17-04-2012, 19:32
Hi joyland,
I really have no experience with BO. Anastasia and Mel (itsjust4fun91) haven't posted that often lately. They are the long time BO users. I hope they find your program thread. You can link it from the BO forum to make it more visible: the title of this thread doesn't really say you're interested in BO.
Now Anastasia advised more than once to choose either BO or herbs. Just a matter of not over-complicating things. And if one doesn't work, or if you reach your limits with it, you can always try the other later.
Tubular breasts are difficult. I wrote a long time ago that progesterone is at least part of the answer, so BO or placenta programs are the more logical choice. From an herbal viewpoint, it's important to notice that tubular breasts often go hand in hand with androgen symptoms. I can't find that in your story. Check scalp hair loss, facial and body hair or even hirsutism, oily skin or acne, high libido and upbeat mood the whole month, or as jiberish put it lately, what makes a man a man. If you have these, try an anti-androgen. If you don't, stick to BO and NB.
If you are ED, the best start is indeed to do something about that in the luteal phase, and see if you get better swelling towards the start of your period. Fenugreek or wild yam are easier starts than PC. Make sure you read Ginie's program thread and dr. Lee's site before you go there.
The amount of phyto-estrogens in fenugreek is tiny, way too low to have any effect in NBE. Both fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin. Diosgenin is used industrially to make PC, but there is literature showing that the human body is not capable of doing this chemical conversion. Yet there is other literature that shows increases in progesterone and prolactin after taking diosgenin. It's up to you to try fenugreek or wild yam and see if it does anything about your ED symptoms. Make a check list of the symptoms in dr. Lee's hormone imbalance test and journal them daily.
As far as I know, there are no phyto-estrogens in wild yam. Wild yam does block the metabolism of estrone to 16α-hydroxyestrone, so it may increase your estrone level a little. But it does not block the metabolism of estrone to 2-hydroxyestrone, so estrone is still metabolized, and the increase in estrone level can not be much. Besides, estrone is a weaker estrogen than estradiol, and few NBE efforts target estrone.
Wild yam does contain β-sitosterol, which is an anti-androgen. I don't know if the amount of β-sitosterol is high enough to take wild yam for that purpose, though. So in general, if wild yam works for you, it's still hard to tell what exactly it did, but the advantage is that since it does something in all four of the main NBE functions (estrogens, progesterone, anti-androgen, prolactin) it's a very safe starter herb. Many starting NBEers take big doses of herbs that target one or two of the functions specifically, and a week later report problems somewhere else.
Ginie turned the world inside out to find pig placenta outside expensive Japan, and all she found was Swiss sheep placenta. I don't remember her final judgement about its effectiveness, but I'm sure you can find something in her program thread.
Good luck with your program
I really have no experience with BO. Anastasia and Mel (itsjust4fun91) haven't posted that often lately. They are the long time BO users. I hope they find your program thread. You can link it from the BO forum to make it more visible: the title of this thread doesn't really say you're interested in BO.
Now Anastasia advised more than once to choose either BO or herbs. Just a matter of not over-complicating things. And if one doesn't work, or if you reach your limits with it, you can always try the other later.
Tubular breasts are difficult. I wrote a long time ago that progesterone is at least part of the answer, so BO or placenta programs are the more logical choice. From an herbal viewpoint, it's important to notice that tubular breasts often go hand in hand with androgen symptoms. I can't find that in your story. Check scalp hair loss, facial and body hair or even hirsutism, oily skin or acne, high libido and upbeat mood the whole month, or as jiberish put it lately, what makes a man a man. If you have these, try an anti-androgen. If you don't, stick to BO and NB.
If you are ED, the best start is indeed to do something about that in the luteal phase, and see if you get better swelling towards the start of your period. Fenugreek or wild yam are easier starts than PC. Make sure you read Ginie's program thread and dr. Lee's site before you go there.
The amount of phyto-estrogens in fenugreek is tiny, way too low to have any effect in NBE. Both fenugreek and wild yam contain diosgenin. Diosgenin is used industrially to make PC, but there is literature showing that the human body is not capable of doing this chemical conversion. Yet there is other literature that shows increases in progesterone and prolactin after taking diosgenin. It's up to you to try fenugreek or wild yam and see if it does anything about your ED symptoms. Make a check list of the symptoms in dr. Lee's hormone imbalance test and journal them daily.
As far as I know, there are no phyto-estrogens in wild yam. Wild yam does block the metabolism of estrone to 16α-hydroxyestrone, so it may increase your estrone level a little. But it does not block the metabolism of estrone to 2-hydroxyestrone, so estrone is still metabolized, and the increase in estrone level can not be much. Besides, estrone is a weaker estrogen than estradiol, and few NBE efforts target estrone.
Wild yam does contain β-sitosterol, which is an anti-androgen. I don't know if the amount of β-sitosterol is high enough to take wild yam for that purpose, though. So in general, if wild yam works for you, it's still hard to tell what exactly it did, but the advantage is that since it does something in all four of the main NBE functions (estrogens, progesterone, anti-androgen, prolactin) it's a very safe starter herb. Many starting NBEers take big doses of herbs that target one or two of the functions specifically, and a week later report problems somewhere else.
Ginie turned the world inside out to find pig placenta outside expensive Japan, and all she found was Swiss sheep placenta. I don't remember her final judgement about its effectiveness, but I'm sure you can find something in her program thread.
Good luck with your program