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stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN
May 10 2007 at 3:25 PM
MyJourney (Login Myjourney)
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Ok. So. I did a break with my cycle this month, when I started my period, I stopped the bo etal. next day, tons of aches and tingles. So, for three days I did progesterone cream, milk thistle, dandelion, and a couple of other herbs to cleanse. Then started back on the BO...tingles! Then the next two days...diminished again. arg! I kept up on the progesterone cream...thinking it was a good thing. but went back and did some reading, found pro cream could be a no no.
Actually, I went over to the BE board and found one of Wahaiki's posts on stalling and ramping etc. I do not know if we have that resource over here, but it is really good info. i think basically I have been taking to much of everything. Cuz the principal is, depending on your starting breast size, you have a limited amount of receptors, so you need smaller doses. Also, you want to take enough to grow, but not enough to over fill (receptors) because then your body signals to stop (stall).
This is a very simplified version, since all of our bodies are different. Anyway. new plan.
Taking bo. 1 pill a day. no saw palm or anything else. going to see if I actually need that. On W's ramping plan you start with just the estrogenics, and only add in the sp or nettle a few days down the road if you are still not getting tingles.
Might throw in a progesterone blocker.
I will let you know how this pans out.
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Sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER hmm May 10 2007, 3:31 PM
It makes sense!!but will u only take i pill now?so only 500 mg or did i ge that wrong? I hope the new plan works for u..maybe u were just taking too much.You can do it,be sure!!Good growth
Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Yes May 11 2007, 12:21 AM
I will be only taking one 500 mg pill to start...on day one, then ramp up to two on day 2 etc. until I reach where I know i am getting tingles, and then when I feel no tingles i know that is my threshold. Also that SP isn't added until some days down the road, and maybe not at all. I may just try Nettle. I won't cry to giv up SP...since it makes me gain weight.
anonymous
(no login) Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 11 2007, 6:22 AM
Why add anything at all? I don't think one is meant to take anything else together with the B.O. Anyhow, good luck and I hope you get a growth spurt real soon!
Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Well.... May 13 2007, 2:57 PM
Sometimes we add things depending on our hormonal status. I don't think generic BO is an end all product that does everything. If my receptors are filled, or my body is using the BO incorrectly, then I would need to supplement something to clear the receptors and or redirect the effects of the BO. It isn't as simple as just taking a pill...or I would have some big boobs by now LOL
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Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 13 2007, 4:56 PM
MJ, are you feeling anything yet?
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Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) crap shoot May 14 2007, 12:04 AM
Well Sissy, yes and no. the first day on new routine tingles. Next day ramped up to 2 bo 1 sp, and diminished tingles, and none by nighttime. So, today, I took nothing in morning, and am having tingles. Today will take 1 bo and 2 nettle root. I don't want to take the SP anymore because of the nice cottage cheese it left on my thighs.
I looked at Sports Illustrateds swimsuit issue today online...just to see what is what. I hate that issue. I wish they never would have made it. But...anyway, it gave me a good idea of how large I would like my end result to be. And it motivated me to start working out. ;-o
Oh my they all have such flat tummies! argh.
I have to say this was the first time I looked at that si issue and felt like I could try to compete. The BE I have done has helped a lot, especially in the "less saggy" dept. I have avoided looking for years, because I just thought it would make me depressed. But many of the models really aren't big chested at all...only one or two.
Well, I will let you know how I proceed. I think it is so weird that I have lots of tingles on such a small dose! Although, that just says that I either don't have a lot of receptors, and my negative feedback level is very low...or my receptors are filled.
Another problem I have is that I have to have caffeine. And I have quite a bit of it. Sooooo I may have to try to cut back on that.
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Sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 14 2007, 12:13 AM
That is interesting!!So u are responding to 500 mg..hmm..we learn everyday more and more about BO.Anyway,I wish u the best of luck and hope u feel tingles and finally grow..I am starting over too with low dosage this time.Hope this works too.Good luck
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Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Sandy May 14 2007, 12:28 AM
Yeah...actually if this next dosage doesn't work I may just do one day on and one day off!!! Or maybe split my pills somehow for an even smaller dose? The thing Wahaiki posted on the BE board that I read was really interesting about the threshholds. I am assuming it is the same for Bo as it is herbs, and in that case, girls who are smaller in the chest have less receptors and therefore can only take very small amounts before they stall out. I don't understand why I would need smaller amounts, because I am a b cup, loose c cup...but whatever works.
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Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 14 2007, 12:31 PM
Well, I know I've said it before..... if it were me, and it just might be after I finish my bottle of BB, I would take one DNE three times daily, regardless of the tingles and pains - and stay at that dose for 2 months. My pains come and go in spurts, sometimes I will go a week without feeling anything at all.
You also could be stressing out too much. Relax, stick to a program, and if they are going to respond to BO they will. What kept me going was the BB testimonials where growth didn't happen for several months.
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Paula Longstreet
(Login butterfly40) very encouraging May 14 2007, 11:11 PM
I am doing BB too.
I may continue if I get good results as I only take 2 BB pilss a day no other herbs with it, just L-tyrosine.
But i do take royal jelly and the evening primrose for my high metabolism.
I am sure all you would need is the DNE BO ( by itself), and maybe down the road ,if needed, add SP or Nettle or whatever herb you needed for growth, like wild yam or whatever if preference.
I just like taking the one BB in morning and one at night.
Very easy!
May 10 2007 at 3:25 PM
MyJourney (Login Myjourney)
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Ok. So. I did a break with my cycle this month, when I started my period, I stopped the bo etal. next day, tons of aches and tingles. So, for three days I did progesterone cream, milk thistle, dandelion, and a couple of other herbs to cleanse. Then started back on the BO...tingles! Then the next two days...diminished again. arg! I kept up on the progesterone cream...thinking it was a good thing. but went back and did some reading, found pro cream could be a no no.
Actually, I went over to the BE board and found one of Wahaiki's posts on stalling and ramping etc. I do not know if we have that resource over here, but it is really good info. i think basically I have been taking to much of everything. Cuz the principal is, depending on your starting breast size, you have a limited amount of receptors, so you need smaller doses. Also, you want to take enough to grow, but not enough to over fill (receptors) because then your body signals to stop (stall).
This is a very simplified version, since all of our bodies are different. Anyway. new plan.
Taking bo. 1 pill a day. no saw palm or anything else. going to see if I actually need that. On W's ramping plan you start with just the estrogenics, and only add in the sp or nettle a few days down the road if you are still not getting tingles.
Might throw in a progesterone blocker.
I will let you know how this pans out.
Author Reply
Sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER hmm May 10 2007, 3:31 PM
It makes sense!!but will u only take i pill now?so only 500 mg or did i ge that wrong? I hope the new plan works for u..maybe u were just taking too much.You can do it,be sure!!Good growth
Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Yes May 11 2007, 12:21 AM
I will be only taking one 500 mg pill to start...on day one, then ramp up to two on day 2 etc. until I reach where I know i am getting tingles, and then when I feel no tingles i know that is my threshold. Also that SP isn't added until some days down the road, and maybe not at all. I may just try Nettle. I won't cry to giv up SP...since it makes me gain weight.
anonymous
(no login) Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 11 2007, 6:22 AM
Why add anything at all? I don't think one is meant to take anything else together with the B.O. Anyhow, good luck and I hope you get a growth spurt real soon!
Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Well.... May 13 2007, 2:57 PM
Sometimes we add things depending on our hormonal status. I don't think generic BO is an end all product that does everything. If my receptors are filled, or my body is using the BO incorrectly, then I would need to supplement something to clear the receptors and or redirect the effects of the BO. It isn't as simple as just taking a pill...or I would have some big boobs by now LOL
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Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 13 2007, 4:56 PM
MJ, are you feeling anything yet?
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Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) crap shoot May 14 2007, 12:04 AM
Well Sissy, yes and no. the first day on new routine tingles. Next day ramped up to 2 bo 1 sp, and diminished tingles, and none by nighttime. So, today, I took nothing in morning, and am having tingles. Today will take 1 bo and 2 nettle root. I don't want to take the SP anymore because of the nice cottage cheese it left on my thighs.
I looked at Sports Illustrateds swimsuit issue today online...just to see what is what. I hate that issue. I wish they never would have made it. But...anyway, it gave me a good idea of how large I would like my end result to be. And it motivated me to start working out. ;-o
Oh my they all have such flat tummies! argh.
I have to say this was the first time I looked at that si issue and felt like I could try to compete. The BE I have done has helped a lot, especially in the "less saggy" dept. I have avoided looking for years, because I just thought it would make me depressed. But many of the models really aren't big chested at all...only one or two.
Well, I will let you know how I proceed. I think it is so weird that I have lots of tingles on such a small dose! Although, that just says that I either don't have a lot of receptors, and my negative feedback level is very low...or my receptors are filled.
Another problem I have is that I have to have caffeine. And I have quite a bit of it. Sooooo I may have to try to cut back on that.
Edit Message Delete Message
Sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 14 2007, 12:13 AM
That is interesting!!So u are responding to 500 mg..hmm..we learn everyday more and more about BO.Anyway,I wish u the best of luck and hope u feel tingles and finally grow..I am starting over too with low dosage this time.Hope this works too.Good luck
Edit Message Delete Message
Myjourney
(Login Myjourney) Sandy May 14 2007, 12:28 AM
Yeah...actually if this next dosage doesn't work I may just do one day on and one day off!!! Or maybe split my pills somehow for an even smaller dose? The thing Wahaiki posted on the BE board that I read was really interesting about the threshholds. I am assuming it is the same for Bo as it is herbs, and in that case, girls who are smaller in the chest have less receptors and therefore can only take very small amounts before they stall out. I don't understand why I would need smaller amounts, because I am a b cup, loose c cup...but whatever works.
Edit Message Delete Message
Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: stalling AGAIN changing AGAIN May 14 2007, 12:31 PM
Well, I know I've said it before..... if it were me, and it just might be after I finish my bottle of BB, I would take one DNE three times daily, regardless of the tingles and pains - and stay at that dose for 2 months. My pains come and go in spurts, sometimes I will go a week without feeling anything at all.
You also could be stressing out too much. Relax, stick to a program, and if they are going to respond to BO they will. What kept me going was the BB testimonials where growth didn't happen for several months.
Edit Message Delete Message
Paula Longstreet
(Login butterfly40) very encouraging May 14 2007, 11:11 PM
I am doing BB too.
I may continue if I get good results as I only take 2 BB pilss a day no other herbs with it, just L-tyrosine.
But i do take royal jelly and the evening primrose for my high metabolism.
I am sure all you would need is the DNE BO ( by itself), and maybe down the road ,if needed, add SP or Nettle or whatever herb you needed for growth, like wild yam or whatever if preference.
I just like taking the one BB in morning and one at night.
Very easy!