[beachbumbythesea]

Hi, beachbumbythesea! How old are you? What is your program - what do you take? Only PM? What dosage of MP? Do you cycle? What did you take before starting PM? Do you exercise? What happens when you take SP?

From just reading Dr.Lee's book you won't know if you have low progesterone or not. It can be anything - low estrogen and even lower progesterone, high estrogen and low progesterone (estrogen dominance), high DHT and low estrogen and progesterone.. It really can be anything.. If I were to give an advice I would say you either need to have your hormones checked by a doctor or you can try and find out your hormonal status by yourself. Either do saliva tests or do your basal body temperature charting, you can find all the information about it in my program. I described what kind of imbalance gives certain BBT Charts with examples (estrogen dominance, luteal phase deficiency, so on). I find it most useful myself.

When I started NBE I used herbs and I knew nothing about my own hormones. Needless to say that I really messed my cycle and my hormones then. I was taking high doses of estrogenic and prolactogenic herbs throughout my cycle and that resulted in me having high estrogen and prolactin and low progesterone. I used herbs and PC to correct it. Then I learned that luteal phase of the cycle is all about progesterone, not estrogen. I still use PC, just a little and only in luteal phase of the cycle. PC also makes estrogen receptors more sensitive to estrogen because many girls' problem is NOT low estrogen (they have enough of it) but just "stupid receptors don't understand it"!

Btw, my boobs grew when I was only using PC and nothing else! I know that Wahaika says PC actually stopps all growth but it didn't happen in my case. The growth I got from PC stayed, so it wasn't a temporary swelling.

Btw, I believe that to achieve growth you need to work with all hormones, not just estrogen. In puberty both estrogen and progesterone are high, prolactin too, and tons of other very important hormones like growthhormone.

So, I would advise you do BBT charting. It is complicated in the beginning and annoying at times (you have to do it first thing in the morning after you wake up at the same time every day) but it's worth it. You will be able to see what kind of deficiency (hormonal) you have after 1-2 months.

Ginie if you put progesterone on the breast only what would that do help or would it mess anything up or no point in using it straight on breast.

Boy what a pain with these hormones.. Well I have been reading alot and just going by my symptoms (cause least then a year ago and before I have had a ton of dif tests done from hormones, thyroid, immune, and all are normal) but my symptoms always narrow down to high adrogens so I did alot of reading and the one that was so me was adrenal fatigue which makes sense cause from 2007 to about 6 months ago I was through 3 deaths (my mom, grandma her mom, my husband), plus my husband and I were suppose to divorce now I am widow, losing my house/job, then my ex bestfriend she took 99% of my stuff from my house, then I had an ex bf who physically and mentally abused me, also had give my cat to my sister then she past away (cat not sister), but I am doing really good now found an awesome man and looking for work to get my own place (cant wait never lived alone and sooooooooo looking forward to that, but wouldnt mind living with my new man either) anyway, I looked into natural ways to help the adrenals which when they are fatigued they lead to high androgens so they said borage oil which I am taking already helps repair/restore the adrenals and SP I decided to keep taking which helps the androgens.. as for the PM I wrote in other threads I started not sure which of why I am taking FG right ..short verison I am not home but will be this weekend.. so I will stop FG and go back to PM..FG is doing pretty good though but just me I feel PM my help other things too.. just my gut.. anyway as for the progesterone I will read more on that and try and do what you mentioned grrrrrrrrrrr not good at keeping charts.. if you read the other threads I started then you can get a better picture of what is happening how much I was taking of PM last week and why I am not..etc. OH I am 47 that is why I was thinking I may need progest. and why I believe my estrogen in low well probably bc of the androgens.. When things start looking and feeling like they are working I will update in my program and revamp my program.

Thank you for replying. Very interesting of how you got growth with adding the progest.