16-01-2024, 08:40
Jan 12-16
New supplements arrived, (DIM, Iodine, Borage Oil caps, topical evening primrose oil (EPO), I started taking them pre-emptively but something told me to look into it more and try cycling them instead of just jumping right into them. I also noticed I was getting headaches soon after and (TMI) my pee was during bright orange soooo…..decided to listen to my body and chill tf out on taking everything at once lol.
I've decided to work on a cycling program, In the meantime, I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing now but only add in borage oil pills and EPO. I want to introduce things slowly and those two feel the safest to start with as well as monitor if they help with breast tissue changes, specifically in getting rid of fibrocystic tissue, which is what I'm hoping for, and see that tissue change into healthy breast tissue.
I also bought a manual breast pump from amazon since I was itching to start pumping but unable to use the automatic one I'm testing for James yet. It was just the 30$ set on amazon with the one size contoured cups.
So far I can say it's a bit finicky, I don’t think my breasts are a great shape for it? OR the cups are too small? Doesn't feel like it cause they hardly fill the cup but are also too wide for the opening?? If that makes sense….placing them can kind of be annoying, and if not place right they lose suction so I know of focus on one at a time alternating back and forth then massaging and them back to pumping. Honestly just playing around and getting used to pumping and how I best want to do it. Automatic is going to be a game changer in comparison to manual though I know for sure.
I'm also using the cups on other parts of my body. Specifically side of hips and butt. Just for fun to see if it does anything.
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Since being sick and basically have like 3 week off of NBE, I finally am back to taking sups consistently everyday.
So far my stack (per day) is:
Saw palmetto (2x) = 1080mg
Vitex (2x) = 800mg
MSM (3x) = 3000mg
Vit K2 + D3 (1x) = 120mcg + 25 mcg
Slippery Elm (1x) = 400mg
B12 (1x morning) = 1200mcg
GABA (1x night) = 500mg
Womens Probiotic (1x)
Zinc(1x with food) = 50mg
Borage Oil (2x) = 2000mg
High dose cranberry (when needed for UTI) = 20,000 mg
High dose Lysine (when needed for cold sores) - 1000-3000mg
1 small scoop of L-Glutamine, Moringa, Ground Flax and (SMALL SCOOP, like half or less than during SF method) of soy flour + protien powder in shakes 1-2 times per day.
( I know I said I wasn't doing SF method anymore, but I realized that I can just heavily reduce the amount I'm taking compared to cutting it out completely. I just have to be mindful of how much I have and make sure I incorporate exercise)
Bio-Identical progesterone Cream: 3 pumps at night after my massage
New custom mixture of massage oils:
Fenugreek EO + Cinnamon EO + Vit E + Sweet almond + Evening primrose oils
Fennel EO + Lavender EO + Vit E + Sweet Almond + Evening primrose oils
Using these after heating pad from 15-30+ mins.
Massage 5-15 mins, use pump, alternating sides for the next 15-30+ mins
Massage again for a short while, add nipple correctors for however long feels comfortable or I will just sleep with them on and they fall off at some point in the night.
I also sometimes tape my nips at night to attempt to correct the angle they are on (they got fucked up and now have a slight inward angle to them from old piercing's and wearing the wrong bras and sleeping on my side when they were healing) unsure if this will actually work but doesn't hurt to try since I'm literally trying everything else apparently lol
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Since being home and adding a pump and more frequent and longer massage into my routine, there is a NOTICABLE diffrence in firmness and shape again. When I was off NBE for the 3 weeks, it's like they kind of went back to their flatter less firm looking selves. I can definitely say, massage is a huge contributor to making your breasts more round and perky looking and helping how they appear in a bra/ in general. I wish it wasn't so tedious to sit and massage multiple times a day because some people don't have that type of time or even privacy but daily massage goes a long way. Unsure if having the fenugreek, fennel, lavender, cinnamon oil is helping, and I JUST added the evening primrose oil topically so I have no comment on that as of yet either. regardless, all of these oils make my skin super soft and i know will help with stretch marks ect.
Wanted to see what my growth was at since they visually look different than 3-4 weeks ago so decided to take measurements and this is what they are so far.
Jan 12/15
Bust: 33in
Upper: 32.5 in
Under: 30
I measured the day after pumping/massage and then again a couple days later, when it had been 24 hours right BEFORE I was pumping/massaging and it was a consistent 33 inches.
So whatever .5 increase I had must've either been a poor measurement on my part, or related to swelling. OR getting sick and stopping NBE for 3 weeks super messed up my progress. SO many factors and I'm unsure which one it is.
I look back in my notes and see on Dec 5 I took a measurement of 33.5, and this was while I was doing the SF/Flax method + taking MACA and FG, and one measurement previous to that on Nov 20 of 32.8. So it seems in the week of starting SF method I actually went up in size by .2 if you minus the swelling? I'm kinda sad that the upper chest hasn't moved at all...its super disheartening how flat it still looks. I focus a lot of my massage in the center and upper chest + keep my heating pad in that area the longest. Unsure what I'm doing wrong, if there's maybe a better massage technique I can try to see better results.
Unsure if this is directly related to the SF method or the MACA and FG creating swelling or the combo of all of these thing making me gain some extra weight and causing general weight gain + swelling but regardless, I went to slowly keep experimenting and seeing what works. SO insane how my body refuses to put fat in my chest area...kind of a piss off tbh lol XD
If it is the case that the SF method worked specially for the fact that the phytoestrogens in the SF ect were doing something, then adding it in small amounts may help.
IF its all the MACA and FG doing it then I will have to find a way to incorporate those herbs without its creating unwanted side effects again (fat gain in places I don’t want)
Regardless, I plan to keep testing things. I'm realizing now, in this month cycle, I really haven't taken anything very estrogenic, I'm kind of avoiding anything too strong cause I'm just being cautious of E dominance and don't want to make things worse. But this is a helpful test to focus on Progesterone, anti-androgens ect and seeing what that alone can do. So far, adding PC and upping the dosage while in luteal hasn't done much for me, which is unfortunate, I figure it might help growth a little.
Unless I'm super low in P and this is finally helping it be just...normal, but not enough for NBE OR the PC I have is bunk and doesn't work the best. (Still plan on using it and finishing it and then maybe investing in a better brand)
NOTES:
New supplements arrived, (DIM, Iodine, Borage Oil caps, topical evening primrose oil (EPO), I started taking them pre-emptively but something told me to look into it more and try cycling them instead of just jumping right into them. I also noticed I was getting headaches soon after and (TMI) my pee was during bright orange soooo…..decided to listen to my body and chill tf out on taking everything at once lol.
I've decided to work on a cycling program, In the meantime, I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing now but only add in borage oil pills and EPO. I want to introduce things slowly and those two feel the safest to start with as well as monitor if they help with breast tissue changes, specifically in getting rid of fibrocystic tissue, which is what I'm hoping for, and see that tissue change into healthy breast tissue.
I also bought a manual breast pump from amazon since I was itching to start pumping but unable to use the automatic one I'm testing for James yet. It was just the 30$ set on amazon with the one size contoured cups.
So far I can say it's a bit finicky, I don’t think my breasts are a great shape for it? OR the cups are too small? Doesn't feel like it cause they hardly fill the cup but are also too wide for the opening?? If that makes sense….placing them can kind of be annoying, and if not place right they lose suction so I know of focus on one at a time alternating back and forth then massaging and them back to pumping. Honestly just playing around and getting used to pumping and how I best want to do it. Automatic is going to be a game changer in comparison to manual though I know for sure.
I'm also using the cups on other parts of my body. Specifically side of hips and butt. Just for fun to see if it does anything.
---------
Since being sick and basically have like 3 week off of NBE, I finally am back to taking sups consistently everyday.
So far my stack (per day) is:
Saw palmetto (2x) = 1080mg
Vitex (2x) = 800mg
MSM (3x) = 3000mg
Vit K2 + D3 (1x) = 120mcg + 25 mcg
Slippery Elm (1x) = 400mg
B12 (1x morning) = 1200mcg
GABA (1x night) = 500mg
Womens Probiotic (1x)
Zinc(1x with food) = 50mg
Borage Oil (2x) = 2000mg
High dose cranberry (when needed for UTI) = 20,000 mg
High dose Lysine (when needed for cold sores) - 1000-3000mg
1 small scoop of L-Glutamine, Moringa, Ground Flax and (SMALL SCOOP, like half or less than during SF method) of soy flour + protien powder in shakes 1-2 times per day.
( I know I said I wasn't doing SF method anymore, but I realized that I can just heavily reduce the amount I'm taking compared to cutting it out completely. I just have to be mindful of how much I have and make sure I incorporate exercise)
Bio-Identical progesterone Cream: 3 pumps at night after my massage
New custom mixture of massage oils:
Fenugreek EO + Cinnamon EO + Vit E + Sweet almond + Evening primrose oils
Fennel EO + Lavender EO + Vit E + Sweet Almond + Evening primrose oils
Using these after heating pad from 15-30+ mins.
Massage 5-15 mins, use pump, alternating sides for the next 15-30+ mins
Massage again for a short while, add nipple correctors for however long feels comfortable or I will just sleep with them on and they fall off at some point in the night.
I also sometimes tape my nips at night to attempt to correct the angle they are on (they got fucked up and now have a slight inward angle to them from old piercing's and wearing the wrong bras and sleeping on my side when they were healing) unsure if this will actually work but doesn't hurt to try since I'm literally trying everything else apparently lol
------
Since being home and adding a pump and more frequent and longer massage into my routine, there is a NOTICABLE diffrence in firmness and shape again. When I was off NBE for the 3 weeks, it's like they kind of went back to their flatter less firm looking selves. I can definitely say, massage is a huge contributor to making your breasts more round and perky looking and helping how they appear in a bra/ in general. I wish it wasn't so tedious to sit and massage multiple times a day because some people don't have that type of time or even privacy but daily massage goes a long way. Unsure if having the fenugreek, fennel, lavender, cinnamon oil is helping, and I JUST added the evening primrose oil topically so I have no comment on that as of yet either. regardless, all of these oils make my skin super soft and i know will help with stretch marks ect.
Wanted to see what my growth was at since they visually look different than 3-4 weeks ago so decided to take measurements and this is what they are so far.
Jan 12/15
Bust: 33in
Upper: 32.5 in
Under: 30
I measured the day after pumping/massage and then again a couple days later, when it had been 24 hours right BEFORE I was pumping/massaging and it was a consistent 33 inches.
So whatever .5 increase I had must've either been a poor measurement on my part, or related to swelling. OR getting sick and stopping NBE for 3 weeks super messed up my progress. SO many factors and I'm unsure which one it is.
I look back in my notes and see on Dec 5 I took a measurement of 33.5, and this was while I was doing the SF/Flax method + taking MACA and FG, and one measurement previous to that on Nov 20 of 32.8. So it seems in the week of starting SF method I actually went up in size by .2 if you minus the swelling? I'm kinda sad that the upper chest hasn't moved at all...its super disheartening how flat it still looks. I focus a lot of my massage in the center and upper chest + keep my heating pad in that area the longest. Unsure what I'm doing wrong, if there's maybe a better massage technique I can try to see better results.
Unsure if this is directly related to the SF method or the MACA and FG creating swelling or the combo of all of these thing making me gain some extra weight and causing general weight gain + swelling but regardless, I went to slowly keep experimenting and seeing what works. SO insane how my body refuses to put fat in my chest area...kind of a piss off tbh lol XD
If it is the case that the SF method worked specially for the fact that the phytoestrogens in the SF ect were doing something, then adding it in small amounts may help.
IF its all the MACA and FG doing it then I will have to find a way to incorporate those herbs without its creating unwanted side effects again (fat gain in places I don’t want)
Regardless, I plan to keep testing things. I'm realizing now, in this month cycle, I really haven't taken anything very estrogenic, I'm kind of avoiding anything too strong cause I'm just being cautious of E dominance and don't want to make things worse. But this is a helpful test to focus on Progesterone, anti-androgens ect and seeing what that alone can do. So far, adding PC and upping the dosage while in luteal hasn't done much for me, which is unfortunate, I figure it might help growth a little.
Unless I'm super low in P and this is finally helping it be just...normal, but not enough for NBE OR the PC I have is bunk and doesn't work the best. (Still plan on using it and finishing it and then maybe investing in a better brand)
NOTES:
- I plan on adding hops and shatavari into next months cycle to bring in E supporting hormones.
Hopefully that creates some progress along with the current stuff I'm already taking/doing.
- Currently waiting on milk thistle, nettle and licorice tea to come in to add some stuff to my program that's NOT in capsule form lol.
- Bought 20% volufiline balm stick that was recommended in the discord to see if adding it to my chest, hips/butt and lips can make any visible changes.
- As always, drinking more than enough water, using all my different oil to massage and using the heating pad prior to massage. Only once per day so far, as my sleep is very opposite most peoples and I don’t get around to doing it until after 10pm most days (because of my job) and I still have to juggle eating and other stuff into my day. But I try to make it count by at least 15-30+ mins of massage and manual pumping