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Questions about bo
March 16 2007 at 2:36 AM melosh (Login melosh)
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Hi ladies
I used herbs for several months and got acne and gained weight. I started taking vitex about 2 months ago and i shrunk on it. Girls in the other forum advised me to stick with vitex for 2 more months and said vitex balances estrogen levels and it could be the reason for initial shrinkage but once it starts to raise progestrone growth would begin. Also I have acne that I have been struggling with for 23 years and seems like vitex has helped vitex users greatly about acne. I have been using it for 2 months now and it takes 3 months to see some results so I want to continue taking vitex.
This is what I take
3600mg vitex
900mg nettle root
2 pills of silica in the form of horsetail(for hair growth)
just today added 160mg saw palmetto extract(hoping fatty acids in it and anti-androgenic effects help with acne)
Here are my questions
1)Does bovine ovary give you estrogen or progestrone?(estrogen gives me acne)
2)can I use bo with vitex?
3)I`m not skinny and I eat meat, do I still have to use protein shakes?(don`t want to gain weight)
4)can I do a liver cleanse with milk thisle without stopping vitex?
Thanks a lot ladies. I really wanna join the bo users group but I don`t want to start breaking out like I did on herbs. Best wishes to all.
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wonderbride
(Login wonderbride)
SENIOR MEMBER questions about bo March 17 2007, 1:26 AM
Yes, you can use vitex with BO. You don't have to use protein shakes if you get enough protein with your diet. I don't anymore and I'm still growing. I think it's better to stop the vitex while doing a liver cleanse. You want to give your liver a break from all herbs. For the estrogen and progesterone question read the post on "BO contain only progesterone or estrogen too?" at http://www.network54.com/Forum/534125/thread/1166601871/last-1166839621/BO+contain+only+progesterone+or+estrogen+too-
If you search this forum or read the old posts a lot of information is already on this forum. Good luck.
Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve...
Sally Anne
(Login sally.anne)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 10:05 AM
Bovine ovary gives you estrogen, because that is what is found in ovaries. It doesn't give you progesterone, as that is not made in a cow's ovaries. Someone correct this advice if you have reason to think it's wrong.
Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 11:11 AM
On the FAQ page of BB's website, they state that their product is progesterone based. I would think that they happen to know that aspect of their product before posting it?
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Sally Anne
(Login sally.anne)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 1:14 PM
The question was about BO and not BB. This is an important difference, because BB contains pituitary glandular extract which has been said to increase progesterone, unlike the bovine ovary it contains which doesn't.
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER BO March 17 2007, 1:56 PM
I think it makes sense that BO is estrogen based,but ultra breast system pills do not contain pititary only
450 Mg. Bovine Ovary
50 Mg. Ipriflavone
15 Mg. Wild Yam Extract
and they also say the are progesterone based.That is wierd girls..
melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 6:58 PM
Hi girls
I read almost all of the posts in the BO forum and it seems like nobody knows if it BO gives estrogen or progestrone. BB clearly states that it raises progestrone levels. If it also raised estrogen I assume they would say it balances hormones or something.
Michelle and other girls who grew on BO; did you get acne while on BO or did you get a glowing skin? Too much estrogen usually gives acne(fenugreek gave me terrible acne)and a good supply of progestrone usually gives clear skin. That`s why pregnant women usually have beautiful skin cause progestrone goes crazy during pregnancy. Vitex seems to make a women`s body produce more progestrone and I assume that`s why women who use vitex stop getting acne.
Girls it`s very important for me to know what BO does. Once I start breaking out the blemishes don`t go away before 4-5 months and that means if I use something that gives me acne NOW I will go through this summer with short sleeved Ts NO TANK TOPS.(Acne covers my whole back and arms all the way down to my elbows)
I tried searching the net about BO but there`s not much info.
In the main form we know from past experiences of all the girls that;
Fenugreek usually gives acne(too much estrogen)
Saw palmetto usually causes weight gain if taken in large doses(must be the fatty acids it supplies the body with)
Red clover usually causes spotting etc.
IS BOVINE OVARY KNOWN FOR GIVING ACNE?
Thanks for taking your time and helping. I really appriciate your input. Happy growing wishes to all.
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Brenda
(no login) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 9:01 PM
I've seen Fenugreek described as an anti-acne herb, so I don't see how it can usually cause acne.
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melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 9:53 PM
I followed Surf`s program for 2 months and took fenugreek and saw palmetto. Saw palmetto is known to lower androgens so it must be fenugreek that gave me acne. Too much estrogen will give most people acne.(Unless you have low levels of estrogen)As soon as I stopped taking both my acne went back to normal levels. Also My sweat smelled really bad while taking fenugreek. Best wishes to all.....
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kate
(Login BObabe) Just to Clarify... March 17 2007, 10:55 PM
Hi, Melosh It's kinda tough to figure all this stuff out, but keep at it!
Wanted to Clarify again concerning BB as opposed to BO:
BB (Bountiful Breast) has bovine ovary + pituitary gland substance + kelp. This is why their site mentions raising progestrone levels (as well as estrogen)
BO is JUST Bovine Ovary.
I have been using BB and, though my skin is less than perfect, it is no worse than before I began taking the product. I can offer no personal breakout advise when it comes to any other form of BO.
I know you want to know the answer for sure, but the reality is that everybody's different. What is the skin solution for one can be hell for another.
I've recently added SP to my routine, not just for additional boob power, but hoping it will help with my breakouts. It works for some, I'll have to see if it works for me
Hope this makes some sense...
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melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 18 2007, 4:06 AM
Hi Kate
Are you saying pituitary glandular+kelp is what gives progestrone or is it their mixture with BO that gives progestrone? In other words if just BO gives estrogen and BO+pituitary glandular+kelp gives progestrone we must question what`s in PG and kelp that gives progestrone. It`s very confusing.Thanks for trying to help.Best wishes...
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wonderbride
(Login wonderbride)
SENIOR MEMBER questions about bo March 18 2007, 6:16 AM
for me personally, I started out on BB and it didn't make my breakouts any better or worse. I had about the same amount, which is occsional break outs on chin and forehead in my oily zone. After I added vitex to my routine, my brakouts cleared up in about 3 months. I stayed on vitex for 6 months and recently took a 2 1/2 month break from vitex. I've also switched from BB to just regular BO for 3 months now. I still have nice skin with only an occasional pimple on the forehead. So I don't think taking BO will make your acne any worst. I just added vitex back to my routine because I feel my body needs a bit more progesterone where my cycle is at right now. I adjust my supplements according to how I'm feeling and what my body tells me I need at anytime. Use you intuition, pay attention to your body and know your body well. I'll know what is good for you or not. Good luck.
Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve...
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kate
(Login BObabe) re: kelp in BB March 18 2007, 1:56 PM
My understanding is that kelp has nothing to do with either estrogen or progesterone, directly. I beleive it is added to the mix to support thyroid function ( iodine is a big factor in this) and thus aid in keeping body temp up high enough to enable growth to occur.
BB support recommended I add more kelp and L-Tytosine to my routine as I tend to run lower on the Temperature recommendations.
I added 1500 mg/day L-Tyrosine, which seems to be doing the trick, but decided against adding more kelp, as I find, personally that high doses off kelp make me break out worse. (Also have shellfish allergy and don't want to push iodine too high for that reason as well)
You had mentioned previously about Saw Palmetto and weight gain....I found it did make me retain water initially, but that since adding LT, this is no longer an issue, either.
This is just my personal experience, but hope it helps in your decision making quest!
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Martha
(no login) Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 9:06 AM
Although Sissy for one accepts BB's explanation of how this works, I found what they say to be very vague and unconvincing. They say that it's similar to homeopathy??? I get the impression thay are not entirely sure themselves about what their product does to you and what hormones it affects exactly.
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Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 11:05 AM
I was not stating a fact, my commment had some question marks in it I do believe??
The only thing I know for sure is that it makes my breast grow.
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Buffeee
(Login Buffeeee) Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 2:12 PM
SP made my breakouts go away when on an herbal routine. When I don't take anything at all, I get a few zits a week or so before my period. I've been pretty clear-skinned on BO.
For what it's worth, any kind of oil applied to my upper body (chest, shoulders, back, upper arms) will cause tiny whiteheads which are really annoying. That's one of the reasons I stopped massage. I save the oil for the lower half now.
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MyJourney
(Login Myjourney) Sandy March 21 2007, 3:11 PM
You wrote:
"15 Mg. Wild Yam Extract
and they also say the are progesterone based.That is wierd girls.."
Perhaps it is the Wild Yam that has the progesterone quality...I may be off...but I think Wild yam is progesterone...it was the basis for the first birth control pills. Either that or it raises progesterone.
Correct me if I am wrong...
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sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER lol.oh God this is weird March 21 2007, 6:44 PM
Yes the ultra breast contains wild yam,if the wild yam is what raises progesteroe it would be veryyyy odd because BB pills do not contain wild yam and they are also progesteron based.After all it is only 15 mg wild yam.it is a small quantity.Who knows..It is funny..
sandy
(no login) Just a question about DIM March 21 2007, 6:53 PM
Hi girls.Sorry if this had been asked before,but when using DIM with BO does it only change the bad estrogen as they say to good ones leaving the amount as it is, or does it decrease the level of estogen to balance it.I don't know if I was clear with my question.I finally placed my order and I ordered Dim plus too.thought to be somemhow safer.So will it affect growth?
March 16 2007 at 2:36 AM melosh (Login melosh)
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Hi ladies
I used herbs for several months and got acne and gained weight. I started taking vitex about 2 months ago and i shrunk on it. Girls in the other forum advised me to stick with vitex for 2 more months and said vitex balances estrogen levels and it could be the reason for initial shrinkage but once it starts to raise progestrone growth would begin. Also I have acne that I have been struggling with for 23 years and seems like vitex has helped vitex users greatly about acne. I have been using it for 2 months now and it takes 3 months to see some results so I want to continue taking vitex.
This is what I take
3600mg vitex
900mg nettle root
2 pills of silica in the form of horsetail(for hair growth)
just today added 160mg saw palmetto extract(hoping fatty acids in it and anti-androgenic effects help with acne)
Here are my questions
1)Does bovine ovary give you estrogen or progestrone?(estrogen gives me acne)
2)can I use bo with vitex?
3)I`m not skinny and I eat meat, do I still have to use protein shakes?(don`t want to gain weight)
4)can I do a liver cleanse with milk thisle without stopping vitex?
Thanks a lot ladies. I really wanna join the bo users group but I don`t want to start breaking out like I did on herbs. Best wishes to all.
Author Reply
wonderbride
(Login wonderbride)
SENIOR MEMBER questions about bo March 17 2007, 1:26 AM
Yes, you can use vitex with BO. You don't have to use protein shakes if you get enough protein with your diet. I don't anymore and I'm still growing. I think it's better to stop the vitex while doing a liver cleanse. You want to give your liver a break from all herbs. For the estrogen and progesterone question read the post on "BO contain only progesterone or estrogen too?" at http://www.network54.com/Forum/534125/thread/1166601871/last-1166839621/BO+contain+only+progesterone+or+estrogen+too-
If you search this forum or read the old posts a lot of information is already on this forum. Good luck.
Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve...
Sally Anne
(Login sally.anne)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 10:05 AM
Bovine ovary gives you estrogen, because that is what is found in ovaries. It doesn't give you progesterone, as that is not made in a cow's ovaries. Someone correct this advice if you have reason to think it's wrong.
Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 11:11 AM
On the FAQ page of BB's website, they state that their product is progesterone based. I would think that they happen to know that aspect of their product before posting it?
Edit Message Delete Message
Sally Anne
(Login sally.anne)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 1:14 PM
The question was about BO and not BB. This is an important difference, because BB contains pituitary glandular extract which has been said to increase progesterone, unlike the bovine ovary it contains which doesn't.
Edit Message Delete Message
sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER BO March 17 2007, 1:56 PM
I think it makes sense that BO is estrogen based,but ultra breast system pills do not contain pititary only
450 Mg. Bovine Ovary
50 Mg. Ipriflavone
15 Mg. Wild Yam Extract
and they also say the are progesterone based.That is wierd girls..
melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 6:58 PM
Hi girls
I read almost all of the posts in the BO forum and it seems like nobody knows if it BO gives estrogen or progestrone. BB clearly states that it raises progestrone levels. If it also raised estrogen I assume they would say it balances hormones or something.
Michelle and other girls who grew on BO; did you get acne while on BO or did you get a glowing skin? Too much estrogen usually gives acne(fenugreek gave me terrible acne)and a good supply of progestrone usually gives clear skin. That`s why pregnant women usually have beautiful skin cause progestrone goes crazy during pregnancy. Vitex seems to make a women`s body produce more progestrone and I assume that`s why women who use vitex stop getting acne.
Girls it`s very important for me to know what BO does. Once I start breaking out the blemishes don`t go away before 4-5 months and that means if I use something that gives me acne NOW I will go through this summer with short sleeved Ts NO TANK TOPS.(Acne covers my whole back and arms all the way down to my elbows)
I tried searching the net about BO but there`s not much info.
In the main form we know from past experiences of all the girls that;
Fenugreek usually gives acne(too much estrogen)
Saw palmetto usually causes weight gain if taken in large doses(must be the fatty acids it supplies the body with)
Red clover usually causes spotting etc.
IS BOVINE OVARY KNOWN FOR GIVING ACNE?
Thanks for taking your time and helping. I really appriciate your input. Happy growing wishes to all.
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Brenda
(no login) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 9:01 PM
I've seen Fenugreek described as an anti-acne herb, so I don't see how it can usually cause acne.
Edit Message Delete Message
melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 17 2007, 9:53 PM
I followed Surf`s program for 2 months and took fenugreek and saw palmetto. Saw palmetto is known to lower androgens so it must be fenugreek that gave me acne. Too much estrogen will give most people acne.(Unless you have low levels of estrogen)As soon as I stopped taking both my acne went back to normal levels. Also My sweat smelled really bad while taking fenugreek. Best wishes to all.....
Edit Message Delete Message
kate
(Login BObabe) Just to Clarify... March 17 2007, 10:55 PM
Hi, Melosh It's kinda tough to figure all this stuff out, but keep at it!
Wanted to Clarify again concerning BB as opposed to BO:
BB (Bountiful Breast) has bovine ovary + pituitary gland substance + kelp. This is why their site mentions raising progestrone levels (as well as estrogen)
BO is JUST Bovine Ovary.
I have been using BB and, though my skin is less than perfect, it is no worse than before I began taking the product. I can offer no personal breakout advise when it comes to any other form of BO.
I know you want to know the answer for sure, but the reality is that everybody's different. What is the skin solution for one can be hell for another.
I've recently added SP to my routine, not just for additional boob power, but hoping it will help with my breakouts. It works for some, I'll have to see if it works for me
Hope this makes some sense...
Edit Message Delete Message
melosh
(Login melosh) Re: Questions about bo March 18 2007, 4:06 AM
Hi Kate
Are you saying pituitary glandular+kelp is what gives progestrone or is it their mixture with BO that gives progestrone? In other words if just BO gives estrogen and BO+pituitary glandular+kelp gives progestrone we must question what`s in PG and kelp that gives progestrone. It`s very confusing.Thanks for trying to help.Best wishes...
Edit Message Delete Message
wonderbride
(Login wonderbride)
SENIOR MEMBER questions about bo March 18 2007, 6:16 AM
for me personally, I started out on BB and it didn't make my breakouts any better or worse. I had about the same amount, which is occsional break outs on chin and forehead in my oily zone. After I added vitex to my routine, my brakouts cleared up in about 3 months. I stayed on vitex for 6 months and recently took a 2 1/2 month break from vitex. I've also switched from BB to just regular BO for 3 months now. I still have nice skin with only an occasional pimple on the forehead. So I don't think taking BO will make your acne any worst. I just added vitex back to my routine because I feel my body needs a bit more progesterone where my cycle is at right now. I adjust my supplements according to how I'm feeling and what my body tells me I need at anytime. Use you intuition, pay attention to your body and know your body well. I'll know what is good for you or not. Good luck.
Whatever the mind can conceive, it can achieve...
Edit Message Delete Message
kate
(Login BObabe) re: kelp in BB March 18 2007, 1:56 PM
My understanding is that kelp has nothing to do with either estrogen or progesterone, directly. I beleive it is added to the mix to support thyroid function ( iodine is a big factor in this) and thus aid in keeping body temp up high enough to enable growth to occur.
BB support recommended I add more kelp and L-Tytosine to my routine as I tend to run lower on the Temperature recommendations.
I added 1500 mg/day L-Tyrosine, which seems to be doing the trick, but decided against adding more kelp, as I find, personally that high doses off kelp make me break out worse. (Also have shellfish allergy and don't want to push iodine too high for that reason as well)
You had mentioned previously about Saw Palmetto and weight gain....I found it did make me retain water initially, but that since adding LT, this is no longer an issue, either.
This is just my personal experience, but hope it helps in your decision making quest!
Edit Message Delete Message
Martha
(no login) Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 9:06 AM
Although Sissy for one accepts BB's explanation of how this works, I found what they say to be very vague and unconvincing. They say that it's similar to homeopathy??? I get the impression thay are not entirely sure themselves about what their product does to you and what hormones it affects exactly.
Edit Message Delete Message
Sissy
(Login sissy2345)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 11:05 AM
I was not stating a fact, my commment had some question marks in it I do believe??
The only thing I know for sure is that it makes my breast grow.
Edit Message Delete Message
Buffeee
(Login Buffeeee) Re: Questions about bo March 20 2007, 2:12 PM
SP made my breakouts go away when on an herbal routine. When I don't take anything at all, I get a few zits a week or so before my period. I've been pretty clear-skinned on BO.
For what it's worth, any kind of oil applied to my upper body (chest, shoulders, back, upper arms) will cause tiny whiteheads which are really annoying. That's one of the reasons I stopped massage. I save the oil for the lower half now.
Edit Message Delete Message
MyJourney
(Login Myjourney) Sandy March 21 2007, 3:11 PM
You wrote:
"15 Mg. Wild Yam Extract
and they also say the are progesterone based.That is wierd girls.."
Perhaps it is the Wild Yam that has the progesterone quality...I may be off...but I think Wild yam is progesterone...it was the basis for the first birth control pills. Either that or it raises progesterone.
Correct me if I am wrong...
Edit Message Delete Message
sandy
(Login sandy111)
SENIOR MEMBER lol.oh God this is weird March 21 2007, 6:44 PM
Yes the ultra breast contains wild yam,if the wild yam is what raises progesteroe it would be veryyyy odd because BB pills do not contain wild yam and they are also progesteron based.After all it is only 15 mg wild yam.it is a small quantity.Who knows..It is funny..
sandy
(no login) Just a question about DIM March 21 2007, 6:53 PM
Hi girls.Sorry if this had been asked before,but when using DIM with BO does it only change the bad estrogen as they say to good ones leaving the amount as it is, or does it decrease the level of estogen to balance it.I don't know if I was clear with my question.I finally placed my order and I ordered Dim plus too.thought to be somemhow safer.So will it affect growth?