[TibetanPrincess]

So with working out of the upper chest, it may be that MOST if not MANY of your breast receptors may never have a chance of being filled with Estrogen.

So I don't know if a strong antiandrogen would be the answer alone, or if you need to work out less in addition to it. Just something to think about if you haven't.

Thank you for your concern! It may appear like I exercise a lot, but I really don't. That is the beauty of weight lifting. I usually spend 4 hours working out TOTAL in a WEEK, and will occasionally spend 5 hours and 15 minutes per week. Only 2 of these hours per week do I really workout hard (and this is for my lower body), as the rest of the hours are a pretty light workout. I increase my testosterone levels at the time, yes, but it cannot be so much that breast growth cannot be just as obtainable as anyone else on this forum... especially if it is only for that few count of hours during the week.

Also, with BO, it actually does contain hormones, but it also contains nutritional support. The enzymes and growth factors nourish the glands, it strengthens them to function at their best. So its technically both hormonal supplementation and glandular strengthening. These hormones are still stronger than phyto estrogens. So with PM, it will most likely be competing with BO hormones/your own hormones, so best to not use too much PM (if you are going this route).

Now I admit I am confused by this, because all the BO companies advertise their products as being non-hormonal, and I figure they are saying that because it does not contain anything with actual hormonal properties (no hormonal supplementation). I understood BO as "like heals like" as it is just ground-up ovaries, it is theoretically supposed to "re-awaken" my ovaries for my ovaries to produce their own hormones... NOT that I am ingesting foreign hormones. That is what I understood, anyway. If BO contains hormones, then why do they advertise it as non-hormonal? Strange.

Is this something you just found out? I ask because when we spoke before, you said it was fine (although I personally never want to take PM orally ever again, I don't mind taking it topically) and you encouraged me to take PM topically. I would think that the little bit of PM that I get topically in the morning and at night should not be too much PM. Are you saying this is no longer a good idea? I just want to be clear on what you are saying...

You're fine. PM topical is good small amounts (notice how even the companies say (only use very little amount). I was referring to internal. My apologies, I wasn't for sure you were getting off internal PM.

Yep, its true, they are from the animal and if they are freezedried to a low temp, much of it will be intact like the enzymes and growth factors they want to preserve (or else, it wouldn't be nearly as effective). They would have to extract the components like they do with thyroxin in bovine thyroid glands. But I believe these glands they have in their formula are not highly processed. I think that is why they say its "homeopathic" (at least for BB anyway). I don't know about UB.

In any case, think of BO as a glandular adaptogen in a sense. While it gives your body hormones, it heals and nourshes the gland at the same time. So when you get off of it, your body is working better than ever then when before you were on it.

Now if it were strictly hormones extracted form the animal ovaries without the enzymes and other growth factors, then it would be like taking animal-derived cortisol. I would imagine it would feedback just like with anything else, telling your body its getting enough hormones and not to produce any (like BC) Which is not good and over time, sterilizing your functions if on it for a long enough by the time you got off of it.

This is the reason why I don't take cortisol (plant, animal or synthetic, I need the whole gland to work, as in nourishing it with a whole food source. SO tapering off and taking the whole gland is best.

These companies want to tout hormone free because its whole food (glandular) approach that does not require major processing or extraction or contain phytoestrogens and progestins. But it really does contain them whether it be small, large amounts, weak, or dead (homeopathic methods). none the less this stuff is pretty powerful.

Btw, read this customer comment in regards to using BB:
"So I ordered a supply of bountiful breast off of their website. To put it simply I did see minimal growth after 2 months. My breasts were fuller feeling but there were no mind blowing results. I didn't really follow the protein shake regimen regularly (only here and there). I would have continued taking it (because they recommend at least 3 months of it to see visible results) but I could not continue. My ovaries and uterus started killing me, so much so I went to the hospital. It must've been because of the excess of hormones in my body (I was also using a birth control pill at the time). It's too bad too because the pills are so expensive so I ended up blowing a ton of money. I don't think I'm going to buy any enhancement products of any kind anymore... "

http://www.amazon.com/BountifulBreast-months-receive-bottles-website/product-reviews/B0006GYCI4