[EllaC]

Well, I'm afraid I don't have much progress to show this month. I got up to 33" a week ago, and they felt bigger, but nothing that showed up in pictures. And then they seemed to deflate and I measured in at 32.5" again. And that's before my period, which just started. Super annoying! I shouldn't be too impatient, but seeing progress really spurs me on. At least I didn't go back to what I had before.

I stopped taking fenugreek around two weeks ago, after my boyfriend said I smelled spicy (like cinnamon). So this might have something to do with it. Or I could've lost weight, though I don't think I did. I haven't been doing as many chest exercises, which might also be a cause. I didn't take any red clover this month, because it seemed to make my cellulite worse. So many possible causes!

I started taking fenugreek again, in lower doses. *Sigh* We'll see!

I was hoping to be able to do it only with massage and some HGH boosting supplement. Maybe it would still work, only slower...

So my current program is:

L-Arginine 2000mg x3 a day
EPO 1000mg x3 a day
GABA 1000mg X1 at night
Fenugreek ~2g x2 a day
MSM 1/4 tsp x2 a day
Spearmint tea 1-2 a day

PC during last 14 days of cycle.

Massage 20 min x2 a day. (mix of female deer, slapping and fat brushing. I don't know if fat brushing really works- it seems too good to be true. But might as well try! I'd love more fat on my ribcage in general. Hate seeing ribs!)

Thanks for checking in Ellacraig and Peggy! I'd love to hear how both of you progress on your herb-free journey! If I knew it would work, even if slower, I'd take that route. I actually enjoy the massage!

You know what though Mako, I found the fenugreek is aweful at first! Then it tapers off, ie I'm taking fenugreek only, I believe from what I've heard on here fenugreek isn't of great consequence on the phyto estrogen front so I'm not too worried about it! But yes now that I'm taking fenu again on its own I haven't had any maple/curry smell at all, maybe your body tolerates it better after a period of time?
To be perfectly honest I went through a stage where I used the noogleberry twice a day and I noticed an improvement which swiftly went away when I stopped. Bit hard with a hubby and young daughter running around.
But I want to take l-arginine also, the only reason I haven't is because the protein powder I take has more in one serving than a single l-arginine pill so that's probably enough at a guess.
What does spearment tea do? And did you have any effects after taking gaba? I have some gaba here but im too scared to use it for fear of tingling or shortness of breath!!