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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 4:02 PM
Yes, I usually get a lot of aches and tingles especially when I first start something new. Then as I get used to it, not so much just slight aches. But with the single herbs I sometimes would get more aches when I forgot to take them for a few days. I think it has something to do with the fact that I breastfeed 3 little ones so i probably am more sensitive to hormone changes than most women. With WU I experienced a TON of aches when I first started. With magnets I also experienced a lot of aches especially during the beginning. I don't massage so I guess maybe I just don't notice the aches as much as others do who massage. Massage is supposed to be very important, so I'm not saying you don't need it. I'm just very busy and after the grow yours routine I guess I am burned out on massage for a long time now. I also feel that massage produces temporary swelling, which I don't want. I want true growth, not just swelling. But on the other hand it helps with circulation which seems like that would maybe help the herbs go to the right place, kinda like to wake them up (Hey herbs, over here!). And to clear the lymph and junk in there which might help them to function better and the herbs to take effect better.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 2 2008, 1:56 AM
I have been drinking slimfast shakes and have lost some fullness in my boobs. For the past few days i have been noticing some itching on the nipples. Not sure what this is. I have not been using magnets for a long time now. So it can't be that. I'm thinking the loss in fullness is making them rub against inside my bra? This is depressing. I have come so far but I do want to lose a few pounds. Guess I have to save up for another bb machine. and maybe that will stop the loss from coming from there.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 7 2008, 3:51 AM
Well I was right about having lost some fullness. But not as bad as I thought. I am still going to stop drinking slimfast or anything to try to lose weight until I can get me another BB to keep it from coming off from there.
This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 29"
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 37"
armpit level: 36.5"
I'm not going to post pics because it doesn't look much different and I didn't gain anything. I can tell some of the fullness above the nipple area is gone but that's all that is noticible. I still fill out my new bras but there is no cleavage coming out the top anymore. I have been on antibiotics for a sinus infection so that probably didn't help either.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 23 2008, 1:23 AM
well been slacking off again but have been feeling aches so maybe what little I have been taking when I do remember is enough, but probably not. I can feel some big swollen lobes though.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:24 AM
@ nipple 37.75" so lost a quarter inch this month
I have ordered a set of XL bb domes and going to use these with a breastmilk pump to similate the BB machine. They should be arriving sometime this week. Once I have used these for a few weeks, I plan to try to lose some weight. Hopefully this will help to prevent the weight from coming off my boobs (modeling this after louise who was able to lose weight and yet gained boobs with brava).
In the meantime, I am going to give magnets another try. Maybe this will help kick start things since WU doesn't seem to be doing much on its own. Also going to try 6 WU a day (up from 4/day). I might even do a little massage. I guess it is normal not to grow every month. But I am so used to it that I feel really down that I'm suddenly not growing anymore. I know this is not my genetic limit because I have already been larger than this even as a teenager. So i'm not giving up. I'm so close to my goal. I also wonder if WU just doesn't affect my body. With single herbs i had horrible acne even on a very low dose of fenugreek. and yet with a much higher dose in WU I don't get acne.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:39 AM
also wanted to add that I have done a little (very little) massage and have noticed that one of the broken capillaries is getting a lot smaller. it is barely noticable now. the other one closer to the nipple appears unchanged. i am going to do a little bit of fingertip massage directly to these areas, since i think the little bit of massage i have done so far is what has helped to heal the one.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 9:31 PM
I also forgot to use the pc during my last and first week of cycle this last time around. not sure now much impact that had but needs noting. I haven't taken collagen in a long time since I ran out and can't seem to find more. I am also going to try to drink more water and add more protein to my diet. I haven't been drinking soy or eating much meat lately. I've been drinking a lot of soda lately. I've been so bad. I will give wu on more try and if no significant growth this month I'm gonna switch back to single herbs. I know they say to give it 6 months but I responded quickly to single herbs so I am rather disappointed.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 10 2008, 2:10 AM
BB domes arrived. I will begin using a homemade airlock with these once or twice a day until I can get either a BB or another eventflo pump to use with the BB domes.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:38 AM
ok so after reviewing my program history I find that I had my most rapid growth when I was taking single herbs very low dose only 1000mg daily, often missing this dose and also taking collagen and gelatin at least when i remembered. Think I will add the gelatin back in, order me some more collagen and give that a go to see if maybe I require these in order to grow. If this doesn't make the wu work I will go back to single herbs once this bottle runs out. I really don't understand why wu wouldn't work just like all the other single herbs I was taking. Unless my body just doesn't like extract form of herbs. this would be the first attempt at extract herbs taken internally.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:40 AM
oh and I'm already sick of the BB domes with airlock. I have got to save up for the real machine. airlocking sucks!
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Re: kieyah's program page May 15 2008, 2:55 AM
starting to get pimples again. Not sure if this means the WU is starting to work or if it is a bad sign. I definately don't like acne but will continue until they are gone. I will lower my dose to only 2 a day PM.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 21 2008, 12:22 AM
starting collagen again, only 2 WU a day, and melatonin. taking these at night. no massage and not using suction. going to order a real BB soon.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 25 2008, 5:29 AM
Good news I am noticing some slight achiness today. Hopefully things will pick back up again. I have added back in my herbal med because my diaphram is hurting again. It has a few things in it that could possibly be nbe beneficial. So just wanted to note that. So program has been:
1 women's multivitamin
2 Wonder-up per day (extremely low dose but should put me close to when i was taking single herbs)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (when I remember which isn't very often)
2 Collagen with vit C
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total (just for a week or so to help with the new pimples I'm getting wiht WU)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
3 tablets herbal blend med:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg
That's it. Still not massaging. I keep thinking I will give that a try again. And I keep thinking i'm going to add magnets in again but I haven't yet. I may not do either since I'm planning to give BB a try again. should be getting my BB machine by the end of this week.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 31 2008, 2:59 AM
Starting BB today. so won't be taking anymore pics until after BB finished, otherwise it would be pic of swelling not true growth. I will continue to measure each month and maybe even each week, to help determine if BB is having effect. Probably have to measure before and after BB session to know how much swelling and how much is maintained. After a few weeks and I am able to maintain some swelling throughout the day, I will begin trying to lose weight. With the idea that losing weight while using BB will keep the weight from coming off my boobs. I will continue with WU and others until WU runs out then will go back to single herbs.
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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2008, 10:00 PM
For the past week I am using once a day for 60 minutes at about 10 o'clock on firm setting. I of course slowly worked up to this, but for the past couple days I have been at that setting. So far I am maintaining about a half cup size swelling from BB that is staying all day. Very nice! It seems the swelling is staying much longer than I remember from the first time I tried this so maybe there is hope for more growth!
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Re: kieyah's program page June 13 2008, 3:50 AM
woops more like 9 o'clock maybe just below that. I don't want to have marks or pain so I plan to just very slowly work my way up. I still don't have silicone sheeting. It is so expensive now. Guess I have to save up for it. I am still maintaining at least half a cup size increase throughout the day until my next session. I can just barely still wear the same size bras. If I swell anymore than this I will have to find some bras to wear during swelling stage. I hope it is ok to continue wearing tight bras. I do suction at night so when I start doing twice a day I will probably have to get new bras. So far no marks. I am going to try to re-dedicate myself to drinking the gelatin mixes again.
I am going to start drinking slimfast shakes and possibly start an exercise routine to try to lose weight. So I don't know if I should even expect any growth at all, or just to maintain what I already have. I have been considering doing some light massaging because they get sore and feel very heavy. I can feel what seems like one really huge lobe inside them both. It reminds be of when I was a teenager except that it is a bit deeper inside. So I hope this is maybe a good sign.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2008, 6:07 AM
After five months on wonderup it is cycle day 5 and 3 days without bb so I measured. I am still at 38.5" @ nipple. So I have had no growth from wu. I am not going to continue with it anymore. I am going to continue for now taking the other suppliments and BB. I may start single herbs again. Haven't decided yet. I am pretty upset having wasted all these months on wu. I really wanted it to work. It was so much easier just to swallow a couple pills a day rather than a handful at a time.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2008, 7:41 PM
This is really weird my last post is gone. anyway I am starting this on date of 7/19/08.
I am adding individual herbs back in, might take another break from bb and trying to get used to wearing magnets for a short period each day. So I never grew on wu and it seems that I should have grown with wu since it is similar. I may have reached my growth limit, or maybe wu just wasn't for me. I guess we shall see what happens. I will repost my doses later.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 4 2008, 7:22 PM
up until now i have been taking 500mg each
fenugreek
fennel
hops
dong quai
licorice
stopping fenugreek due to breakouts again, upping fennel to 1000mg instead.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 5 2008, 7:49 PM
What cup size are you at now? And what was the biggest you have gotten through out the whole time you have been taking the herbs?
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Oh I Forgot! August 6 2008, 11:03 PM
Kieyah, you know what has really helped me with the breakouts that stem from fenugreek? It is a Zinc supplement with at least 15 mg of zonc in each dose, as well as some witch hazel. You will start ti notice the difference.
Also, I would like to say I am encouraged to continue with my NBE plans after seeing your great results. I would just like to know what size did you go up to?
Thanks, again
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:00 PM
Sorry to take so long replying. i don't check this page very often. I am currently a full 34D or 32E. I do overflow the cups a little, sometimes more than others. This IS the biggest i have ever been while taking herbs. I may have reached my nbe limit. But I am going to give individual herbs one more chance and see what happens. starting slow and very low dose so shouldn't really be expecting anything for a few months until I reach the right dose.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:40 PM
this month's measurements:
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
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here is a more complete list of what I have been taking:
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these I take in PM and I never miss a dose:
ortho tri-cyclen
fennel 1000mg
hops 500mg
dong quai 500mg (I am increasing this to 1000mg starting today)
licorice 45mg
hops 500mg
5-HTP 200mg
allergy meds
these I take in AM and often forget:
collagen 1480mg
kelp or spirulina 500mg
other vitamins (vit-C, calcium, l-glutamate)
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 10:23 PM
I was just wondering do you have any updated pictures of your "new" size?
Thanks again.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 12 2008, 3:52 AM
My most recent picture on my picture page is what i look like now. I haven't grown anymore in five or so months (since trying wonderup). No loss/no gain, just the same. When/if I start growing again now that I am switching to individual herbs then I will be posting new pics each month again, if I grow anymore.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 22 2008, 4:05 AM
I have been sick for a couple weeks now, and still going. No herbs for more than a week now.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 3:14 AM
I am taking a break from nbe. I occationally still do bb though. I just wanted to add a note so noone thinks i've been sick ALL this time! I won't be checking in as much.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 1:34 PM
Kieyah,
When you say BB, is that bountiful breast?
Have you kept all your growth so far? Did you see a decrease at all when stopping herbs?
I wanted to ask you about your BO experience. Did it make you grow at all? What kinds of things did you experience? What things to do you think worked best to let you grow?
You really had great results and I would love to get results like that.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2008, 3:09 AM
You are truly inspiring. To see your before and then after pics, it gives me hope!
I was just wondering how long it took you to get to this size you are now? It says on your program Page you started on Feb. 2006 and continued until? So you have been doing this for approximately 2 years? WOW! That's called determination! I would love to become a Full DD, if it takes 2 years then I will do it, as long as I reach my end goal.
I hope you do come back on here soon!
Oh yah, since stopping have you lost anything?
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Re: kieyah's program page November 19 2008, 10:20 PM
Hi, sorry I haven't been around much. Yes I've been doing this for a LONG time! But it has been worth it. And I'm not even done yet. Anytime I talk about BB I am referring to the bosom beauty machine. That was the very first thing I ever tried and then I found out about herbs and so on.
I have never tried bountiful breast. I did very briefly try the DNE brand BO back when it was actually BO (now it is PO). ANyway it didn't agree with me. It made me very dizzy and I got scared of it. It could have been that the other herbs I was coming off of were still in my system so I may have been overloaded. I have considered trying it again one day but I still get scared when I think about the possible risk of MCD. I wasn't on it long enough for any real growth. I am getting my hormones tested after my next cycle so I expect to find out if my hormones are still out of wack or not. After that I am considering restarting herbs. I'm still doing BB once in a while but not routinely.
On the asking whether I lost anything. When I completely stopped herbs I felt like I had lost some fullness, but when I measured it was always the same. I haven't measured in some time so I will with my next cycle. I also quit BCP but I still get the swelling/puffiness with my cycles that I did on the pill. I don't know what that means but I know I didn't get that for many many years before and I wanted to make note of it. Maybe it's a good thing? or maybe it means my hormones are still messed up. If they are and I can get them fixed maybe that alone will help get me to growing again. Or maybe I've reached my limit if there is one. I am honored to be an inspiration and I do think they are lovely now, but unfortunately they just still don't balance out my figure yet.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 3:26 AM
Thanks so much for replying.
My main problem with NBE is that I never continue. You inspired me because you actually followed through and got really good results. I only wish I could get results like you.
I am a 32A/32 small B and would love to be a full D or even a Double D! I am so self-conscious that it almost prevents me from achieving my NBE goals. If I don't see results right away, I get discouraged and give up. Can you give me any advice on how you continued on your program for so long? I just need to find one thing and stick with it. I never even take anything long enough to see results, I am just too impatient because it really affects my self-esteem. I just want it now, which I know is not going to happen. But for some reason I can't help myself. I DO NOT want implants but some times I wonder what it would be like to finally reach a full D, which could be achieved instantly through getting implants. My main reason for doing NBE is to feel better about myself and they way I look.
Congrats on the growth again and its good to hear you have not lost anything. What do you mean they still don't balance out your figure yet? Too big? Too small? I would love to say that my breasts are lovely and perhaps one day I will. You will continue to be an inspiration to me as I seen you do this so I know it can be done I just need to give it time.
How did you remain determined, focused, persistent, and consistent for 2 years? Please let me know your secret.
Thanks again for responding.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 6:15 AM
Hi Keiyah, I hope you dont mind my posting here, I am one month into my program and haven't seen a real difference yet, but will keep going with it for another month or so to see what happens. If it doesn't work, I would like to try your program, your story sounds just like mine and your starting pic looks almost like mine too, I am hopeful I can get to the smae point you have!! I miss filling out my tops!
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Re: kieyah's program page November 22 2008, 5:01 AM
how did I stick with it? I guess it was because I was so consumed with it all. I spent lots of time on here and on the internet researching. I was constantly finding new ideas to try so when I grew too bored with something I tried something else for a while or just added it to my routine. I also read lots of success stores on here and that helped to keep me going.
I grew sick of routines too and was very eager for quick results. It takes time to learn patience. I like to think that the longer it takes, the more likely it is to be permanent.
They still don't balance out because I have fat chunky thighs. I either need to gain more boobs to balance it out or lose weight and keep my boobs. I'd rather lose weight but that's not happening for me.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 28 2008, 12:14 AM
Ok measurements now are:
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
underbust: 29"
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Re: kieyah's program page December 8 2008, 10:21 PM
I am back to using BB daily and taking collagen, zinc, and starting back on gelatin.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:46 AM
I am going to start keeping a diary of my bb usage.
I have been using most days for 30 minutes once a day @ 9 o'clock with xl domes. they are completely filled widthwise even before I start pumping, and nearly full heightwise even at this low setting and short time. I have no idea what I will do when these are outgrown, which will probably be very soon. I can tape my nips down for a little while, then I guess I will have to stop and move on to something else.
If anyone has any ideas what I can do to adapt the domes to fit bigger? would be great!
I still want about another half cup and then as long as I like the shape of then I will be done.
I have starting setting the domes far apart as possible covering only half way (nips to armpit) to try to grow the outter sides (they are very close-set) for about 10-15 mins each session. I'm considering using magnets again. I can't think of anything else to note for now.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:50 AM
My measurements today:
@ nipple: 39.25"
above nipple: 38"
armpit level: 37.5"
underbust: 29"
it's weird because it doesn't look any different to me.
It has been at least three days since I last pumped but it is still important to note that I am using bb again (though not everyday) so some, if not all, of this increase is due to swelling (especially since I am not doing any other form of nbe). I am also starting to exercise and eating less to try to lose weight. I did not continue to take gelatin, zinc, or collagen everyday as I had planned (big surprise). I have found I have really bad allergies which keeps my throat feeling raw, swollen, and sore so that must be why I just hate taking pills so much and tend to gag on them.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 4:49 AM
Do you have any new pics of your new size?
I am amazed at your growth. You really inspire me to go on because I see that NBE is possible it just takes some work.
Thanks for posting your routine and pics.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2009, 9:32 PM
No I haven't taken any new pics. I think it would be kind of dishonest to post new pics yet since I am using the bb pump again. it is likely nothing but swelling at this point. Others might misinterpret it as growth. When I have finished or at least taken a break for several months straight then I would consider what is left to be more permanent growth and will take new pics then. I am only posting my measurements to keep track of to see if they increase, go up and down, or just retain over the duration of my bb routine. I'm sure they will go down slowly when I stop. The trick is to keep going long enough that the measurements don't go all the way back to original size when the whole routine is finished for good. I don't know whether to even expect to grow anymore. But I'm going to try. If I never grow again I will probably still keep my machine. It keeps them perky. I'll probably be using this in my eighties!
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kieyah's program page January 13 2009, 1:05 AM
Kieyah - who makes/manufactures the collagen supplements you take? I found this stuff called "NeoCell Super Collagen + C Type I and III". Any recommendations?
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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2009, 2:47 AM
The one I take is made by Mason Natural. It has lots of vitamin C in it. I don't really know a whole lot about collaen but vitamin C is supposed to help the body absorb the collagen. So you should take some with it if yours doesn't have it in there already.
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Hey remember me? April 2 2009, 3:21 PM
It's been a year since I posted a note to you! I got so sick of taking all those pills I quit. I did lose 1 inch but I did keep some of the work I had done BUT my husband noticed the difference, asked me if I had lost weight DOH! I had gained 5 pounds. I knew he was talking about my boobs. Well Greenbush has a new enhancement blend, less pills to take and they even have just liquid. Started it 3 days ago and have gained 1/2 inch already! I can already feel the fullness and tingles again. Wow I am happy! How's it going with you?
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Re: kieyah's program page April 3 2009, 8:22 PM
That's awesome! Congrats on the growth girl! Well as usually I've been very bad about not sticking with anything. I am just so busy and I guess lazy too. I may have to check out those new pills or the liquid. I still hate taking pills. Is the liquid gross tasting or how do you take it, do you put it in something? I haven't measured in a long time but I don't think I've lost anything. If so it wouldn't be too much. I really need to lose some weight though. I finally got another BB machine but I'm so lazy to use it. I thought if I can get to using it regular then I'd be ready to lose weight and maybe not lose it up top, kinda the idea after how louise did with brava. but I still don't stick with it. Maybe one of these days things will slow down or I will find something I can stick with. I've been noticing since I stopped BCP that my pms bloating and boob swelling/soreness has returned with a vengence. I never did have my hormones tested. It is so expensive. Let me know how it goes with GB.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 27 2009, 9:23 PM
It has been a long time. I need to make some notes although they are a bit overdue. I have started depo injections. I have lost 10+ pounds and as you can imagine with it went a bit of boobage, especially on top. Any way so I am gonna try to commit to several things to help regain the boobage without regaining the weight. I'm gonna do a bit of massage each night (not a lot) mostly for firmness, drink my gelatin drink at night that I used to take, take 1000mg fennel each night, maybe add collagen, and bb for 20-30min a night. I may throw in magnets for fullness and clevage enhancement at night. So here are my measurements:
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 36"
armpit level: 35"
underbust: 28.5"
I'll check back in every now and then if I can stick with it.
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Re: kieyah's program page June 29 2009, 9:42 PM
Started yaz last week. I don't know what I'm going to do now.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 6 2009, 11:38 PM
I'm starting greenbush fennel. I have ordered MSM since there has been so much talk about that. When it arrives I will be adding it in too. Still haven't decided whether to massage or BB? I am still working on losing just a tiny bit more weight. but anyway for now I am doing this:
2 fennel 2x day (575mg each)
yaz BCP
high protein/low carb diet
exercise 4-5x week (30-60min of walking)
colon clear (I only take one a day)
total body purifier
gonna try massage for a week or two and see how that goes.
I need to find my tape and remeasure. I know I have lost some more volume. So far I have lost a total of 15 lbs. I don't really want to lose any more weight but I still want to lose just a bit more fat in some areas. I'll post my new "before" measurements when I find my tape measure.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2009, 7:21 AM
Kieyah,
Did you pump while taking herbs? How did you find that experience? Do you think that is why you kept your gains? How long in total did you pump for?
Thanks.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:38 AM
sorry it took me so long to get back toyou. I don't usually get on here much. No I ddin't take herbs initially at all. I pumped initially (the first time) for 9 months to a year. I didn't even know about herbs back then. I had heard about brava and had researched into it but it was way to expensive. Kept pondering it and I joined the bosom buddies group on yahoo to see what their honest reviews and results were and heard about the bb machine which is way less expensive and bought one. Evenually I got a pair of brava domes off ebay and tried bb machine using those domes, well that recked the domes but it kept me on that group and one day (after I had already gotten my results with bb) someone on there mentioned using herbs and posted a link to eve's and other boards and I found this place. Anyway, no I did not take herbs of any kind initially and I don't think that made the gains stick. I do think that continuing to use the machine for a longer time than most women use it probably didn't hurt. The herbs I later used helped me to grow even more. So basically I used bb machine until I had maxed out my growth with it, then tried herbs and massage, etc. until I either got bored with one, too excited over a new thing I wanted to try, or felt I had maxed out on growth from that one and then moved on to something else. Many times I did multiple things simultaniously. I also listened to my body a lot. If I felt I wasn't responding or had a bad vibe so to speak, I would drop it. I do think the herbs helped me to grow a great deal. But I don't think they helped with sagging. The bb machine and magnets were the only things that seemed to improve shape, tone, and sagging.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:42 AM
So I think I may wait before starting my program up again. I have been putting it off the whole time because I'm wanting to give the yaz a chance to clear up my hormones and acne before I go messing them up again with fennel. I have been so moody and every little change seems to cause me to start spotting again so I don't want to take a chance messing with this just yet. I also ordered a massager that never arrived and I am too lazy to massage manually
I'm so bad!
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 5:46 AM
Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it.
I decided to go with the Noogleberry because it was cheap and when I went on the forum it had really good reviews and great before and after pictures. This appears to be what I was looking for. I needed something to get them inflated and ROUND again. I wasn't really thinking to use suction devices but I am looking for the same results as you. Right now I am an A Cup/Small B cup and I am hoping to get to a Full D/Full DD, only because that is what my breast grew to while pregnant, I feel at that size I would be very full. I also think it would match my size. I am about 120 lbs and 5'3. I have bigger/muscular thighs though so I think that a D/DD would be a good size, what do you think?
I was wondering if you took used your BB machine while taking herbs? If so, did you notice better results when you did?
Thanks again.
*Would it be better if I emailed you (to the one on here), since I know you dont come on here often.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 17 2009, 3:22 AM
I don't use that email anymore. I will be on here every now and then though. I don't think I ever used bb at the same time as herbs. I don't see why it wouldn't help them to work. But if you have great success you won't know which one did it or if they each played a part. If that doesn't bother you then I'd say go for it. You sound like the same body type as me and that sounds like a good size to complement your curves.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:40 AM
bought some super strength papaya enzyme I'm going to start taking that and 3 fennel a day 575mg each. using bb when I have time and feel like it.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:45 AM
also I am now 30yo
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Re: kieyah's program page July 31 2009, 5:58 PM
I have managed to stick with taking 3 fennel a day and most days papaya enzyme and my boobs are so freaking sore!
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Re: kieyah's program page August 8 2009, 7:51 PM
although I can't find my tape measure I am seeing results! They are so freaking sore though. I find I almost have to massage to make them feel better. I also notice a huge knot behind both nipples. As I recall this happens during puberty, so I guess that is a good sign. Wish I could measure. I have also lost a few more pounds so any increase or just a lack of decrease is a good thing. So what I'm able to stick with is 3 fennel a day pm. I am taking 3 papaya every now and then and massaging almost daily with a handheld massager when they are super sore. I use the bb once in a while but I've been meaning to use it nightly. I don't really know I should be massaging and use bb at the same time so a bit reluctant to stick to either one.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 19 2009, 2:40 AM
I have added in 4g of MSM for about a week now, they are so sore again. I don't usually remember my papaya anymore. still taking 3 fg each night. seem very full but still not tape measure. I figure it is somewhere in my closet that I have yet to organize.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 23 2009, 12:35 AM
wow, so amazingly sore lately. and lobes are enlarged. I can tell they are higher and fuller. wish I could measure!
also sometimes I take 2-3 extra msm a day so 4-7g a day
haven't missed any msm or fennel
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Re: kieyah's program page August 25 2009, 6:36 PM
I am adding tagamet for acne. starting out at 400mg
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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2010, 12:27 AM
So after loosing weight and then stopping MSM for a month and losing the gains from that I started back on MSM and gains are back. I am a 32E again. as an added bonus my eye lashes are ginormously long! Boobs are so way sore so I have been massaging some and using heating pad. Thinking I might add BB back in if I can still fit the domes.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 6 2010, 5:40 AM
Hi Kieyah!
I hope you are doing good. That is great news that you are now a 32E! WOW! I would hope to be that size one day, I was actually wanting a D at first. Then I thought a DD, now I'm thinking a 32E may be great!
Also, congrats on the weight! How much weight did you lose? I bet those E's look even better. But what size were you before? Last time I read you were a DD, what happened?
What is your current routine?
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Re: kieyah's program page January 15 2010, 2:46 AM
I must have typed that wrong. I am a 32DD. I can wear 32E in some bras but as we all know not all brands are sized the same. It's not as big as it sounds. I think I look only like a big C cup but C's definately don't fit me not even close! I was sized 32DD by a professional. I actually fill 34D bras but the band is way too loose around my ribs. I have done so very many things to get to where I am. My body responds quickly but also seems to get used to things very quickly and then they stop working, so I keep changing things up to keep my body guessing and that seems to work well for me.
Currently I take 8grams MSM in two divided doses per day. Once in a while I add other things in for a few days or a week and then stop them to help trigger another growth spurt. Things I add in once in a while are fennel, massage, heating pad, BB machine, now I have some dried chicken feet (can't get fresh here) so I plan to try adding that in for a while soon. The MSM is the only thing I am keeping consistant right now. When my boobs stop being sore for a few days I add something until they are sore again. I also take yaz bcp continuously so that I don't have a period but just when I feel I need one & that probably helps because I don't get temporary cycle/luteal swelling and don't lose everything each month that I do gain.
I had lost 15 pounds but with the MSM I have gained about 5 of those back because MSM makes me hungry all the time. I really was a nice cup size before I lost weight. Trying to lose that last 5 pounds again and yet still get my E cup back. It's like a tug of war!
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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2010, 12:44 AM
Hey Kieyah I was wondering how long has your program taken you to get back to your d cups or what size you are now ^_^
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Have you consided posting pictures? I have had 4 children and have gained hope from your posting. I havent started yet. Any advise on how to get the quickest results..Noticed you rested from certain herbs why Thanks
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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:43 PM
I am now DD or E cup. but I still want to lose a little weight and keep my current boobs.
During my old programs I rested from herbs so that they would continue to have effect. Homeostasis makes our bodies used to things we are regularly exposed to. I get this way with allergy/sinus medication and over the counter pain medications and others. So I assume the herbs are similar effect in my body. After several weeks or months on the same allergy medication my body simply will no longer respond to it or responds less to it so I have to switch to some other allergy medication. Once I feel I am having no more effect or less effect of a certain herb I stop taking that herb for a while.
I have pictures posted on the picture page. I don't have recent pictures because I have not been doing NBE in almost a year now! I can't say for sure which method was fastest. I don't think any of them were particularly fast. I remember feeling the most sore and the most swelling on MSM and that didn't take very long, but it also made me gain some weight. I grew the most using the BB suction device, but that was over a longer period of time. Also the GY's massage technique was very fast but such a burden to do for so long every day and it was temporary results. Wonderup seemed to have opposite effect on me! The BB helped a tremendous amount with growth and sagging. Magnets I feel helped the most with making them perky and toned/firm again (like a teenager perky again).
So I guess they all worked together in different ways to contribute to the boobs I am so happy to own today. I would still like them to be fuller and stand more out from my chest wall but they are very nice shape, no sag whatsoever, and I am thrilled. The only thing that only gave me temporary results was the GY massages. Of course some of the swelling from BB was went away after stop using but most was permanent. My only complaint about my boobs now is that they sit very close together (I have narrow rib cage) so they don't stand up off my chest wall from the sides. So look much smaller from the side but from the front I have great cleavage and they are perfect shape from front! Of course we are all different but hope this helps
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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:52 PM
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New program 12/3/10
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So I am wanting to lose some weight (10-15 lbs) and still maintain my growth I have accomplished. Here is my plan:
Low carb diet. I will start out with 20-40 grams of carbs per day. I have finally found chicken feet so I am going to try chicken feet soup (CFS) for as long as I have access to the feet. Which means I will have to massage daily because the CFS program requires massage before you drink the broth or eat the feet. I will boil them in water into a broth with chicken bullion for flavor and might add other things like chicken pieces, hard boiled eggs and veggies. I probably won't eat the feet lol. I don't know how long I will have access to these so I will stock up for as long as my store offers them.
I also plan to use BB machine again to help maintain my size and take 5-7 grams MSM daily. I have not been able to find my favorite brand of MSM (NOW foods) so I am still on the look out for those. AS far as exercise, I am not trying to lose that much weight and don't want to lose my boobs so I am not going to do cardio or anything like that. I plan to only do some pilates strengthening exercises.
Also I am 32 years old now
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Re: kieyah's program page December 11 2010, 4:07 AM
I have already lost a couple pounds! Yeah I know I"m not looking to lose very much weight but I still want to keep all of my awesome boobage! I have lost a bit of fullness. Not sure how much in terms of inches since I didn't pre-measure. Here is my current measurement though.
@ nipple level: 39.25"
just to make it clear, I am not looking to grow anymore. I am very pleased with my size and shape, tho I wouldn't mind a bit more on the sides. I just want to lose some weight and maintain my hard earned lovely boobies while losing 10-15 lbs.
So the chicken feet soup, not so flavorful or tasty even with added bullion. So I'm working on a way to make that more appetizing. I may just boil it down to concentrate it so that I can just gulp it down. I will work on this over the next week and report back. I didn't mind it too bad mixed with some tomato soup tho I don't like it everyday and I can't seem to do that before bed due to the acid. Also my MSM hasn't come in yet.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 13 2010, 6:02 PM
This time I'm going to cook the feet in broth instead of water. So the broth is already flavorful and yummy and I may not have to add anything else to it. Hopefully the addition of the feet won't make it ichy. We shall see. I'm also going to try boiling it down to condense it if it ends up still being ichy so that I can take it in a quick gulp like medicine instead of having to sip it like soup. I haven't been very good a massaging and stuff (as usual) but I have noticed that when I do, I get some great swelling which is kinda weird. I never heard of simply massaging causing swelling, interesting. I didn't expect that at all. It actually kinda motivates me to want to massage now.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2010, 1:46 PM
adding MSM today as they arrived now
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Re: kieyah's program page March 23 2008, 4:02 PM
Yes, I usually get a lot of aches and tingles especially when I first start something new. Then as I get used to it, not so much just slight aches. But with the single herbs I sometimes would get more aches when I forgot to take them for a few days. I think it has something to do with the fact that I breastfeed 3 little ones so i probably am more sensitive to hormone changes than most women. With WU I experienced a TON of aches when I first started. With magnets I also experienced a lot of aches especially during the beginning. I don't massage so I guess maybe I just don't notice the aches as much as others do who massage. Massage is supposed to be very important, so I'm not saying you don't need it. I'm just very busy and after the grow yours routine I guess I am burned out on massage for a long time now. I also feel that massage produces temporary swelling, which I don't want. I want true growth, not just swelling. But on the other hand it helps with circulation which seems like that would maybe help the herbs go to the right place, kinda like to wake them up (Hey herbs, over here!). And to clear the lymph and junk in there which might help them to function better and the herbs to take effect better.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 2 2008, 1:56 AM
I have been drinking slimfast shakes and have lost some fullness in my boobs. For the past few days i have been noticing some itching on the nipples. Not sure what this is. I have not been using magnets for a long time now. So it can't be that. I'm thinking the loss in fullness is making them rub against inside my bra? This is depressing. I have come so far but I do want to lose a few pounds. Guess I have to save up for another bb machine. and maybe that will stop the loss from coming from there.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 7 2008, 3:51 AM
Well I was right about having lost some fullness. But not as bad as I thought. I am still going to stop drinking slimfast or anything to try to lose weight until I can get me another BB to keep it from coming off from there.
This month's cycle day 5 measurements:
underbust: 29"
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 37"
armpit level: 36.5"
I'm not going to post pics because it doesn't look much different and I didn't gain anything. I can tell some of the fullness above the nipple area is gone but that's all that is noticible. I still fill out my new bras but there is no cleavage coming out the top anymore. I have been on antibiotics for a sinus infection so that probably didn't help either.
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Re: kieyah's program page April 23 2008, 1:23 AM
well been slacking off again but have been feeling aches so maybe what little I have been taking when I do remember is enough, but probably not. I can feel some big swollen lobes though.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:24 AM
@ nipple 37.75" so lost a quarter inch this month
I have ordered a set of XL bb domes and going to use these with a breastmilk pump to similate the BB machine. They should be arriving sometime this week. Once I have used these for a few weeks, I plan to try to lose some weight. Hopefully this will help to prevent the weight from coming off my boobs (modeling this after louise who was able to lose weight and yet gained boobs with brava).
In the meantime, I am going to give magnets another try. Maybe this will help kick start things since WU doesn't seem to be doing much on its own. Also going to try 6 WU a day (up from 4/day). I might even do a little massage. I guess it is normal not to grow every month. But I am so used to it that I feel really down that I'm suddenly not growing anymore. I know this is not my genetic limit because I have already been larger than this even as a teenager. So i'm not giving up. I'm so close to my goal. I also wonder if WU just doesn't affect my body. With single herbs i had horrible acne even on a very low dose of fenugreek. and yet with a much higher dose in WU I don't get acne.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 4:39 AM
also wanted to add that I have done a little (very little) massage and have noticed that one of the broken capillaries is getting a lot smaller. it is barely noticable now. the other one closer to the nipple appears unchanged. i am going to do a little bit of fingertip massage directly to these areas, since i think the little bit of massage i have done so far is what has helped to heal the one.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 6 2008, 9:31 PM
I also forgot to use the pc during my last and first week of cycle this last time around. not sure now much impact that had but needs noting. I haven't taken collagen in a long time since I ran out and can't seem to find more. I am also going to try to drink more water and add more protein to my diet. I haven't been drinking soy or eating much meat lately. I've been drinking a lot of soda lately. I've been so bad. I will give wu on more try and if no significant growth this month I'm gonna switch back to single herbs. I know they say to give it 6 months but I responded quickly to single herbs so I am rather disappointed.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 10 2008, 2:10 AM
BB domes arrived. I will begin using a homemade airlock with these once or twice a day until I can get either a BB or another eventflo pump to use with the BB domes.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:38 AM
ok so after reviewing my program history I find that I had my most rapid growth when I was taking single herbs very low dose only 1000mg daily, often missing this dose and also taking collagen and gelatin at least when i remembered. Think I will add the gelatin back in, order me some more collagen and give that a go to see if maybe I require these in order to grow. If this doesn't make the wu work I will go back to single herbs once this bottle runs out. I really don't understand why wu wouldn't work just like all the other single herbs I was taking. Unless my body just doesn't like extract form of herbs. this would be the first attempt at extract herbs taken internally.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 13 2008, 3:40 AM
oh and I'm already sick of the BB domes with airlock. I have got to save up for the real machine. airlocking sucks!
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Re: kieyah's program page May 15 2008, 2:55 AM
starting to get pimples again. Not sure if this means the WU is starting to work or if it is a bad sign. I definately don't like acne but will continue until they are gone. I will lower my dose to only 2 a day PM.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 21 2008, 12:22 AM
starting collagen again, only 2 WU a day, and melatonin. taking these at night. no massage and not using suction. going to order a real BB soon.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 25 2008, 5:29 AM
Good news I am noticing some slight achiness today. Hopefully things will pick back up again. I have added back in my herbal med because my diaphram is hurting again. It has a few things in it that could possibly be nbe beneficial. So just wanted to note that. So program has been:
1 women's multivitamin
2 Wonder-up per day (extremely low dose but should put me close to when i was taking single herbs)
1 Gelatin drink mix 7 grams (when I remember which isn't very often)
2 Collagen with vit C
2 Pumpkin seed oil 2000mg total (just for a week or so to help with the new pimples I'm getting wiht WU)
1 Benadryl
1 Melatonin
3 tablets herbal blend med:
Raw Spleen Concentrate 30mg total
Milk Thistle 705mg
Red Raspberry Leaves 396mg
Manganese 30mg
Quercetin 300mg
Black Current Oil 192mg
That's it. Still not massaging. I keep thinking I will give that a try again. And I keep thinking i'm going to add magnets in again but I haven't yet. I may not do either since I'm planning to give BB a try again. should be getting my BB machine by the end of this week.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 31 2008, 2:59 AM
Starting BB today. so won't be taking anymore pics until after BB finished, otherwise it would be pic of swelling not true growth. I will continue to measure each month and maybe even each week, to help determine if BB is having effect. Probably have to measure before and after BB session to know how much swelling and how much is maintained. After a few weeks and I am able to maintain some swelling throughout the day, I will begin trying to lose weight. With the idea that losing weight while using BB will keep the weight from coming off my boobs. I will continue with WU and others until WU runs out then will go back to single herbs.
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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2008, 10:00 PM
For the past week I am using once a day for 60 minutes at about 10 o'clock on firm setting. I of course slowly worked up to this, but for the past couple days I have been at that setting. So far I am maintaining about a half cup size swelling from BB that is staying all day. Very nice! It seems the swelling is staying much longer than I remember from the first time I tried this so maybe there is hope for more growth!
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Re: kieyah's program page June 13 2008, 3:50 AM
woops more like 9 o'clock maybe just below that. I don't want to have marks or pain so I plan to just very slowly work my way up. I still don't have silicone sheeting. It is so expensive now. Guess I have to save up for it. I am still maintaining at least half a cup size increase throughout the day until my next session. I can just barely still wear the same size bras. If I swell anymore than this I will have to find some bras to wear during swelling stage. I hope it is ok to continue wearing tight bras. I do suction at night so when I start doing twice a day I will probably have to get new bras. So far no marks. I am going to try to re-dedicate myself to drinking the gelatin mixes again.
I am going to start drinking slimfast shakes and possibly start an exercise routine to try to lose weight. So I don't know if I should even expect any growth at all, or just to maintain what I already have. I have been considering doing some light massaging because they get sore and feel very heavy. I can feel what seems like one really huge lobe inside them both. It reminds be of when I was a teenager except that it is a bit deeper inside. So I hope this is maybe a good sign.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2008, 6:07 AM
After five months on wonderup it is cycle day 5 and 3 days without bb so I measured. I am still at 38.5" @ nipple. So I have had no growth from wu. I am not going to continue with it anymore. I am going to continue for now taking the other suppliments and BB. I may start single herbs again. Haven't decided yet. I am pretty upset having wasted all these months on wu. I really wanted it to work. It was so much easier just to swallow a couple pills a day rather than a handful at a time.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2008, 7:41 PM
This is really weird my last post is gone. anyway I am starting this on date of 7/19/08.
I am adding individual herbs back in, might take another break from bb and trying to get used to wearing magnets for a short period each day. So I never grew on wu and it seems that I should have grown with wu since it is similar. I may have reached my growth limit, or maybe wu just wasn't for me. I guess we shall see what happens. I will repost my doses later.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 4 2008, 7:22 PM
up until now i have been taking 500mg each
fenugreek
fennel
hops
dong quai
licorice
stopping fenugreek due to breakouts again, upping fennel to 1000mg instead.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 5 2008, 7:49 PM
What cup size are you at now? And what was the biggest you have gotten through out the whole time you have been taking the herbs?
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Oh I Forgot! August 6 2008, 11:03 PM
Kieyah, you know what has really helped me with the breakouts that stem from fenugreek? It is a Zinc supplement with at least 15 mg of zonc in each dose, as well as some witch hazel. You will start ti notice the difference.
Also, I would like to say I am encouraged to continue with my NBE plans after seeing your great results. I would just like to know what size did you go up to?
Thanks, again
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:00 PM
Sorry to take so long replying. i don't check this page very often. I am currently a full 34D or 32E. I do overflow the cups a little, sometimes more than others. This IS the biggest i have ever been while taking herbs. I may have reached my nbe limit. But I am going to give individual herbs one more chance and see what happens. starting slow and very low dose so shouldn't really be expecting anything for a few months until I reach the right dose.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 9:40 PM
this month's measurements:
underbust: 28"
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 36.5"
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here is a more complete list of what I have been taking:
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these I take in PM and I never miss a dose:
ortho tri-cyclen
fennel 1000mg
hops 500mg
dong quai 500mg (I am increasing this to 1000mg starting today)
licorice 45mg
hops 500mg
5-HTP 200mg
allergy meds
these I take in AM and often forget:
collagen 1480mg
kelp or spirulina 500mg
other vitamins (vit-C, calcium, l-glutamate)
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Re: kieyah's program page August 10 2008, 10:23 PM
I was just wondering do you have any updated pictures of your "new" size?
Thanks again.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 12 2008, 3:52 AM
My most recent picture on my picture page is what i look like now. I haven't grown anymore in five or so months (since trying wonderup). No loss/no gain, just the same. When/if I start growing again now that I am switching to individual herbs then I will be posting new pics each month again, if I grow anymore.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 22 2008, 4:05 AM
I have been sick for a couple weeks now, and still going. No herbs for more than a week now.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 3:14 AM
I am taking a break from nbe. I occationally still do bb though. I just wanted to add a note so noone thinks i've been sick ALL this time! I won't be checking in as much.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 7 2008, 1:34 PM
Kieyah,
When you say BB, is that bountiful breast?
Have you kept all your growth so far? Did you see a decrease at all when stopping herbs?
I wanted to ask you about your BO experience. Did it make you grow at all? What kinds of things did you experience? What things to do you think worked best to let you grow?
You really had great results and I would love to get results like that.
Thanks
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Re: kieyah's program page November 13 2008, 3:09 AM
You are truly inspiring. To see your before and then after pics, it gives me hope!
I was just wondering how long it took you to get to this size you are now? It says on your program Page you started on Feb. 2006 and continued until? So you have been doing this for approximately 2 years? WOW! That's called determination! I would love to become a Full DD, if it takes 2 years then I will do it, as long as I reach my end goal.
I hope you do come back on here soon!
Oh yah, since stopping have you lost anything?
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Re: kieyah's program page November 19 2008, 10:20 PM
Hi, sorry I haven't been around much. Yes I've been doing this for a LONG time! But it has been worth it. And I'm not even done yet. Anytime I talk about BB I am referring to the bosom beauty machine. That was the very first thing I ever tried and then I found out about herbs and so on.
I have never tried bountiful breast. I did very briefly try the DNE brand BO back when it was actually BO (now it is PO). ANyway it didn't agree with me. It made me very dizzy and I got scared of it. It could have been that the other herbs I was coming off of were still in my system so I may have been overloaded. I have considered trying it again one day but I still get scared when I think about the possible risk of MCD. I wasn't on it long enough for any real growth. I am getting my hormones tested after my next cycle so I expect to find out if my hormones are still out of wack or not. After that I am considering restarting herbs. I'm still doing BB once in a while but not routinely.
On the asking whether I lost anything. When I completely stopped herbs I felt like I had lost some fullness, but when I measured it was always the same. I haven't measured in some time so I will with my next cycle. I also quit BCP but I still get the swelling/puffiness with my cycles that I did on the pill. I don't know what that means but I know I didn't get that for many many years before and I wanted to make note of it. Maybe it's a good thing? or maybe it means my hormones are still messed up. If they are and I can get them fixed maybe that alone will help get me to growing again. Or maybe I've reached my limit if there is one. I am honored to be an inspiration and I do think they are lovely now, but unfortunately they just still don't balance out my figure yet.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 3:26 AM
Thanks so much for replying.
My main problem with NBE is that I never continue. You inspired me because you actually followed through and got really good results. I only wish I could get results like you.
I am a 32A/32 small B and would love to be a full D or even a Double D! I am so self-conscious that it almost prevents me from achieving my NBE goals. If I don't see results right away, I get discouraged and give up. Can you give me any advice on how you continued on your program for so long? I just need to find one thing and stick with it. I never even take anything long enough to see results, I am just too impatient because it really affects my self-esteem. I just want it now, which I know is not going to happen. But for some reason I can't help myself. I DO NOT want implants but some times I wonder what it would be like to finally reach a full D, which could be achieved instantly through getting implants. My main reason for doing NBE is to feel better about myself and they way I look.
Congrats on the growth again and its good to hear you have not lost anything. What do you mean they still don't balance out your figure yet? Too big? Too small? I would love to say that my breasts are lovely and perhaps one day I will. You will continue to be an inspiration to me as I seen you do this so I know it can be done I just need to give it time.
How did you remain determined, focused, persistent, and consistent for 2 years? Please let me know your secret.
Thanks again for responding.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 20 2008, 6:15 AM
Hi Keiyah, I hope you dont mind my posting here, I am one month into my program and haven't seen a real difference yet, but will keep going with it for another month or so to see what happens. If it doesn't work, I would like to try your program, your story sounds just like mine and your starting pic looks almost like mine too, I am hopeful I can get to the smae point you have!! I miss filling out my tops!
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Re: kieyah's program page November 22 2008, 5:01 AM
how did I stick with it? I guess it was because I was so consumed with it all. I spent lots of time on here and on the internet researching. I was constantly finding new ideas to try so when I grew too bored with something I tried something else for a while or just added it to my routine. I also read lots of success stores on here and that helped to keep me going.
I grew sick of routines too and was very eager for quick results. It takes time to learn patience. I like to think that the longer it takes, the more likely it is to be permanent.
They still don't balance out because I have fat chunky thighs. I either need to gain more boobs to balance it out or lose weight and keep my boobs. I'd rather lose weight but that's not happening for me.
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Re: kieyah's program page November 28 2008, 12:14 AM
Ok measurements now are:
@ nipple: 38.5"
above nipple: 37.5"
armpit level: 37"
underbust: 29"
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Re: kieyah's program page December 8 2008, 10:21 PM
I am back to using BB daily and taking collagen, zinc, and starting back on gelatin.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:46 AM
I am going to start keeping a diary of my bb usage.
I have been using most days for 30 minutes once a day @ 9 o'clock with xl domes. they are completely filled widthwise even before I start pumping, and nearly full heightwise even at this low setting and short time. I have no idea what I will do when these are outgrown, which will probably be very soon. I can tape my nips down for a little while, then I guess I will have to stop and move on to something else.
If anyone has any ideas what I can do to adapt the domes to fit bigger? would be great!
I still want about another half cup and then as long as I like the shape of then I will be done.
I have starting setting the domes far apart as possible covering only half way (nips to armpit) to try to grow the outter sides (they are very close-set) for about 10-15 mins each session. I'm considering using magnets again. I can't think of anything else to note for now.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 1:50 AM
My measurements today:
@ nipple: 39.25"
above nipple: 38"
armpit level: 37.5"
underbust: 29"
it's weird because it doesn't look any different to me.
It has been at least three days since I last pumped but it is still important to note that I am using bb again (though not everyday) so some, if not all, of this increase is due to swelling (especially since I am not doing any other form of nbe). I am also starting to exercise and eating less to try to lose weight. I did not continue to take gelatin, zinc, or collagen everyday as I had planned (big surprise). I have found I have really bad allergies which keeps my throat feeling raw, swollen, and sore so that must be why I just hate taking pills so much and tend to gag on them.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 4 2009, 4:49 AM
Do you have any new pics of your new size?
I am amazed at your growth. You really inspire me to go on because I see that NBE is possible it just takes some work.
Thanks for posting your routine and pics.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 11 2009, 9:32 PM
No I haven't taken any new pics. I think it would be kind of dishonest to post new pics yet since I am using the bb pump again. it is likely nothing but swelling at this point. Others might misinterpret it as growth. When I have finished or at least taken a break for several months straight then I would consider what is left to be more permanent growth and will take new pics then. I am only posting my measurements to keep track of to see if they increase, go up and down, or just retain over the duration of my bb routine. I'm sure they will go down slowly when I stop. The trick is to keep going long enough that the measurements don't go all the way back to original size when the whole routine is finished for good. I don't know whether to even expect to grow anymore. But I'm going to try. If I never grow again I will probably still keep my machine. It keeps them perky. I'll probably be using this in my eighties!
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kieyah's program page January 13 2009, 1:05 AM
Kieyah - who makes/manufactures the collagen supplements you take? I found this stuff called "NeoCell Super Collagen + C Type I and III". Any recommendations?
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Re: kieyah's program page January 14 2009, 2:47 AM
The one I take is made by Mason Natural. It has lots of vitamin C in it. I don't really know a whole lot about collaen but vitamin C is supposed to help the body absorb the collagen. So you should take some with it if yours doesn't have it in there already.
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Hey remember me? April 2 2009, 3:21 PM
It's been a year since I posted a note to you! I got so sick of taking all those pills I quit. I did lose 1 inch but I did keep some of the work I had done BUT my husband noticed the difference, asked me if I had lost weight DOH! I had gained 5 pounds. I knew he was talking about my boobs. Well Greenbush has a new enhancement blend, less pills to take and they even have just liquid. Started it 3 days ago and have gained 1/2 inch already! I can already feel the fullness and tingles again. Wow I am happy! How's it going with you?
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Re: kieyah's program page April 3 2009, 8:22 PM
That's awesome! Congrats on the growth girl! Well as usually I've been very bad about not sticking with anything. I am just so busy and I guess lazy too. I may have to check out those new pills or the liquid. I still hate taking pills. Is the liquid gross tasting or how do you take it, do you put it in something? I haven't measured in a long time but I don't think I've lost anything. If so it wouldn't be too much. I really need to lose some weight though. I finally got another BB machine but I'm so lazy to use it. I thought if I can get to using it regular then I'd be ready to lose weight and maybe not lose it up top, kinda the idea after how louise did with brava. but I still don't stick with it. Maybe one of these days things will slow down or I will find something I can stick with. I've been noticing since I stopped BCP that my pms bloating and boob swelling/soreness has returned with a vengence. I never did have my hormones tested. It is so expensive. Let me know how it goes with GB.
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Re: kieyah's program page May 27 2009, 9:23 PM
It has been a long time. I need to make some notes although they are a bit overdue. I have started depo injections. I have lost 10+ pounds and as you can imagine with it went a bit of boobage, especially on top. Any way so I am gonna try to commit to several things to help regain the boobage without regaining the weight. I'm gonna do a bit of massage each night (not a lot) mostly for firmness, drink my gelatin drink at night that I used to take, take 1000mg fennel each night, maybe add collagen, and bb for 20-30min a night. I may throw in magnets for fullness and clevage enhancement at night. So here are my measurements:
@ nipple: 38"
above nipple: 36"
armpit level: 35"
underbust: 28.5"
I'll check back in every now and then if I can stick with it.
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Re: kieyah's program page June 29 2009, 9:42 PM
Started yaz last week. I don't know what I'm going to do now.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 6 2009, 11:38 PM
I'm starting greenbush fennel. I have ordered MSM since there has been so much talk about that. When it arrives I will be adding it in too. Still haven't decided whether to massage or BB? I am still working on losing just a tiny bit more weight. but anyway for now I am doing this:
2 fennel 2x day (575mg each)
yaz BCP
high protein/low carb diet
exercise 4-5x week (30-60min of walking)
colon clear (I only take one a day)
total body purifier
gonna try massage for a week or two and see how that goes.
I need to find my tape and remeasure. I know I have lost some more volume. So far I have lost a total of 15 lbs. I don't really want to lose any more weight but I still want to lose just a bit more fat in some areas. I'll post my new "before" measurements when I find my tape measure.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 7 2009, 7:21 AM
Kieyah,
Did you pump while taking herbs? How did you find that experience? Do you think that is why you kept your gains? How long in total did you pump for?
Thanks.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:38 AM
sorry it took me so long to get back toyou. I don't usually get on here much. No I ddin't take herbs initially at all. I pumped initially (the first time) for 9 months to a year. I didn't even know about herbs back then. I had heard about brava and had researched into it but it was way to expensive. Kept pondering it and I joined the bosom buddies group on yahoo to see what their honest reviews and results were and heard about the bb machine which is way less expensive and bought one. Evenually I got a pair of brava domes off ebay and tried bb machine using those domes, well that recked the domes but it kept me on that group and one day (after I had already gotten my results with bb) someone on there mentioned using herbs and posted a link to eve's and other boards and I found this place. Anyway, no I did not take herbs of any kind initially and I don't think that made the gains stick. I do think that continuing to use the machine for a longer time than most women use it probably didn't hurt. The herbs I later used helped me to grow even more. So basically I used bb machine until I had maxed out my growth with it, then tried herbs and massage, etc. until I either got bored with one, too excited over a new thing I wanted to try, or felt I had maxed out on growth from that one and then moved on to something else. Many times I did multiple things simultaniously. I also listened to my body a lot. If I felt I wasn't responding or had a bad vibe so to speak, I would drop it. I do think the herbs helped me to grow a great deal. But I don't think they helped with sagging. The bb machine and magnets were the only things that seemed to improve shape, tone, and sagging.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 2:42 AM
So I think I may wait before starting my program up again. I have been putting it off the whole time because I'm wanting to give the yaz a chance to clear up my hormones and acne before I go messing them up again with fennel. I have been so moody and every little change seems to cause me to start spotting again so I don't want to take a chance messing with this just yet. I also ordered a massager that never arrived and I am too lazy to massage manually
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Re: kieyah's program page July 14 2009, 5:46 AM
Thanks for your response, I really appreciate it.
I decided to go with the Noogleberry because it was cheap and when I went on the forum it had really good reviews and great before and after pictures. This appears to be what I was looking for. I needed something to get them inflated and ROUND again. I wasn't really thinking to use suction devices but I am looking for the same results as you. Right now I am an A Cup/Small B cup and I am hoping to get to a Full D/Full DD, only because that is what my breast grew to while pregnant, I feel at that size I would be very full. I also think it would match my size. I am about 120 lbs and 5'3. I have bigger/muscular thighs though so I think that a D/DD would be a good size, what do you think?
I was wondering if you took used your BB machine while taking herbs? If so, did you notice better results when you did?
Thanks again.
*Would it be better if I emailed you (to the one on here), since I know you dont come on here often.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 17 2009, 3:22 AM
I don't use that email anymore. I will be on here every now and then though. I don't think I ever used bb at the same time as herbs. I don't see why it wouldn't help them to work. But if you have great success you won't know which one did it or if they each played a part. If that doesn't bother you then I'd say go for it. You sound like the same body type as me and that sounds like a good size to complement your curves.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:40 AM
bought some super strength papaya enzyme I'm going to start taking that and 3 fennel a day 575mg each. using bb when I have time and feel like it.
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Re: kieyah's program page July 21 2009, 2:45 AM
also I am now 30yo
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Re: kieyah's program page July 31 2009, 5:58 PM
I have managed to stick with taking 3 fennel a day and most days papaya enzyme and my boobs are so freaking sore!
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Re: kieyah's program page August 8 2009, 7:51 PM
although I can't find my tape measure I am seeing results! They are so freaking sore though. I find I almost have to massage to make them feel better. I also notice a huge knot behind both nipples. As I recall this happens during puberty, so I guess that is a good sign. Wish I could measure. I have also lost a few more pounds so any increase or just a lack of decrease is a good thing. So what I'm able to stick with is 3 fennel a day pm. I am taking 3 papaya every now and then and massaging almost daily with a handheld massager when they are super sore. I use the bb once in a while but I've been meaning to use it nightly. I don't really know I should be massaging and use bb at the same time so a bit reluctant to stick to either one.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 19 2009, 2:40 AM
I have added in 4g of MSM for about a week now, they are so sore again. I don't usually remember my papaya anymore. still taking 3 fg each night. seem very full but still not tape measure. I figure it is somewhere in my closet that I have yet to organize.
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Re: kieyah's program page August 23 2009, 12:35 AM
wow, so amazingly sore lately. and lobes are enlarged. I can tell they are higher and fuller. wish I could measure!
also sometimes I take 2-3 extra msm a day so 4-7g a day
haven't missed any msm or fennel
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Re: kieyah's program page August 25 2009, 6:36 PM
I am adding tagamet for acne. starting out at 400mg
hope it works
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Re: kieyah's program page January 5 2010, 12:27 AM
So after loosing weight and then stopping MSM for a month and losing the gains from that I started back on MSM and gains are back. I am a 32E again. as an added bonus my eye lashes are ginormously long! Boobs are so way sore so I have been massaging some and using heating pad. Thinking I might add BB back in if I can still fit the domes.
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Re: kieyah's program page January 6 2010, 5:40 AM
Hi Kieyah!
I hope you are doing good. That is great news that you are now a 32E! WOW! I would hope to be that size one day, I was actually wanting a D at first. Then I thought a DD, now I'm thinking a 32E may be great!
Also, congrats on the weight! How much weight did you lose? I bet those E's look even better. But what size were you before? Last time I read you were a DD, what happened?
What is your current routine?
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Re: kieyah's program page January 15 2010, 2:46 AM
I must have typed that wrong. I am a 32DD. I can wear 32E in some bras but as we all know not all brands are sized the same. It's not as big as it sounds. I think I look only like a big C cup but C's definately don't fit me not even close! I was sized 32DD by a professional. I actually fill 34D bras but the band is way too loose around my ribs. I have done so very many things to get to where I am. My body responds quickly but also seems to get used to things very quickly and then they stop working, so I keep changing things up to keep my body guessing and that seems to work well for me.
Currently I take 8grams MSM in two divided doses per day. Once in a while I add other things in for a few days or a week and then stop them to help trigger another growth spurt. Things I add in once in a while are fennel, massage, heating pad, BB machine, now I have some dried chicken feet (can't get fresh here) so I plan to try adding that in for a while soon. The MSM is the only thing I am keeping consistant right now. When my boobs stop being sore for a few days I add something until they are sore again. I also take yaz bcp continuously so that I don't have a period but just when I feel I need one & that probably helps because I don't get temporary cycle/luteal swelling and don't lose everything each month that I do gain.
I had lost 15 pounds but with the MSM I have gained about 5 of those back because MSM makes me hungry all the time. I really was a nice cup size before I lost weight. Trying to lose that last 5 pounds again and yet still get my E cup back. It's like a tug of war!
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Re: kieyah's program page June 7 2010, 12:44 AM
Hey Kieyah I was wondering how long has your program taken you to get back to your d cups or what size you are now ^_^
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pictures October 17 2010, 7:17 AM
Have you consided posting pictures? I have had 4 children and have gained hope from your posting. I havent started yet. Any advise on how to get the quickest results..Noticed you rested from certain herbs why Thanks
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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:43 PM
I am now DD or E cup. but I still want to lose a little weight and keep my current boobs.
During my old programs I rested from herbs so that they would continue to have effect. Homeostasis makes our bodies used to things we are regularly exposed to. I get this way with allergy/sinus medication and over the counter pain medications and others. So I assume the herbs are similar effect in my body. After several weeks or months on the same allergy medication my body simply will no longer respond to it or responds less to it so I have to switch to some other allergy medication. Once I feel I am having no more effect or less effect of a certain herb I stop taking that herb for a while.
I have pictures posted on the picture page. I don't have recent pictures because I have not been doing NBE in almost a year now! I can't say for sure which method was fastest. I don't think any of them were particularly fast. I remember feeling the most sore and the most swelling on MSM and that didn't take very long, but it also made me gain some weight. I grew the most using the BB suction device, but that was over a longer period of time. Also the GY's massage technique was very fast but such a burden to do for so long every day and it was temporary results. Wonderup seemed to have opposite effect on me! The BB helped a tremendous amount with growth and sagging. Magnets I feel helped the most with making them perky and toned/firm again (like a teenager perky again).
So I guess they all worked together in different ways to contribute to the boobs I am so happy to own today. I would still like them to be fuller and stand more out from my chest wall but they are very nice shape, no sag whatsoever, and I am thrilled. The only thing that only gave me temporary results was the GY massages. Of course some of the swelling from BB was went away after stop using but most was permanent. My only complaint about my boobs now is that they sit very close together (I have narrow rib cage) so they don't stand up off my chest wall from the sides. So look much smaller from the side but from the front I have great cleavage and they are perfect shape from front! Of course we are all different but hope this helps
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Re: kieyah's program page December 3 2010, 2:52 PM
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New program 12/3/10
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So I am wanting to lose some weight (10-15 lbs) and still maintain my growth I have accomplished. Here is my plan:
Low carb diet. I will start out with 20-40 grams of carbs per day. I have finally found chicken feet so I am going to try chicken feet soup (CFS) for as long as I have access to the feet. Which means I will have to massage daily because the CFS program requires massage before you drink the broth or eat the feet. I will boil them in water into a broth with chicken bullion for flavor and might add other things like chicken pieces, hard boiled eggs and veggies. I probably won't eat the feet lol. I don't know how long I will have access to these so I will stock up for as long as my store offers them.
I also plan to use BB machine again to help maintain my size and take 5-7 grams MSM daily. I have not been able to find my favorite brand of MSM (NOW foods) so I am still on the look out for those. AS far as exercise, I am not trying to lose that much weight and don't want to lose my boobs so I am not going to do cardio or anything like that. I plan to only do some pilates strengthening exercises.
Also I am 32 years old now
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Re: kieyah's program page December 11 2010, 4:07 AM
I have already lost a couple pounds! Yeah I know I"m not looking to lose very much weight but I still want to keep all of my awesome boobage! I have lost a bit of fullness. Not sure how much in terms of inches since I didn't pre-measure. Here is my current measurement though.
@ nipple level: 39.25"
just to make it clear, I am not looking to grow anymore. I am very pleased with my size and shape, tho I wouldn't mind a bit more on the sides. I just want to lose some weight and maintain my hard earned lovely boobies while losing 10-15 lbs.
So the chicken feet soup, not so flavorful or tasty even with added bullion. So I'm working on a way to make that more appetizing. I may just boil it down to concentrate it so that I can just gulp it down. I will work on this over the next week and report back. I didn't mind it too bad mixed with some tomato soup tho I don't like it everyday and I can't seem to do that before bed due to the acid. Also my MSM hasn't come in yet.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 13 2010, 6:02 PM
This time I'm going to cook the feet in broth instead of water. So the broth is already flavorful and yummy and I may not have to add anything else to it. Hopefully the addition of the feet won't make it ichy. We shall see. I'm also going to try boiling it down to condense it if it ends up still being ichy so that I can take it in a quick gulp like medicine instead of having to sip it like soup. I haven't been very good a massaging and stuff (as usual) but I have noticed that when I do, I get some great swelling which is kinda weird. I never heard of simply massaging causing swelling, interesting. I didn't expect that at all. It actually kinda motivates me to want to massage now.
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Re: kieyah's program page December 17 2010, 1:46 PM
adding MSM today as they arrived now
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