17-05-2012, 23:31
A quick update to note a few things
The Saw Palmetto definitely has given me bigger thighs, and I think I've gained weight elsewhere too (not so much my chest though
). I was hoping it would stay off my stomach, but it seems to be laying on fat there too, so I've had to change my eating habits a bit (I can't just binge on everything I see anymore 
). I know I'm taking a somewhat big dose now but I think that's necessary to get the anti-androgen effect that I need (though it feels like Saw Palmetto is somewhat less effective for me, or maybe it just works slower than what I experienced with Spearmint tea?)
I measured today and it seems that I've gained an inch on my butt since starting this whole NBE thing (half an inch since starting pm) (Yay!) Not much change on my chest though.
Measurements today
Over bust: 31,25" (-0,25" since starting pm in february)
Across bust: 32,5" (+0,5" since starting pm in february)
Under bust: 29"
Waist: 26,5 " (-0,25" since feb)
Hips: 33,75" (+0,5" since feb)
Butt: 37 " (+0,5" since feb)
I'm not paying too much attention to the plus/minus quarter inches, because I'm sure I measure differently every time. But it's nice to see the increase across the bust since feb, because even though they feel bigger in my hand, I don't see much difference in the mirror
I've decided to stop stinging nettle, because I found this link on Isabelle's program http://slawomirambroziak.pl/english/secrects_of_dht/ which at the bottom mentions that nettle root extract blocks aromatase (the conversion of testosterone into estrogen) and I figured that can't be very good for NBE, and I'm not risking it. I've been at a stand still it feels like for a little while, though I have had some good pain sensations, not much growth.
my current program
- 1000 mg Ainterol PM daily no cycling. (Phyto-estrogen)
- Fennel seed about 400 mg (phyto-progestin and increases prolactin)
- Saw Palmetto roughly 3000 mg spread out through the day (anti-androgen)
- Goat's rue about 2 heaping teaspoons in tea (mainly for increasing insulin sensitivity, but also for swelling)
- Ginkgo Biloba roughly 1000 mg (circulation and general mental health)
- MSM up to 3000 mg a day (skin etc)
- 500 mg vitamin c (for MSM)
- Also some probiotics here and there because of a recent yeast infection.
I had my withdrawal bleed last week and my boobs deflated during that time (which they plan on doing every time it seems). However, each time I put in a new nuvaring I feel growing pains again, which is good.
I am still thinking about switching to Yasmin or something else though, which is good for an anti-androgen effect as well... Still some thinking to do.
Happy growing everyone!
The Saw Palmetto definitely has given me bigger thighs, and I think I've gained weight elsewhere too (not so much my chest though
). I was hoping it would stay off my stomach, but it seems to be laying on fat there too, so I've had to change my eating habits a bit (I can't just binge on everything I see anymore ). I know I'm taking a somewhat big dose now but I think that's necessary to get the anti-androgen effect that I need (though it feels like Saw Palmetto is somewhat less effective for me, or maybe it just works slower than what I experienced with Spearmint tea?)I measured today and it seems that I've gained an inch on my butt since starting this whole NBE thing (half an inch since starting pm) (Yay!) Not much change on my chest though.
Measurements today
Over bust: 31,25" (-0,25" since starting pm in february)
Across bust: 32,5" (+0,5" since starting pm in february)
Under bust: 29"
Waist: 26,5 " (-0,25" since feb)
Hips: 33,75" (+0,5" since feb)
Butt: 37 " (+0,5" since feb)
I'm not paying too much attention to the plus/minus quarter inches, because I'm sure I measure differently every time. But it's nice to see the increase across the bust since feb, because even though they feel bigger in my hand, I don't see much difference in the mirror
I've decided to stop stinging nettle, because I found this link on Isabelle's program http://slawomirambroziak.pl/english/secrects_of_dht/ which at the bottom mentions that nettle root extract blocks aromatase (the conversion of testosterone into estrogen) and I figured that can't be very good for NBE, and I'm not risking it. I've been at a stand still it feels like for a little while, though I have had some good pain sensations, not much growth.
my current program
- 1000 mg Ainterol PM daily no cycling. (Phyto-estrogen)
- Fennel seed about 400 mg (phyto-progestin and increases prolactin)
- Saw Palmetto roughly 3000 mg spread out through the day (anti-androgen)
- Goat's rue about 2 heaping teaspoons in tea (mainly for increasing insulin sensitivity, but also for swelling)
- Ginkgo Biloba roughly 1000 mg (circulation and general mental health)
- MSM up to 3000 mg a day (skin etc)
- 500 mg vitamin c (for MSM)
- Also some probiotics here and there because of a recent yeast infection.
I had my withdrawal bleed last week and my boobs deflated during that time (which they plan on doing every time it seems). However, each time I put in a new nuvaring I feel growing pains again, which is good.
I am still thinking about switching to Yasmin or something else though, which is good for an anti-androgen effect as well... Still some thinking to do.
Happy growing everyone!