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So with working out of the upper chest, it may be that MOST if not MANY of your breast receptors may never have a chance of being filled with Estrogen.

So I don't know if a strong antiandrogen would be the answer alone, or if you need to work out less in addition to it. Just something to think about if you haven't.

Thank you for your concern! It may appear like I exercise a lot, but I really don't. That is the beauty of weight lifting. I usually spend 4 hours working out TOTAL in a WEEK, and will occasionally spend 5 hours and 15 minutes per week. Only 2 of these hours per week do I really workout hard (and this is for my lower body), as the rest of the hours are a pretty light workout. I increase my testosterone levels at the time, yes, but it cannot be so much that breast growth cannot be just as obtainable as anyone else on this forum... especially if it is only for that few count of hours during the week. Suggesting such would be going to unhealthy extremes with NBE if one cannot do something like exercise in minor amounts.

EDIT: Just noticed your post above. I spend less than a half hour working out my pectorals a week, because the rest of the 45 minutes that I dedicate to that routine is isolating my triceps. I lift really lift weight for a short period of time! As I said, less than a half hour per week on my actual chest muscles, so I'm assuming that won't do much.

Also, with BO, it actually does contain hormones, but it also contains nutritional support. The enzymes and growth factors nourish the glands, it strengthens them to function at their best. So its technically both hormonal supplementation and glandular strengthening. These hormones are still stronger than phyto estrogens. So with PM, it will most likely be competing with BO hormones/your own hormones, so best to not use too much PM (if you are going this route).

Now I admit I am confused by this, because all the BO companies advertise their products as being non-hormonal, and I figure they are saying that because it does not contain anything with actual hormonal properties (no hormonal supplementation). I understood BO as "like heals like" as it is just ground-up ovaries, it is theoretically supposed to "re-awaken" my ovaries for my ovaries to produce their own hormones... NOT that I am ingesting foreign hormones. That is what I understood, anyway. If BO contains hormones, then why do they advertise it as non-hormonal? Strange.

Is this something you just found out? I ask because when we spoke before, you said it was fine if I found out later that I needed it (although I personally never want to take PM orally ever again, I don't mind taking it topically), and you encouraged me to take PM topically now, which I am doing. I would think that the little bit of PM that I get topically in the morning and at night should not be too much PM. Are you saying this is no longer a good idea? I just want to be clear on what you are saying...