08-12-2013, 06:42
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2013, 06:51 by surferjoe2007.)
Vitex adds prolactin. That only provides balance if you were low in prolactin and high in the others. It might be related to progesterone too. Most but not all women are high estrogen and low progesterone and prolactin after breastfeeding. Yes vitex takes a long time to have much effect. Vitex is also known as "chasteberry" from those that intentionally used it to cause the opposite imbalance with excess prolactin and low estrogen, which makes you asexual.
I could be wrong but I think DIM breaks down estrogen in general. It is good if your estrogen is too high and you don't want to raise other hormones to match. But ideally for NBE you would want to keep the estrogen and instead raise progesterone and prolactin to match it. Unless the high estrogen is causing you real trouble and all you want is to get rid of it.
Fenugreek, wild yam, shatavari and goat's rue all contain steroidal saponins. They are molecules similar in structure to all hormones. Fenugreek increases the effects of luteinizing hormone which leads you to make more hormones in general, and I think it increases the effects of those hormones too. IMO any one of those herbs is good all on its own, or in combination with anything else.
If you can't get a hormone test or it's too expensive, you could combine 40-125 mg vitex (not more), a few hundred mg red clover, and as much of a steroidal saponin herb as you want (2,000 mg to 25,000+ mg if you can stomach it). That would tend to push you towards the middle. No need to cycle any of those. It's not nearly as effective as PM or PC, but with PM you might accidentally make your estrogen way higher than your progesterone, or with PC you might accidentally make your progesterone way higher than your estrogen. Or either could mess up your cycle. Ideally you'd get a hormone test and take the right amount of both at the right times of the month. Or you guess and hope you didn't guess wrong.
I could be wrong but I think DIM breaks down estrogen in general. It is good if your estrogen is too high and you don't want to raise other hormones to match. But ideally for NBE you would want to keep the estrogen and instead raise progesterone and prolactin to match it. Unless the high estrogen is causing you real trouble and all you want is to get rid of it.
Fenugreek, wild yam, shatavari and goat's rue all contain steroidal saponins. They are molecules similar in structure to all hormones. Fenugreek increases the effects of luteinizing hormone which leads you to make more hormones in general, and I think it increases the effects of those hormones too. IMO any one of those herbs is good all on its own, or in combination with anything else.
If you can't get a hormone test or it's too expensive, you could combine 40-125 mg vitex (not more), a few hundred mg red clover, and as much of a steroidal saponin herb as you want (2,000 mg to 25,000+ mg if you can stomach it). That would tend to push you towards the middle. No need to cycle any of those. It's not nearly as effective as PM or PC, but with PM you might accidentally make your estrogen way higher than your progesterone, or with PC you might accidentally make your progesterone way higher than your estrogen. Or either could mess up your cycle. Ideally you'd get a hormone test and take the right amount of both at the right times of the month. Or you guess and hope you didn't guess wrong.