfhEwS5UPypCUX1aOfSCKjfnmXNho605ihsv6RoCIoQQAvD_BwE) its linked to the healthcare so it could take some time to get the results But if you think its good I will do it.

What i do now in the meanwhile: i ordered the specific MSM and 1000 mg Cvitamin and will start taking one tablett of both every day. I bought pumking and sunflower seed + almonds to eat everyday. I will buy Omega 3 but one tablett contains 250 mg- do you think its enough to take one everyday?

Im massaging every day, mostly twice a day with this massage technique. https://youtu.be/1Ej6jz_w_Bc?si=otieifHNuKBRXmmt
PLEASE tell me if this is good or not, i noticed some swelling first but now it seems to do nothing, i hope it has to do with consistency or otherwise i would be happy to get another tips, I tried to find your techinque But I could not find it  For reference my breasts are 34 inches (measured around the nipples) and 32,7 inches on the upperbreast. If I sit up or sligthy forward it seems like its a little bit of tissue But when i stand my boobs are very Round But doesnt seem to have much tissue at all. For now Im using oliveoil as im waiting for the sweet almond oil that you reccomended for arrive, even though it has a little bit of breakout on my boobs.

Since im taking the pill everyday without taking a break, do you think it matters when I take the hormonetest? I just get my period once in 6 months and its fakeblood and now I just had my period and stopped with the pill for a week and now they seem smaller again?I just understood its important to take it in a specifik time in the cycle But i dont know my cycle now so I hope its okay eitherway.

I also ordered a vacuum pump from amazon that was affordable that another girl from here had great results from But it will arrive in june  

Im not eating so much fruits and vegetables to be honest, but I drink a lot of normal (not goat) milk and almond milk so maybe the MSM could be good

That's great to hear you found a hormone test online! Estrogen and progesterone are the main hormones for breast growth(plus alil prolactin, growth hormone etc) so this test would be good, however if you can find one that does testosterone with it that's much much better as you would need to know if you are needing an anti androgen/Aromatase boosting herb or not.
I personally take 1550mg Fish oil 3x a day each 1550mg capsule contains 558mg EPA and 372mg DHA, so I'm unsure what the dosage you stated is referring to, is it the DHA/EPA content or the actual fish oil as a whole? 
For now you can absolutely take MSM, fish oil, seeds, and massage! Many people before us have done non hormonal methods of NBE and had success! Those seeds are actually excellent btw! Sunflower seeds are great for protein I actually eat 4 tablespoons every now and then with my vegetables and mashed potato plus hemp seeds, pumpkin seeds/oil are great for lowering DHT the bad testosterone but don't affect regular testosterone which is fine if you don't have high testosterone as is, and almonds are great too! With massage this is totally NORMAL so please don't worry! Some days you will have more plumping/swelling than others, keep at it and don't be so fixated on checking measurements/bra fitting(I'm now only checking them every 2 or so weeks) as if you focus less on that you will notice more of a difference, I personally tried on one of my bras this morning after a while and was elated to see that it's very tight and squishing me, NBE progress works for everyone differently in regards to time, some people take a year whilst others can take a short amount of time, but do keep in mind that most of the time growing rapidly very quickly isn't the best as you get alot of stretch marks that way versus having consistent steady growth which allows the skin to adjust better 
With you taking the pill non stop I can only say I assume you would be fine to take the test whenever, but I don't want to say for certain as again I'm not super knowledgeable on BC I'm really sorry for that   do some research and I'm sure you will find an answer for that specific question 
Milk in general is great so that on-top of the seeds is already a great start! Actually goats milk tends to contain higher levels of progesterone than other milk from what I've researched, but you don't know whether you need more of that yet or not and personally I don't think I could stomach that haha   anyways again I hope I've helped and I'm sorry I'm not super knowledgeable on BC.

Thank you, I will buy the testosterone, estrogen and progesterone test❤️ A little question, I could not find a test for alil prolactin, only prolactin is it the same? Do you think it would change my NBE journey to know that as well because then I take it too❤️

Regarding the massage, do you think the technique i sent to you is good? I might be crazy because now it seems like they are shrinking after the massage But i will take your advice and not look, even if it feels impossible  is there a specific time to take MSm and the c vitamin or can i take one tablet at the same time? 
About the omega 3 i found one that contains 600 mg clean omega 3 (60%) in one tablet and its recommended To take 1-2 per day. More specifik 2 capsules= 660 mg EPA and 440 mg DHA and 100 mg ”other omega 3”.

Im so happy to share the result of the hormonetest when it will come back!

[MadameBusty]

So that "massage" she's doing isn't stimulating the breast or mammary glands at all, if anything it's simply helping lymph drainage(which one thing I do in my own personal massage is similar) try the massage I do, it's on my personal programs thread page 8 and post number #80
I also am not even sure if that girl actually has any breast tissue as it looks like she just has straight implants to me.
Yes try and get a test that includes testosterone, estrogen, progesterone AND prolactin, "alil" is English slang for "a little" lol so ignore that part I was simply meaning we want SOME prolactin but not a heap like with the other hormones. I personally like to take my MSM at night as it helps boost growth hormone and at night sleeping also causes an influx in growth hormone so I figured it's helping better at night. The omega 3 supplement you are talking about is kind of a low dosage, look for one that says around 1000mg or 1500mg fish oil per capsule and 400 to 600mg EPA per capsule etc 

[hejsan24]

Thank you SO much! I tried your massage, it was completely different, much more focuse on the actual tissue, it feels a little bit sore and swollen after but maybe that is acrually what makes them grow? Is it deep tissue massage that triggers growth or is it temporary swollness? I did your massage for 2 days and will conitnue to see what happens, sometimes when my arms get tired Im using my knuckles.

Im waiting for the MSM and I will start taking it per night, do you also take the C vitamin at that time? Is 1000 g C vitamin good you think? 

Please I did not understand a lil prolactin  I will Add it as another test as well, they say i need to take the hormone test on the morning without taking the borthcontroll But since I will take the birthcontroll usually, is it not better to take it normally so the result acrually is accurate? I Will ask To them for be sure I just wanted to know if you had any opinions about it  As soon as I get the test back I will share it here so please dont forget about me

[hejsan24]

I just read something, it says that nicotine can stop breast growth! Im not smoking but i take snus which contains nicotine but not tobac, i will stop and see what happens even though im taking it for years