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help Michelle choi
November 5 2006 at 5:04 PM Kate (no login)
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Hi, Michelle first of all, i want to congratulate you on your success with BB! I just found this forum and it is just wonderful; everybody in here seem to be very nice & friendly. I was really encouraged to try NBE after reading testimonials and seeing pictures on the forum. I desperately want to believe there still some hope for me. Anyway I'm posting this message because i have several questions for you regarding your program, I hope you don't mind me asking. I was going over the personal programs and I thought about copying your routine since our stats as far as height & weight are about the same, right now i measure 32 inches around my bust and think that's pretty close to what you stated out with. Anyway I'm ordering some BO online, not the BB because it's a little pricey and I can't afford it right now so i probably will go with the generic instead. My question is, where did you get your L-tyrosine, kelp, EPO(oil, pills) and the whey protein from? also what is FSO & DIM? and where Do you get them from? Do you take all the pills at one time or divide them evenly during the day? I'm sorry if I'm bombarding you with so many questions I really hope you don't mind me but I'm so desperate , frustrated and self counsious about my breasts that i really wish there was something I could do about it. I don't want to do surgery I know that for sure but I don't want to think I'm dooomed forever with small breasts. This fact it's affecting so much my self esteem and the relationship with my partener, he says he doesn't mind me having small breasts but I know he is very attracted to women with big boobs. I have tried to convince myself that I don't need big breasts to feel good about myself but so far it has not worked on the contrary as time progresses I feel less of a woman and I know this is affecting my whole life. My husband senses my insecurity and he is not happy because I'm not happy. Sorry I'm giving you a lot info you don't need to know, I just felt like talking I know you and everybody in here undersatand how I feel, anyway I better go for now. Hope to hear from you soon. take care and again, congratulations.
Kate
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michelle choi
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER hi katie November 5 2006, 9:52 PM
welcome aboard.
Thank you for the congrats. And don't feel like you are bombarding me at all, I'll try to help when I can. Trust me, I know EXACTLY how you feel and still feel that way. I sometimes feel as though having smaller breasts affects my life too much and my self-esteem. As you can imagine, if you've read my testimonial on BB's site, you'll know that I had breast implants for almost 13 yrs and I felt ashamed of them since they were fake and actually despised my husband when he would pay too much attention to 'them' and not 'me', especially since they were fake and weren't all me that he was touching. Now if they were real then I probably wouldn't have a prob with him touching them so much. But, I had to have them removed for 'me', so I could at least feel 'real' and not fake. But, I'm finding that the more time it takes to grow to the size I want, the more I miss the size of my fake ones, don't miss the fake objects, just the size. Cause like you said my husband says they're fine and I'm beautiful just the way I am, but I know deep down inside he had to love the fake huge ones you know. So now I feel really insecure around big busted women cause I know he's probably droolin over them. Yes you are right though about our insecurity affecting the relationship, cause if we're not happy about ourselves, then eventually I believe it does bring them down also, cause they see us not feeling good about ourselves and don't know how they can help. But, the good news is there is hope!! I love that this forum can help bring hope to other women, so that they can feel better about theirself and let them know there are other options besides surgery.
I'm just glad you researched enough to find us. I'll try my best to answer your questions.
I get my L-tyrosine and kelp from www.iherb.com. The tyrosine usually runs about $7 (lasts about 4wks) and the kelp is under $3(lasts about 2 months), but you can get those also at GNC or a local health store I'm sure. GNC will probably be more expensive than iherb.com, I've looked online before and the price was twice as much. Also Iherb has excellent customer service and the shipping is not much usually. (like $3 when I order just tyrosine and kelp, plus they give little discounts here and there when you order.
You can get the EPO anywhere usually, I always find it at Walgreens, CVS, Walmart and my local grocery store. (walmart I've found is the cheapest of all places)
I get my protein drink from Walmart, it's best to drink protein drinks that have whey protein "isolate" in it, instead of "concentrate" with the bovine ovary. You can also get protein drinks at GNC, but there more expensive. So I found a pretty good one at Walmart called "six star body fuel, advanced whey protein" it costs about $15 and usually lasts me about 2 1/2-3wks. It doesn't taste bad either like most protein drinks. I've tried one before that was horrible. Also the six star body fuel has 97% whey isolate in it. ANother good one with the isolate i've heard about is:Optimum Nutrition (should be at GNC)
Flax seed oil: Flaxseed oil contains superior amounts of vital Omega-3, 6 & ( fatty acids known to have numerous health benefits. These fatty acids may help maintain healthy triglyceride and cholesterol levels. Lignans are valuable phytoestrogens known to assist in maintaining normal estrogen levels. You can get this also anywhere usually...walmart, walgreens,cvs, local grocery mart
DIM plus-metabolizes estrogen, it balances the good estrogen vs. bad estrogen. Here's some more info on that:
Diinodlylmethane • Cruciferous Patented DIM. Estrogen Metabolism Formula • Promotes healthy estrogen metabolism. Enhanced Absorption Patented with Protectamins Vegetable Blend. DIM-plus contains diindolylmethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale. Unlike other plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethanehas unique hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of enzymes that improve estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindolylmethane increases the level of "good" estrogens (2-hydroxyestrogen) while reducing the level of "bad" estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen).
I get DIM plus from either www.herbsmd.com (only cause they sell a smaller supply for cheaper--1 month supply about $7 or $8, when I can't afford the one at www.iherb.com, which sells a bigger supply...2 month supply for around $19.
They also have that one I believe At GNC. Or you could check at any health store.
If you're getting a cheaper BO product, like Vitamin Power it's recommended to start with 1800mg a day for at least a month and if you don't see results then you can slowly ramp up. You can ramp up slowly up to the suggested max dosage of 2400mg. It's suggested to split the dosages up 3x a day if you can and I know for the vitamin power it's suggested to take with meals or at least a snack with protein. you could maybe ask emmie if she takes hers with food cause she's seeing some results with the vitamin power. Here's a link also that explains more about taking the bo ovary and what else you can take with it:
http://www.botanicalbeautylab.com/beautybeprogram.html ---scroll to the bottom of the page where it talks about bovine ovary concentrate.
Hope this helps. Good luck to you!!!
emmie
(Login emmiedee) with or without food November 6 2006, 4:48 PM
just snooping around and michelle was talking about me again!
i do take the vitamin power pills... they taste so awful... but we do what we have to do! and you are certainly not the only one who feels insecure. i was cheated on with a girl with huge boobs... even if that wasnt the reason for the infidelity, it became the reason. but i dont focus on him... i do it for ME, and thats really the only successful attitude i think you should have. he can go or stay, because either way i am going to be beautiful and i will be happy with my body. his loss! (we have worked it out... he decided to stay and i decided to keep him around... and i can surprise him with my new boobs when i see him again in six months, i hope!)
anyway, back to business:
i tend to take my pills without food... i take them first thing in the morning, then about an hour or two after lunch, and then maybe a half hour to an hour before i go to bed.
i start out most days with a protein shake which i usually start drinking about half an hour or so after i take my first pills... and i really think the protein shake is what makes my boobs tingle! the botanical beauty labs site doesnt say much about the shakes... mine is about all isolate as well as michelle was saying.
so to answer the question, not with food, but on an empty stomach like first thing in the morning they can make you a little queasy so i have a shake. sometimes in the afternoon i will have a healthy snack, but im usually not hungry so i dont get nauseous.
results are slow but i really think they are on the way!
hugs and good boobie wishes
Kate
(no login) Thanks Michelle and Emmie November 10 2006, 6:23 PM
Thank you so much girls for responding to my message and I do apologize for taking so much to post a reply. I was out of town for almost a week and with no access to a computer but I'm back and very glad to see that both of you took time to respond to my post. Thank you very much for the warm welcome to the forum, the good information and the encouragement you're giving me. I'm so happy I found this forum, everyone in here understand exactly the frustation and disappointment of having small breasts and it's so great to have someone to talk to who can really understand what you're talking about. Once again ladies, thanks a million and I guess we will be seeing each other often around the forum. A BIG hug from me and a handful of good wishes for you all on this journey.
Kate
November 5 2006 at 5:04 PM Kate (no login)
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Hi, Michelle first of all, i want to congratulate you on your success with BB! I just found this forum and it is just wonderful; everybody in here seem to be very nice & friendly. I was really encouraged to try NBE after reading testimonials and seeing pictures on the forum. I desperately want to believe there still some hope for me. Anyway I'm posting this message because i have several questions for you regarding your program, I hope you don't mind me asking. I was going over the personal programs and I thought about copying your routine since our stats as far as height & weight are about the same, right now i measure 32 inches around my bust and think that's pretty close to what you stated out with. Anyway I'm ordering some BO online, not the BB because it's a little pricey and I can't afford it right now so i probably will go with the generic instead. My question is, where did you get your L-tyrosine, kelp, EPO(oil, pills) and the whey protein from? also what is FSO & DIM? and where Do you get them from? Do you take all the pills at one time or divide them evenly during the day? I'm sorry if I'm bombarding you with so many questions I really hope you don't mind me but I'm so desperate , frustrated and self counsious about my breasts that i really wish there was something I could do about it. I don't want to do surgery I know that for sure but I don't want to think I'm dooomed forever with small breasts. This fact it's affecting so much my self esteem and the relationship with my partener, he says he doesn't mind me having small breasts but I know he is very attracted to women with big boobs. I have tried to convince myself that I don't need big breasts to feel good about myself but so far it has not worked on the contrary as time progresses I feel less of a woman and I know this is affecting my whole life. My husband senses my insecurity and he is not happy because I'm not happy. Sorry I'm giving you a lot info you don't need to know, I just felt like talking I know you and everybody in here undersatand how I feel, anyway I better go for now. Hope to hear from you soon. take care and again, congratulations.
Kate
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michelle choi
(Login chelle_choi)
SENIOR MEMBER hi katie November 5 2006, 9:52 PM
welcome aboard.
Thank you for the congrats. And don't feel like you are bombarding me at all, I'll try to help when I can. Trust me, I know EXACTLY how you feel and still feel that way. I sometimes feel as though having smaller breasts affects my life too much and my self-esteem. As you can imagine, if you've read my testimonial on BB's site, you'll know that I had breast implants for almost 13 yrs and I felt ashamed of them since they were fake and actually despised my husband when he would pay too much attention to 'them' and not 'me', especially since they were fake and weren't all me that he was touching. Now if they were real then I probably wouldn't have a prob with him touching them so much. But, I had to have them removed for 'me', so I could at least feel 'real' and not fake. But, I'm finding that the more time it takes to grow to the size I want, the more I miss the size of my fake ones, don't miss the fake objects, just the size. Cause like you said my husband says they're fine and I'm beautiful just the way I am, but I know deep down inside he had to love the fake huge ones you know. So now I feel really insecure around big busted women cause I know he's probably droolin over them. Yes you are right though about our insecurity affecting the relationship, cause if we're not happy about ourselves, then eventually I believe it does bring them down also, cause they see us not feeling good about ourselves and don't know how they can help. But, the good news is there is hope!! I love that this forum can help bring hope to other women, so that they can feel better about theirself and let them know there are other options besides surgery. I'm just glad you researched enough to find us.
I'll try my best to answer your questions.I get my L-tyrosine and kelp from www.iherb.com. The tyrosine usually runs about $7 (lasts about 4wks) and the kelp is under $3(lasts about 2 months), but you can get those also at GNC or a local health store I'm sure. GNC will probably be more expensive than iherb.com, I've looked online before and the price was twice as much. Also Iherb has excellent customer service and the shipping is not much usually. (like $3 when I order just tyrosine and kelp, plus they give little discounts here and there when you order.
You can get the EPO anywhere usually, I always find it at Walgreens, CVS, Walmart and my local grocery store. (walmart I've found is the cheapest of all places)
I get my protein drink from Walmart, it's best to drink protein drinks that have whey protein "isolate" in it, instead of "concentrate" with the bovine ovary. You can also get protein drinks at GNC, but there more expensive. So I found a pretty good one at Walmart called "six star body fuel, advanced whey protein" it costs about $15 and usually lasts me about 2 1/2-3wks. It doesn't taste bad either like most protein drinks. I've tried one before that was horrible. Also the six star body fuel has 97% whey isolate in it. ANother good one with the isolate i've heard about is:Optimum Nutrition (should be at GNC)
Flax seed oil: Flaxseed oil contains superior amounts of vital Omega-3, 6 & ( fatty acids known to have numerous health benefits. These fatty acids may help maintain healthy triglyceride and cholesterol levels. Lignans are valuable phytoestrogens known to assist in maintaining normal estrogen levels. You can get this also anywhere usually...walmart, walgreens,cvs, local grocery mart
DIM plus-metabolizes estrogen, it balances the good estrogen vs. bad estrogen. Here's some more info on that:
Diinodlylmethane • Cruciferous Patented DIM. Estrogen Metabolism Formula • Promotes healthy estrogen metabolism. Enhanced Absorption Patented with Protectamins Vegetable Blend. DIM-plus contains diindolylmethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale. Unlike other plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethanehas unique hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of enzymes that improve estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindolylmethane increases the level of "good" estrogens (2-hydroxyestrogen) while reducing the level of "bad" estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen).
I get DIM plus from either www.herbsmd.com (only cause they sell a smaller supply for cheaper--1 month supply about $7 or $8, when I can't afford the one at www.iherb.com, which sells a bigger supply...2 month supply for around $19.
They also have that one I believe At GNC. Or you could check at any health store.
If you're getting a cheaper BO product, like Vitamin Power it's recommended to start with 1800mg a day for at least a month and if you don't see results then you can slowly ramp up. You can ramp up slowly up to the suggested max dosage of 2400mg. It's suggested to split the dosages up 3x a day if you can and I know for the vitamin power it's suggested to take with meals or at least a snack with protein. you could maybe ask emmie if she takes hers with food cause she's seeing some results with the vitamin power. Here's a link also that explains more about taking the bo ovary and what else you can take with it:
http://www.botanicalbeautylab.com/beautybeprogram.html ---scroll to the bottom of the page where it talks about bovine ovary concentrate.
Hope this helps. Good luck to you!!!
emmie
(Login emmiedee) with or without food November 6 2006, 4:48 PM
just snooping around and michelle was talking about me again!
i do take the vitamin power pills... they taste so awful... but we do what we have to do! and you are certainly not the only one who feels insecure. i was cheated on with a girl with huge boobs... even if that wasnt the reason for the infidelity, it became the reason. but i dont focus on him... i do it for ME, and thats really the only successful attitude i think you should have. he can go or stay, because either way i am going to be beautiful and i will be happy with my body. his loss! (we have worked it out... he decided to stay and i decided to keep him around... and i can surprise him with my new boobs when i see him again in six months, i hope!)
anyway, back to business:
i tend to take my pills without food... i take them first thing in the morning, then about an hour or two after lunch, and then maybe a half hour to an hour before i go to bed.
i start out most days with a protein shake which i usually start drinking about half an hour or so after i take my first pills... and i really think the protein shake is what makes my boobs tingle! the botanical beauty labs site doesnt say much about the shakes... mine is about all isolate as well as michelle was saying.
so to answer the question, not with food, but on an empty stomach like first thing in the morning they can make you a little queasy so i have a shake. sometimes in the afternoon i will have a healthy snack, but im usually not hungry so i dont get nauseous.
results are slow but i really think they are on the way!
hugs and good boobie wishes
Kate
(no login) Thanks Michelle and Emmie November 10 2006, 6:23 PM
Thank you so much girls for responding to my message and I do apologize for taking so much to post a reply. I was out of town for almost a week and with no access to a computer but I'm back and very glad to see that both of you took time to respond to my post. Thank you very much for the warm welcome to the forum, the good information and the encouragement you're giving me. I'm so happy I found this forum, everyone in here understand exactly the frustation and disappointment of having small breasts and it's so great to have someone to talk to who can really understand what you're talking about. Once again ladies, thanks a million and I guess we will be seeing each other often around the forum. A BIG hug from me and a handful of good wishes for you all on this journey.
Kate